RE: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??
Hold your Horses there Sir Patrick! There was one comment that used that in their post - I don't think that we as an industry have evolved to that level of degradation in dealing with the laws of the land air. There will always be renegades in every avenue of life, but we are not in that classification :-) and given a little time we will be someone to be reckoned with as the industry leader in wireless across this country. I must admit that I have learned a few things in the past week - or had some things clarified that were quite an awakening for me and a few others. I (for one) will not deploy even one more piece of hardware that is not FCC certified. I have in the last year deployed many unlicensed access points back haul radios though. I made a terrible mistake in doing that, but I was under a false impression of what was legal. The path we will follow from this point on is what is really going to count. I do happen to know of two manufacturers who have gear at FCC certification labs today undergoing their certifications for some specific pieces of their gear. This is something that should have taken place a couple years ago, but now is better than never. I realize that is not going to affect the gear I have in the air today from these guys as it can not be certified - ever - even if they happen to get the exact gear certified that I have on towers today. I think this last visit WISPA members (Thanks men) made to the FCC clarified several things that needed clarification: 1. FILLOUT THOSE FORMS! The FCC is not out to get us. They need the data that only we can supply them - like who we are, where we are (zip code), how many subs...Etc This is their way of helping us. With out this data they can only guess how many we are, how many we serve and the actual coverage area total. Guys - y'all please fill out the form 477 - - it's a good thing for us all. 2. WE ARE NOT LEGAL EVEN IF WE ARE NOT OVER POWERED OR OUT OF BAND. I am not going into any details here because that is stated just as simple as it can get. Sincerely, Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not?? Sticker conscious? So this is what we've become as an industry? Following the very clear laws, which were once again just reiterated to us after another in a long chain of WISP visits, or not has now been reduced to simply being sticker conscious or not sticker conscious? Why not go further and call yourself Illegal and proud or just I don't give a ? Let's not have any more gee, I can't afford to be legal! That's not an argument that is credible today, with the range from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub-$300 -- that's cheap. My God, 5.4 is going to be a massive mess. OET will have to install a special phone line just to handle the incoming DoD complaint calls. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 5.8G cpe suggestions? RB112+CM9+Rootenna if you are not sticker conscious. If you are sticker conscious I use the Tranzeo TR5a-24/20 with MT/CM9 setups and they work great. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless rabbtux rabbtux wrote: Not to stir the fcc sticker debate, but what gear is out there today that is compatable with a MT/SR5 access point? Looking for lower cost CPEs for 1-5 mile deployments. Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses
Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??
I try to keep a low profile around here, you listen twice and speak once. Wispa membership has been a good experience for me. However, Patrick has once again, been the HIGH MiGHTY, and jumped all over my one phrase. I did not mean to imply anything illegal about my in tensions, other than I might re-use/re-deploy existing equipment. What I do know now, is that Alvaron is off my shopping list for a long time now, due to their over zealous employee. I also know that more of my posts will go to the members-only list to avoid this nonsense. On 2/18/07, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hold your Horses there Sir Patrick! There was one comment that used that in their post - I don't think that we as an industry have evolved to that level of degradation in dealing with the laws of the land air. There will always be renegades in every avenue of life, but we are not in that classification :-) and given a little time we will be someone to be reckoned with as the industry leader in wireless across this country. I must admit that I have learned a few things in the past week - or had some things clarified that were quite an awakening for me and a few others. I (for one) will not deploy even one more piece of hardware that is not FCC certified. I have in the last year deployed many unlicensed access points back haul radios though. I made a terrible mistake in doing that, but I was under a false impression of what was legal. The path we will follow from this point on is what is really going to count. I do happen to know of two manufacturers who have gear at FCC certification labs today undergoing their certifications for some specific pieces of their gear. This is something that should have taken place a couple years ago, but now is better than never. I realize that is not going to affect the gear I have in the air today from these guys as it can not be certified - ever - even if they happen to get the exact gear certified that I have on towers today. I think this last visit WISPA members (Thanks men) made to the FCC clarified several things that needed clarification: 1. FILLOUT THOSE FORMS! The FCC is not out to get us. They need the data that only we can supply them - like who we are, where we are (zip code), how many subs...Etc This is their way of helping us. With out this data they can only guess how many we are, how many we serve and the actual coverage area total. Guys - y'all please fill out the form 477 - - it's a good thing for us all. 2. WE ARE NOT LEGAL EVEN IF WE ARE NOT OVER POWERED OR OUT OF BAND. I am not going into any details here because that is stated just as simple as it can get. Sincerely, Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not?? Sticker conscious? So this is what we've become as an industry? Following the very clear laws, which were once again just reiterated to us after another in a long chain of WISP visits, or not has now been reduced to simply being sticker conscious or not sticker conscious? Why not go further and call yourself Illegal and proud or just I don't give a ? Let's not have any more gee, I can't afford to be legal! That's not an argument that is credible today, with the range from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub-$300 -- that's cheap. My God, 5.4 is going to be a massive mess. OET will have to install a special phone line just to handle the incoming DoD complaint calls. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 5.8G cpe suggestions? RB112+CM9+Rootenna if you are not sticker conscious. If you are sticker conscious I use the Tranzeo TR5a-24/20 with MT/CM9 setups and they work great. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless rabbtux rabbtux wrote: Not to stir the fcc sticker debate, but what gear is out there today that is compatable with a MT/SR5 access point? Looking for lower cost CPEs for 1-5 mile deployments. Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190
Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??
rabbtux rabbtux wrote: I try to keep a low profile around here, you listen twice and speak once. Wispa membership has been a good experience for me. However, Patrick has once again, been the HIGH MiGHTY, and jumped all over my one phrase. I did not mean to imply anything illegal about my in tensions, other than I might re-use/re-deploy existing equipment. What I do know now, is that Alvaron is off my shopping list for a long time now, due to their over zealous employee. I also know that more of my posts will go to the members-only list to avoid this nonsense. Ditto for me, the guy just can't control himself. Gosh, it's like he's manic that just goes on and on and on and on -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??
Oh, let me add one thing though, the members only list is free of vendors pitching their wares or bragging about their past or trying to influence through propaganda.. Of course it's only open to paying WISPA members. But it is fairly private. George Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??
Patrick, Please just pick up the phone and contact the FCC yourself. Apply for the job, get a shiny badge and go out on the range to take down all of the Illegal wisps you see out there. Every other email from you on this list (even when the thread starts with someone asking for advice) ends with an email from Patrick talking about OMG WTFBBQ!one!!!eleven111!! that is illegal! Honestly, you are starting to sound like my nutty neighbor that measures the distance from my bumper to the stop sign every time I park. If you are going to be all ranty about this stuff, you may want to remove your employer's domain name from your sig line. At this point I would be hesitant to use a vendor that shouted OMG YOU ARE ILLEGAL all the time. ryan On Feb 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM, rabbtux rabbtux wrote: I try to keep a low profile around here, you listen twice and speak once. Wispa membership has been a good experience for me. However, Patrick has once again, been the HIGH MiGHTY, and jumped all over my one phrase. I did not mean to imply anything illegal about my in tensions, other than I might re-use/re-deploy existing equipment. What I do know now, is that Alvaron is off my shopping list for a long time now, due to their over zealous employee. I also know that more of my posts will go to the members-only list to avoid this nonsense. On 2/18/07, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hold your Horses there Sir Patrick! There was one comment that used that in their post - I don't think that we as an industry have evolved to that level of degradation in dealing with the laws of the land air. There will always be renegades in every avenue of life, but we are not in that classification :-) and given a little time we will be someone to be reckoned with as the industry leader in wireless across this country. I must admit that I have learned a few things in the past week - or had some things clarified that were quite an awakening for me and a few others. I (for one) will not deploy even one more piece of hardware that is not FCC certified. I have in the last year deployed many unlicensed access points back haul radios though. I made a terrible mistake in doing that, but I was under a false impression of what was legal. The path we will follow from this point on is what is really going to count. I do happen to know of two manufacturers who have gear at FCC certification labs today undergoing their certifications for some specific pieces of their gear. This is something that should have taken place a couple years ago, but now is better than never. I realize that is not going to affect the gear I have in the air today from these guys as it can not be certified - ever - even if they happen to get the exact gear certified that I have on towers today. I think this last visit WISPA members (Thanks men) made to the FCC clarified several things that needed clarification: 1. FILLOUT THOSE FORMS! The FCC is not out to get us. They need the data that only we can supply them - like who we are, where we are (zip code), how many subs...Etc This is their way of helping us. With out this data they can only guess how many we are, how many we serve and the actual coverage area total. Guys - y'all please fill out the form 477 - - it's a good thing for us all. 2. WE ARE NOT LEGAL EVEN IF WE ARE NOT OVER POWERED OR OUT OF BAND. I am not going into any details here because that is stated just as simple as it can get. Sincerely, Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not?? Sticker conscious? So this is what we've become as an industry? Following the very clear laws, which were once again just reiterated to us after another in a long chain of WISP visits, or not has now been reduced to simply being sticker conscious or not sticker conscious? Why not go further and call yourself Illegal and proud or just I don't give a ? Let's not have any more gee, I can't afford to be legal! That's not an argument that is credible today, with the range from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub- $300 -- that's cheap. My God, 5.4 is going to be a massive mess. OET will have to install a special phone line just to handle the incoming DoD complaint calls. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 5.8G cpe suggestions? RB112+CM9+Rootenna if you are not sticker conscious. If you are sticker conscious
Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??
Your competitors thank you for ignoring some of the best gear on the market. I'm not an Alvarion proponent, or apologist. There's lots of other good gear on the market that's the equal of Alvarion. But in no other segment of the telecommunications industry are BASIC, FUNDAMENTAL, CRITICAL decisions that go straight to the fundamental success of a WISP's business as their choice of gear are decided by one person's emotions, as they are in the WISP industry. Sheesh... That Patrick IS speaking fundamental truths that you don't want to hear because they're inconvenient or simply irritating... and you're deciding that you're not going to buy Alvarion gear because of that??? Like I said, your competitors thank you for making bad business choices so that they won't have to compete with you much longer. Thanks, Steve On Feb 18, 2007, at Feb 18 11:36 AM, rabbtux rabbtux wrote: I try to keep a low profile around here, you listen twice and speak once. Wispa membership has been a good experience for me. However, Patrick has once again, been the HIGH MiGHTY, and jumped all over my one phrase. I did not mean to imply anything illegal about my in tensions, other than I might re-use/re-deploy existing equipment. What I do know now, is that Alvaron is off my shopping list for a long time now, due to their over zealous employee. I also know that more of my posts will go to the members-only list to avoid this nonsense. --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Writing about BWIA again! - http://www.bwianews.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Following the FCC rules are now simply about being stickerconscious or not??
Steve, problem is not in Patricks message, for sure they are real and we should be thankful that he wants to help. Issue as I see it is, he dominates the list more than some care to read as a vendor. If he toned it down some, he would be doing himself justice. Also, Although Alvarion is a good product, so ain't Trango, Moto, and the others. I doubt the competitors are happy he is not using Alvarion. I bet they would not be very happy to hear he was using Moto and not being co-operative. George Steve Stroh wrote: Your competitors thank you for ignoring some of the best gear on the market. I'm not an Alvarion proponent, or apologist. There's lots of other good gear on the market that's the equal of Alvarion. But in no other segment of the telecommunications industry are BASIC, FUNDAMENTAL, CRITICAL decisions that go straight to the fundamental success of a WISP's business as their choice of gear are decided by one person's emotions, as they are in the WISP industry. Sheesh... That Patrick IS speaking fundamental truths that you don't want to hear because they're inconvenient or simply irritating... and you're deciding that you're not going to buy Alvarion gear because of that??? Like I said, your competitors thank you for making bad business choices so that they won't have to compete with you much longer. Thanks, Steve On Feb 18, 2007, at Feb 18 11:36 AM, rabbtux rabbtux wrote: I try to keep a low profile around here, you listen twice and speak once. Wispa membership has been a good experience for me. However, Patrick has once again, been the HIGH MiGHTY, and jumped all over my one phrase. I did not mean to imply anything illegal about my in tensions, other than I might re-use/re-deploy existing equipment. What I do know now, is that Alvaron is off my shopping list for a long time now, due to their over zealous employee. I also know that more of my posts will go to the members-only list to avoid this nonsense. --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Writing about BWIA again! - http://www.bwianews.com -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
