Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different bandwidth profiles with Canopy. I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing reduction to keep things clean? Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently experience when their new sync capable gear comes out? Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing devices affects their performance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
Yes, with wifi based radio systems you can see less throughput with sync than without. With Canopy the DL% is fixed regardless if the AP is getting the sync pulse from GPS or generating it itself. i.e. if you set the DL% to 75% it's fixed regardless if the bandwidth is being used or not. With .11 radios the DL% is dynamic and will adjust according to demand (which is why they are NOT in sync with other .11 radios). When you sync them, the DL is no longer dynamic. So if you had a .11-based BH that has 90% downlink traffic and force it to sync the DL% may only be 50% which would look like half. Does that help? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:31 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different bandwidth profiles with Canopy. I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing reduction to keep things clean? Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently experience when their new sync capable gear comes out? Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing devices affects their performance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 Error! Filename not specified. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3370 - Release Date: 01/09/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
Ubiquiti's next software release is supposed to have dynamic ratios with sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:25 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Yes, with wifi based radio systems you can see less throughput with sync than without. With Canopy the DL% is fixed regardless if the AP is getting the sync pulse from GPS or generating it itself. i.e. if you set the DL% to 75% it's fixed regardless if the bandwidth is being used or not. With .11 radios the DL% is dynamic and will adjust according to demand (which is why they are NOT in sync with other .11 radios). When you sync them, the DL is no longer dynamic. So if you had a .11-based BH that has 90% downlink traffic and force it to sync the DL% may only be 50% which would look like half. Does that help? - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeromie Reeves *Sent:* Monday, January 10, 2011 7:31 AM *To:* sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different bandwidth profiles with Canopy. I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing reduction to keep things clean? Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently experience when their new sync capable gear comes out? Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing devices affects their performance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *Error! Filename not specified.* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3370 - Release Date: 01/09/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
Right, allows sync between GROUPS. GROUPS can be as large as you want as long as the MASTER can be reached via Layer2 in less than 30ms. If you have two GROUPS (for example two tower sites) that can hear each other but can't be reached via Layer2 or latency goes above 30ms between them, then the MASTERS at both towers will need to have fixed DL% UBNT's GPS implementation is a little different than we are used to, but I like that they did away with the CMM concept. I am not sure I like the ide of depending on one radio for MASTER sync information. I would like to see some code that allows for failover. Something like: - APRadio1 is MASTER/MASTER - APRadio2 is SLAVE/MASTER The rest of the SLAVES in the group look at APRadio11 for sync info and if it's not there look at APRadioMAC2 - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Ubiquiti's next software release is supposed to have dynamic ratios with sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:25 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Yes, with wifi based radio systems you can see less throughput with sync than without. With Canopy the DL% is fixed regardless if the AP is getting the sync pulse from GPS or generating it itself. i.e. if you set the DL% to 75% it's fixed regardless if the bandwidth is being used or not. With .11 radios the DL% is dynamic and will adjust according to demand (which is why they are NOT in sync with other .11 radios). When you sync them, the DL is no longer dynamic. So if you had a .11-based BH that has 90% downlink traffic and force it to sync the DL% may only be 50% which would look like half. Does that help? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:31 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different bandwidth profiles with Canopy. I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing reduction to keep things clean? Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently experience when their new sync capable gear comes out? Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing devices affects their performance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 Error! Filename not specified. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3370 - Release Date: 01/09/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
Am I right in guessing that higher latency will only cause some interference issues, nothing catastrophic? On Jan 10, 2011 11:54 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Right, allows sync between GROUPS. GROUPS can be as large as you want as long as the MASTER can be reached via Layer2 in less than 30ms. If you have two GROUPS (for example two tower sites) that can hear each other but can't be reached via Layer2 or latency goes above 30ms between them, then the MASTERS at both towers will need to have fixed DL% UBNT's GPS implementation is a little different than we are used to, but I like that they did away with the CMM concept. I am not sure I like the ide of depending on one radio for MASTER sync information. I would like to see some code that allows for failover. Something like: - APRadio1 is MASTER/MASTER - APRadio2 is SLAVE/MASTER The rest of the SLAVES in the group look at APRadio11 for sync info and if it's not there look at APRadioMAC2 - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Ubiquiti's next software release is supposed to have dynamic ratios with sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:25 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Yes, with wifi based radio systems you can see less throughput with sync than without. With Canopy the DL% is fixed regardless if the AP is getting the sync pulse from GPS or generating it itself. i.e. if you set the DL% to 75% it's fixed regardless if the bandwidth is being used or not. With .11 radios the DL% is dynamic and will adjust according to demand (which is why they are NOT in sync with other .11 radios). When you sync them, the DL is no longer dynamic. So if you had a .11-based BH that has 90% downlink traffic and force it to sync the DL% may only be 50% which would look like half. Does that help? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:31 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different bandwidth profiles with Canopy. I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing reduction to keep things clean? Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently experience when their new sync capable gear comes out? Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing devices affects their performance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 Error! Filename not specified. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3370 - Release Date: 01/09/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
I think it just falls to unsync'd - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:59 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Am I right in guessing that higher latency will only cause some interference issues, nothing catastrophic? On Jan 10, 2011 11:54 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.commailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Right, allows sync between GROUPS. GROUPS can be as large as you want as long as the MASTER can be reached via Layer2 in less than 30ms. If you have two GROUPS (for example two tower sites) that can hear each other but can't be reached via Layer2 or latency goes above 30ms between them, then the MASTERS at both towers will need to have fixed DL% UBNT's GPS implementation is a little different than we are used to, but I like that they did away with the CMM concept. I am not sure I like the ide of depending on one radio for MASTER sync information. I would like to see some code that allows for failover. Something like: - APRadio1 is MASTER/MASTER - APRadio2 is SLAVE/MASTER The rest of the SLAVES in the group look at APRadio11 for sync info and if it's not there look at APRadioMAC2 - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Ubiquiti's next software release is supposed to have dynamic ratios with sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:25 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Yes, with wifi based radio systems you can see less throughput with sync than without. With Canopy the DL% is fixed regardless if the AP is getting the sync pulse from GPS or generating it itself. i.e. if you set the DL% to 75% it's fixed regardless if the bandwidth is being used or not. With .11 radios the DL% is dynamic and will adjust according to demand (which is why they are NOT in sync with other .11 radios). When you sync them, the DL is no longer dynamic. So if you had a .11-based BH that has 90% downlink traffic and force it to sync the DL% may only be 50% which would look like half. Does that help? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:31 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different bandwidth profiles with Canopy. I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.commailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing reduction to keep things clean? Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently experience when their new sync capable gear comes out? Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing devices affects their performance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 Error! Filename not specified. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
It's UDP now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:54 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Right, allows sync between GROUPS. GROUPS can be as large as you want as long as the MASTER can be reached via Layer2 in less than 30ms. If you have two GROUPS (for example two tower sites) that can hear each other but can't be reached via Layer2 or latency goes above 30ms between them, then the MASTERS at both towers will need to have fixed DL% UBNT's GPS implementation is a little different than we are used to, but I like that they did away with the CMM concept. I am not sure I like the ide of depending on one radio for MASTER sync information. I would like to see some code that allows for failover. Something like: - APRadio1 is MASTER/MASTER - APRadio2 is SLAVE/MASTER The rest of the SLAVES in the group look at APRadio11 for sync info and if it's not there look at APRadioMAC2 - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Monday, January 10, 2011 9:40 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Ubiquiti's next software release is supposed to have dynamic ratios with sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:25 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Yes, with wifi based radio systems you can see less throughput with sync than without. With Canopy the DL% is fixed regardless if the AP is getting the sync pulse from GPS or generating it itself. i.e. if you set the DL% to 75% it's fixed regardless if the bandwidth is being used or not. With .11 radios the DL% is dynamic and will adjust according to demand (which is why they are NOT in sync with other .11 radios). When you sync them, the DL is no longer dynamic. So if you had a .11-based BH that has 90% downlink traffic and force it to sync the DL% may only be 50% which would look like half. Does that help? - Jerry *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeromie Reeves *Sent:* Monday, January 10, 2011 7:31 AM *To:* sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different bandwidth profiles with Canopy. I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing reduction to keep things clean? Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently experience when their new sync capable gear comes out? Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing devices affects their performance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *Error! Filename not specified.* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3370 - Release Date: 01/09/11 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:wireless
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
Yes, it is layer3/udp, but it is in flux. They are implementing backup masters as well. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:16:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question It's UDP now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:54 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Right, allows sync between GROUPS. GROUPS can be as large as you want as long as the MASTER can be reached via Layer2 in less than 30ms. If you have two GROUPS (for example two tower sites) that can hear each other but can't be reached via Layer2 or latency goes above 30ms between them, then the MASTERS at both towers will need to have fixed DL% UBNT's GPS implementation is a little different than we are used to, but I like that they did away with the CMM concept. I am not sure I like the ide of depending on one radio for MASTER sync information. I would like to see some code that allows for failover. Something like: - APRadio1 is MASTER/MASTER - APRadio2 is SLAVE/MASTER The rest of the SLAVES in the group look at APRadio11 for sync info and if it's not there look at APRadioMAC2 - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Ubiquiti's next software release is supposed to have dynamic ratios with sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:25 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Yes, with wifi based radio systems you can see less throughput with sync than without. With Canopy the DL% is fixed regardless if the AP is getting the sync pulse from GPS or generating it itself. i.e. if you set the DL% to 75% it's fixed regardless if the bandwidth is being used or not. With .11 radios the DL% is dynamic and will adjust according to demand (which is why they are NOT in sync with other .11 radios). When you sync them, the DL is no longer dynamic. So if you had a .11-based BH that has 90% downlink traffic and force it to sync the DL% may only be 50% which would look like half. Does that help? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:31 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different bandwidth profiles with Canopy. I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing reduction to keep things clean? Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently experience when their new sync capable gear comes out? Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing devices affects their performance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 Error! Filename not specified. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3370 - Release Date: 01/09/11 WISPA Wants You
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
Its safe to assume that the newer firmware with sync with UBNT will only work with the newer gen hardware with the gps support right. Is there any functionality that works like the radwin radios where the two local units speak sync between them without GPS? Even having the ability to sync two radios back to back to reuse spectrum would be really nice. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: m...@tc3net.com Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Yes, it is layer3/udp, but it is in flux. They are implementing backup masters as well. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:16:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question It's UDP now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:54 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Right, allows sync between GROUPS. GROUPS can be as large as you want as long as the MASTER can be reached via Layer2 in less than 30ms. If you have two GROUPS (for example two tower sites) that can hear each other but can't be reached via Layer2 or latency goes above 30ms between them, then the MASTERS at both towers will need to have fixed DL% UBNT's GPS implementation is a little different than we are used to, but I like that they did away with the CMM concept. I am not sure I like the ide of depending on one radio for MASTER sync information. I would like to see some code that allows for failover. Something like: - APRadio1 is MASTER/MASTER - APRadio2 is SLAVE/MASTER The rest of the SLAVES in the group look at APRadio11 for sync info and if it's not there look at APRadioMAC2 - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Ubiquiti's next software release is supposed to have dynamic ratios with sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:25 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Yes, with wifi based radio systems you can see less throughput with sync than without. With Canopy the DL% is fixed regardless if the AP is getting the sync pulse from GPS or generating it itself. i.e. if you set the DL% to 75% it's fixed regardless if the bandwidth is being used or not. With .11 radios the DL% is dynamic and will adjust according to demand (which is why they are NOT in sync with other .11 radios). When you sync them, the DL is no longer dynamic. So if you had a .11-based BH that has 90% downlink traffic and force it to sync the DL% may only be 50% which would look like half. Does that help? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:31 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different bandwidth profiles with Canopy. I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing reduction to keep things clean? Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently experience when their new sync capable gear comes out? Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing devices affects their performance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 Error! Filename not specified
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
No. Every AP has a GPS antenna and the hardware to support sync. The timing itself is not transported over layer 3, only information regarding DL% and ACK. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 4:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Its safe to assume that the newer firmware with sync with UBNT will only work with the newer gen hardware with the gps support right. Is there any functionality that works like the radwin radios where the two local units speak sync between them without GPS? Even having the ability to sync two radios back to back to reuse spectrum would be really nice. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 [http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg] From: m...@tc3net.com Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Yes, it is layer3/udp, but it is in flux. They are implementing backup masters as well. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:16:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question It's UDP now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:54 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Right, allows sync between GROUPS. GROUPS can be as large as you want as long as the MASTER can be reached via Layer2 in less than 30ms. If you have two GROUPS (for example two tower sites) that can hear each other but can't be reached via Layer2 or latency goes above 30ms between them, then the MASTERS at both towers will need to have fixed DL% UBNT's GPS implementation is a little different than we are used to, but I like that they did away with the CMM concept. I am not sure I like the ide of depending on one radio for MASTER sync information. I would like to see some code that allows for failover. Something like: - APRadio1 is MASTER/MASTER - APRadio2 is SLAVE/MASTER The rest of the SLAVES in the group look at APRadio11 for sync info and if it's not there look at APRadioMAC2 - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Ubiquiti's next software release is supposed to have dynamic ratios with sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:25 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Yes, with wifi based radio systems you can see less throughput with sync than without. With Canopy the DL% is fixed regardless if the AP is getting the sync pulse from GPS or generating it itself. i.e. if you set the DL% to 75% it's fixed regardless if the bandwidth is being used or not. With .11 radios the DL% is dynamic and will adjust according to demand (which is why they are NOT in sync with other .11 radios). When you sync them, the DL is no longer dynamic. So if you had a .11-based BH that has 90% downlink traffic and force it to sync the DL% may only be 50% which would look like half. Does that help? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:31 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different bandwidth profiles with Canopy. I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
I should mention that you can use your non-GPS radios as stations. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:04 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question No. Every AP has a GPS antenna and the hardware to support sync. The timing itself is not transported over layer 3, only information regarding DL% and ACK. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 4:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Its safe to assume that the newer firmware with sync with UBNT will only work with the newer gen hardware with the gps support right. Is there any functionality that works like the radwin radios where the two local units speak sync between them without GPS? Even having the ability to sync two radios back to back to reuse spectrum would be really nice. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 [http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg] From: m...@tc3net.com Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Yes, it is layer3/udp, but it is in flux. They are implementing backup masters as well. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:16:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question It's UDP now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:54 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Right, allows sync between GROUPS. GROUPS can be as large as you want as long as the MASTER can be reached via Layer2 in less than 30ms. If you have two GROUPS (for example two tower sites) that can hear each other but can't be reached via Layer2 or latency goes above 30ms between them, then the MASTERS at both towers will need to have fixed DL% UBNT's GPS implementation is a little different than we are used to, but I like that they did away with the CMM concept. I am not sure I like the ide of depending on one radio for MASTER sync information. I would like to see some code that allows for failover. Something like: - APRadio1 is MASTER/MASTER - APRadio2 is SLAVE/MASTER The rest of the SLAVES in the group look at APRadio11 for sync info and if it's not there look at APRadioMAC2 - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Ubiquiti's next software release is supposed to have dynamic ratios with sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:25 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Yes, with wifi based radio systems you can see less throughput with sync than without. With Canopy the DL% is fixed regardless if the AP is getting the sync pulse from GPS or generating it itself. i.e. if you set the DL% to 75% it's fixed regardless if the bandwidth is being used or not. With .11 radios the DL% is dynamic and will adjust according to demand (which is why they are NOT in sync with other .11 radios). When you sync them, the DL is no longer dynamic. So if you had a .11-based BH that has 90% downlink traffic and force it to sync the DL% may only be 50% which would look like half. Does that help? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:31 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different bandwidth profiles with Canopy. I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
Only matters with the AP in termd of tx. On Jan 10, 2011 6:06 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: I should mention that you can use your non-GPS radios as stations. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:04 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question No. Every AP has a GPS antenna and the hardware to support sync. The timing itself is not transported over layer 3, only information regarding DL% and ACK. - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 4:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Its safe to assume that the newer firmware with sync with UBNT will only work with the newer gen hardware with the gps support right. Is there any functionality that works like the radwin radios where the two local units speak sync between them without GPS? Even having the ability to sync two radios back to back to reuse spectrum would be really nice. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 [http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg] From: m...@tc3net.com Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Yes, it is layer3/udp, but it is in flux. They are implementing backup masters as well. Regards Michael Baird - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:16:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question It's UDP now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:54 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Right, allows sync between GROUPS. GROUPS can be as large as you want as long as the MASTER can be reached via Layer2 in less than 30ms. If you have two GROUPS (for example two tower sites) that can hear each other but can't be reached via Layer2 or latency goes above 30ms between them, then the MASTERS at both towers will need to have fixed DL% UBNT's GPS implementation is a little different than we are used to, but I like that they did away with the CMM concept. I am not sure I like the ide of depending on one radio for MASTER sync information. I would like to see some code that allows for failover. Something like: - APRadio1 is MASTER/MASTER - APRadio2 is SLAVE/MASTER The rest of the SLAVES in the group look at APRadio11 for sync info and if it's not there look at APRadioMAC2 - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question Ubiquiti's next software release is supposed to have dynamic ratios with sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 1/10/2011 11:25 AM, Jerry Richardson wrote: Yes, with wifi based radio systems you can see less throughput with sync than without. With Canopy the DL% is fixed regardless if the AP is getting the sync pulse from GPS or generating it itself. i.e. if you set the DL% to 75% it's fixed regardless if the bandwidth is being used or not. With .11 radios the DL% is dynamic and will adjust according to demand (which is why they are NOT in sync with other .11 radios). When you sync them, the DL is no longer dynamic. So if you had a .11-based BH that has 90% downlink traffic and force it to sync the DL% may only be 50% which would look like half. Does that help? - Jerry From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:31 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question I do not know how the Radwin Sync works. With Canopy, you do not lose bandwidth unless you do not have the timing the same. You can adjust settings in such a way as to not step on yourself and still have different bandwidth profiles with Canopy. I do not see why sync would lose any bandwidth, unless it is cause now you only have X Transit tie and Y receive tie instead of X+%Y. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between
[WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing reduction to keep things clean? Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently experience when their new sync capable gear comes out? Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing devices affects their performance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
The alvarion gear I used with their gps card did not affect bandwidth. Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 9, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing reduction to keep things clean? Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently experience when their new sync capable gear comes out? Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing devices affects their performance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS Sync / or Sync between devices at site without GPS Question
Well on the same frequency I could see. On Jan 9, 2011 5:13 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: The alvarion gear I used with their gps card did not affect bandwidth. Sent from my iPhone4 On Jan 9, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: For the first time I synchronized multiple devices (two backhauls) at a tower site to see what it was all about. All of our gear in the past did not have the capability to sync across devices to save spectrum and/or reduce interference between local devices. In this case I used two Radwin 2000C backhauls with a sync cable between them. Setting up the sync between them was easy however the first thing I noticed was that the available bandwidth was cut in half. Is this typical of all synced units? I guess there would be no more reduction in speed after the first two radios synced because if there were more they would all fire at the same time any way. Did I loose bandwidth because they were in MIMO mode rather than Diversity mode or is the slowdown just a function of the timing reduction to keep things clean? Is the UBNT GPS sync gear going to provide less throughput than I currently experience when their new sync capable gear comes out? Thanks, just trying to get some feedback to learn more about how Syncing devices affects their performance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] GPS synced systems
Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
GPS :-) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Any Wimax based Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Pretty sure redline does also. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
I can confirm Redline can use GPS. Jeremie Chism wrote: Pretty sure redline does also. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS. RedConnec AN-80i don't. Is the 3.65 solution based on RedMAX or AN-80 ? Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Tranzeo just announced GPS for their 5.8 Wimax. On 6/14/2010 10:44 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS. RedConnec AN-80i don't. Is the 3.65 solution based on RedMAX or AN-80 ? Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ As knowledge increases, the verdict of yesterday must be reversed today, and in the long run the most positive authority is the least to be trusted. - Hugh Nibley WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Gentlemen, All of our WiMAX TDD equipment comes with standard GPS synchronization. US options are 3.65 and 5GHz. It helps us to mitigate far and near co-channel interference Best regards Alex Aleksander Freylekhman Sales Director North America Axxcelera Broadband Wireless a Moseley Company T: +1 (804) 864-4125 M: +1 (440) 220-2192 afreylekh...@axxcelera.com mailto:afreylekh...@axxcelera.com www.axxcelera.com http://www.axxcelera.com From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: June 14, 2010 11:19:42 AM CDT To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Redline Redmax AN-100U and UX both use GPS. I know that Airspan and Alvarions 3.65 products also use GPS. I believe anything 802.16d/e uses GPS. -Eic On 6/14/2010 11:44 AM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: RedMAX 3.5 GHz (not for use in the US) products sure use GPS. RedConnec AN-80i don't. Is the 3.65 solution based on RedMAX or AN-80 ? Rubens On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Redline 3.65? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 9:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS synced systems Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Eric Muehleisen ericm...@gmail.com wrote: Redline Redmax AN-100U and UX both use GPS. I know that Airspan and Alvarions 3.65 products also use GPS. I believe anything 802.16d/e uses GPS. 802.16d FDD gear (like one from Alvarion) doesn't require GPS if memory serves me right... 802.16d/e TDD systems are very likely to have GPS. Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
With standard FSK Canopy (7/14 Mbps) you can re-use frequencies on back-to-back sectors only. There is no throughput hit for doing so. Think about what the GPS sync does- it causes all AP transmission timeslots to occur simultaneously, and all receive timeslots to be synchronized. So colocated APs will never be receiving while another is transmitting, avoiding self-interference. However, SMs receiving from a transmitting AP cluster must have enough separation between APs transmitting on the same frequency so that the signal from the desired AP is above the minimum SNR for the given modulation (10 dB for 2x mode) when compared to another AP transmitting on the same frequency. This can be achieved with a standard Canopy AP module by placing them back to back--the front/back ratio on the antennas provides more than 10 dB isolation. But a SM placed at the edge of two 60 degree sectors wouldn't have nearly enough isolation between the two sectors if they were running on the same frequency to maintain an acceptable SNR. So in short, you need three channels to run a standard 6 AP sector GPS sync'd with Canopy. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
and then ALL APs transmit simultaneously, not sequentially, correct? (others disagree) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
That's what I thought you'd need and would happen. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:50 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: With standard FSK Canopy (7/14 Mbps) you can re-use frequencies on back-to-back sectors only. There is no throughput hit for doing so. Think about what the GPS sync does- it causes all AP transmission timeslots to occur simultaneously, and all receive timeslots to be synchronized. So colocated APs will never be receiving while another is transmitting, avoiding self-interference. However, SMs receiving from a transmitting AP cluster must have enough separation between APs transmitting on the same frequency so that the signal from the desired AP is above the minimum SNR for the given modulation (10 dB for 2x mode) when compared to another AP transmitting on the same frequency. This can be achieved with a standard Canopy AP module by placing them back to back--the front/back ratio on the antennas provides more than 10 dB isolation. But a SM placed at the edge of two 60 degree sectors wouldn't have nearly enough isolation between the two sectors if they were running on the same frequency to maintain an acceptable SNR. So in short, you need three channels to run a standard 6 AP sector GPS sync'd with Canopy. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS synced systems
Correst On 06/14/2010 01:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: and then ALL APs transmit simultaneously, not sequentially, correct? (others disagree) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 3:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Going in a different direction... Can you reuse a given frequency on every sector around a tower (4x or 6x), or are you limited to something less than that? Do you get full capacity on each sector, or are you limited to some percentage of that full capacity if you use the same channel all the way around? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 6/14/2010 11:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Other than Canopy, what systems also use GPS sync? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
We have one running on a FreeBSD server. I'll have to look at how Aaron set it up, but I'm sure there are plenty of software packages out there that can do this. http://time.qnan.org/ is a linux example. Mikrotiks can also act as GPS NTP time servers using the optional NTP server package. http://www.mikrotik.com/testdocs/ros/3.0/system/gps.php - synching with GPS time http://www.mikrotik.com/testdocs/ros/3.0/system/ntp.php - NTP server and client docs. RickG wrote: Dont know the price but this is sweet -- http://www.ntp-time-server.com/time-servers/server-gps-clock.html On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Jayson Bakerjay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains timing from GPS? I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+. The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free -- so one could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that looks nice in a rack. Jayson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
Mikrotik RouterBoard + serial GPS receiver, though not a boxed solution. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server? Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains timing from GPS? I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+. The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free -- so one could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that looks nice in a rack. Jayson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
We use the lastmile gear Ctm Poe gps sync device for our motorola canopy It has a built In Ntp server Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik RouterBoard + serial GPS receiver, though not a boxed solution. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server? Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains timing from GPS? I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+. The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free -- so one could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that looks nice in a rack. Jayson --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
Oh yeah, that's right, the MT will do that. Ok - any suggestions on an decent GPS receiver that is outdoor/weatherproof and has a serial connection? I've found a bunch of USB, a couple that are serial and meant to go in a car (cigarette lighter mag mount), and even more that aren't weatherproof. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: We use the lastmile gear Ctm Poe gps sync device for our motorola canopy It has a built In Ntp server Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik RouterBoard + serial GPS receiver, though not a boxed solution. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server? Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains timing from GPS? I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+. The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free -- so one could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that looks nice in a rack. Jayson --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
I discovered that somewhere along the lines, MT added support for USB-based GPS. So I bought a $15 outdoor USB GPS off eBay. We'll see next week if it works. MT docs said as long as it supports NMEA output (which this one did) it'd work. We don't need accuracy down to the nanosecond, but within a second or two. We provide services to the local E911 PSAP, and need to make certain our end matches theirs for VoIP, log files, etc. For this app, we don't want to rely on Internet-based NTP servers, as some of our application is not tied to the public Internet. Jayson On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:21 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: The last time I looked into this, the GPS had to be one that output a 1 pps signal, and most didn't. Of course times could have changed (pun intended) and this isn't a requirement any longer. The GPS-35 from Garmin may meet your specs, I think, if it's still made. And BTW- if you happen to have a Canopy CMM in your network, it also has the NTP server derived from GPS built in. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server? Oh yeah, that's right, the MT will do that. Ok - any suggestions on an decent GPS receiver that is outdoor/weatherproof and has a serial connection? I've found a bunch of USB, a couple that are serial and meant to go in a car (cigarette lighter mag mount), and even more that aren't weatherproof. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: We use the lastmile gear Ctm Poe gps sync device for our motorola canopy It has a built In Ntp server Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik RouterBoard + serial GPS receiver, though not a boxed solution. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server? Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains timing from GPS? I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+. The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free -- so one could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that looks nice in a rack. Jayson --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
The last time I looked into this, the GPS had to be one that output a 1 pps signal, and most didn't. Of course times could have changed (pun intended) and this isn't a requirement any longer. The GPS-35 from Garmin may meet your specs, I think, if it's still made. And BTW- if you happen to have a Canopy CMM in your network, it also has the NTP server derived from GPS built in. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server? Oh yeah, that's right, the MT will do that. Ok - any suggestions on an decent GPS receiver that is outdoor/weatherproof and has a serial connection? I've found a bunch of USB, a couple that are serial and meant to go in a car (cigarette lighter mag mount), and even more that aren't weatherproof. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: We use the lastmile gear Ctm Poe gps sync device for our motorola canopy It has a built In Ntp server Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik RouterBoard + serial GPS receiver, though not a boxed solution. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 7:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server? Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains timing from GPS? I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+. The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free -- so one could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that looks nice in a rack. Jayson --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains timing from GPS? I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+. The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free -- so one could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that looks nice in a rack. Jayson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS NTP Server?
Dont know the price but this is sweet -- http://www.ntp-time-server.com/time-servers/server-gps-clock.html On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Jayson Bakerjay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Anyone know of a place to buy a rackmount NTP server that obtains timing from GPS? I spent a few minutes on Google and found a couple that were $1000+. The PCI cards can be had for about $50, antenna's are almost free -- so one could build one, but I'd prefer an out of the box solution that looks nice in a rack. Jayson WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software
SNMP would work if you just wanted to collect information about the AP's you are actually connected to. I don't think there is an OID for the scan feature, but I could be wrong. Anyone know? That is why I thought they might have some kind of tie in to the scan using the API. Cameron SNMP output from MT? On 8/29/09, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: This is typically called drive test software and there are many vendors of such...just not for wifi or similar technologies. Most of the commercial stuff is for collecting data on cellular networks. That being said, it shouldn't be too difficult to write a program to collect the serial data (see NMEA under google) from a GPS and throw it into a text file with the scan data from another program or device which you can get external output from. I'm not sure if the MT API allows you to collect scan data, but that's where I would start...anyone know? Cameron Cameron Kilton wrote: I'm very well aware that I will be doing this signal testing from the ground and I plan to due most if not all with 900mhz testing. I'm looking for a VERY rough mapping on real world testing. I've used other programs where you input radio data and it will estimate coverage, which is neat, but I want to be able to drive around using something like Delorm or Terrain Navigator and mark spots which I know where good signal with accurate GPS and input those into a Google Maps type system. So if such as system exists, please let me know what that system is... Thanks, Cam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software It might be cheaper just to pay someone to do RF propagation maps and post that information. I know someone who does that kind of work :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Cameron Kilton wrote: I have new site that I'm working on for deployment and want to be able to give customers a realistic coverage map of their town after I deploy the site. The idea: Rig vehicle with several antennas and drive around the town with Laptop and GPS unit connected to it and mark areas with coverage. Thoughts Suggestions? -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software
This is typically called drive test software and there are many vendors of such...just not for wifi or similar technologies. Most of the commercial stuff is for collecting data on cellular networks. That being said, it shouldn't be too difficult to write a program to collect the serial data (see NMEA under google) from a GPS and throw it into a text file with the scan data from another program or device which you can get external output from. I'm not sure if the MT API allows you to collect scan data, but that's where I would start...anyone know? Cameron Cameron Kilton wrote: I'm very well aware that I will be doing this signal testing from the ground and I plan to due most if not all with 900mhz testing. I'm looking for a VERY rough mapping on real world testing. I've used other programs where you input radio data and it will estimate coverage, which is neat, but I want to be able to drive around using something like Delorm or Terrain Navigator and mark spots which I know where good signal with accurate GPS and input those into a Google Maps type system. So if such as system exists, please let me know what that system is... Thanks, Cam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software It might be cheaper just to pay someone to do RF propagation maps and post that information. I know someone who does that kind of work :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Cameron Kilton wrote: I have new site that I'm working on for deployment and want to be able to give customers a realistic coverage map of their town after I deploy the site. The idea: Rig vehicle with several antennas and drive around the town with Laptop and GPS unit connected to it and mark areas with coverage. Thoughts Suggestions? -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software
SNMP output from MT? On 8/29/09, ccrum cc...@dot11net.com wrote: This is typically called drive test software and there are many vendors of such...just not for wifi or similar technologies. Most of the commercial stuff is for collecting data on cellular networks. That being said, it shouldn't be too difficult to write a program to collect the serial data (see NMEA under google) from a GPS and throw it into a text file with the scan data from another program or device which you can get external output from. I'm not sure if the MT API allows you to collect scan data, but that's where I would start...anyone know? Cameron Cameron Kilton wrote: I'm very well aware that I will be doing this signal testing from the ground and I plan to due most if not all with 900mhz testing. I'm looking for a VERY rough mapping on real world testing. I've used other programs where you input radio data and it will estimate coverage, which is neat, but I want to be able to drive around using something like Delorm or Terrain Navigator and mark spots which I know where good signal with accurate GPS and input those into a Google Maps type system. So if such as system exists, please let me know what that system is... Thanks, Cam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software It might be cheaper just to pay someone to do RF propagation maps and post that information. I know someone who does that kind of work :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Cameron Kilton wrote: I have new site that I'm working on for deployment and want to be able to give customers a realistic coverage map of their town after I deploy the site. The idea: Rig vehicle with several antennas and drive around the town with Laptop and GPS unit connected to it and mark areas with coverage. Thoughts Suggestions? -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] GPS mapping software
I have new site that I'm working on for deployment and want to be able to give customers a realistic coverage map of their town after I deploy the site. The idea: Rig vehicle with several antennas and drive around the town with Laptop and GPS unit connected to it and mark areas with coverage. Thoughts Suggestions? -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software
I don't know what type of network you have deployed (are you serving laptops directly?) but your method should work OK if a) You do 2-way throughput testing to/from the mobile setup. b) You use a CPE that's the same as your normal CPE. c) You use an antenna that is equivalent to your normal CPE antenna. jack Cameron Kilton wrote: I have new site that I'm working on for deployment and want to be able to give customers a realistic coverage map of their town after I deploy the site. The idea: Rig vehicle with several antennas and drive around the town with Laptop and GPS unit connected to it and mark areas with coverage. Thoughts Suggestions? -Cameron -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Public Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software
It might be cheaper just to pay someone to do RF propagation maps and post that information. I know someone who does that kind of work :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Cameron Kilton wrote: I have new site that I'm working on for deployment and want to be able to give customers a realistic coverage map of their town after I deploy the site. The idea: Rig vehicle with several antennas and drive around the town with Laptop and GPS unit connected to it and mark areas with coverage. Thoughts Suggestions? -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software
The biggest problem with your idea will be the fact you're on the ground - not going to work too well for 2.4 and 5.x. 900 will be better, but not ideal. The better part of what you're doing is if you see a -75 somewhere, then the houses adjacent are going to be greater to or equal! Starting out new the costs for everything - Brian's solution is significantly better. He offers it in Google Maps (great for show and tell) and Google Earth (great for installers/remote site surveys/etc). Both can be seen here: http://www.inxwireless.com/coverage.php Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: It might be cheaper just to pay someone to do RF propagation maps and post that information. I know someone who does that kind of work :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Cameron Kilton wrote: I have new site that I'm working on for deployment and want to be able to give customers a realistic coverage map of their town after I deploy the site. The idea: Rig vehicle with several antennas and drive around the town with Laptop and GPS unit connected to it and mark areas with coverage. Thoughts Suggestions? -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software
I'm very well aware that I will be doing this signal testing from the ground and I plan to due most if not all with 900mhz testing. I'm looking for a VERY rough mapping on real world testing. I've used other programs where you input radio data and it will estimate coverage, which is neat, but I want to be able to drive around using something like Delorm or Terrain Navigator and mark spots which I know where good signal with accurate GPS and input those into a Google Maps type system. So if such as system exists, please let me know what that system is... Thanks, Cam -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS mapping software It might be cheaper just to pay someone to do RF propagation maps and post that information. I know someone who does that kind of work :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Cameron Kilton wrote: I have new site that I'm working on for deployment and want to be able to give customers a realistic coverage map of their town after I deploy the site. The idea: Rig vehicle with several antennas and drive around the town with Laptop and GPS unit connected to it and mark areas with coverage. Thoughts Suggestions? -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] GPS
I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
Mike, The elevation reading on a GPS is only accurate to within about 30 feet. Using one to measure tower height is not going to product accurate results. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
Get a WAAS enabled machine. Then you can get accurate elevation measurements. Without elevation figures are pretty bad on a hand held device. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] GPS I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
I figured a real GPS device would be more accurate than my Nextel phone, but apparently not. I've never seen it report an accuracy greater than 30 feet, even in areas where there is no cell coverage to augment the accuracy. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS Mike, The elevation reading on a GPS is only accurate to within about 30 feet. Using one to measure tower height is not going to product accurate results. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
Mike Hammett wrote: I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? I like the Garmin handhelds... got a GPSMAP 60c myself with a serial-bluetooth/power supply combo that spits NMEA out to my laptop or BlackBerry. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
Also, get one with an electronic compass... Be careful that you make sure that the compass feature works when stationary. Many have the compass feature, but you must be moving for it to work. On 1/29/08 12:53 PM, Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get a WAAS enabled machine. Then you can get accurate elevation measurements. Without elevation figures are pretty bad on a hand held device. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] GPS I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Cliff LeBoeuf 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
Magellan makes some GPS that include a GPS based compass to ignore the magnetic problems with some vertical assets. Will also work standing still, but uses batteries fairly fast with the compass turned on. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS We've been using the Garmin 70 and 60 series with altimeter (as opposed to elevation from map data). Garmin claims an accuracy of 10 feet with proper calibration. Even with fluxgate, the electronic compass is unreliable near towers. Has anyone used a gyrocompass? ted On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: Mike, The elevation reading on a GPS is only accurate to within about 30 feet. Using one to measure tower height is not going to product accurate results. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
We've been using the Garmin 70 and 60 series with altimeter (as opposed to elevation from map data). Garmin claims an accuracy of 10 feet with proper calibration. Even with fluxgate, the electronic compass is unreliable near towers. Has anyone used a gyrocompass? ted On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: Mike, The elevation reading on a GPS is only accurate to within about 30 feet. Using one to measure tower height is not going to product accurate results. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
http://tinyurl.com/259a2f http://tinyurl.com/yrpqsw $40.00 to 10,000.00 is a big price range! My gps is WAAS or what ever enabled, but I have to be 25-30 feet away from the tower to get anything close to accurate on the compass. Altitude is close. We just use a land mark with Google Earth's line/measuring tool, and print it out before we go. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GPS We've been using the Garmin 70 and 60 series with altimeter (as opposed to elevation from map data). Garmin claims an accuracy of 10 feet with proper calibration. Even with fluxgate, the electronic compass is unreliable near towers. Has anyone used a gyrocompass? ted On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: Mike, The elevation reading on a GPS is only accurate to within about 30 feet. Using one to measure tower height is not going to product accurate results. Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
I love my Garmin Etrex Summit. One of the things I like the most is it's magnetic compass. Don't have to be moving for it to work. I also have a data cable that lets me use in with topo usa and a laptop. Great for surveys. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] GPS I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GPS
One thing to watch with the compasses is magnetic distortion. When we are aiming a PTP link or sector we will use a compass and a reference point from google earth. This is especially important when on top of a grain elevator since they can have some large electric motors for the conveyors, which will throw off magnetic compasses. For installs we have given our techs MS streets and trips with the usb GPS dongle. Our Installer's vans are equipped with Jotto Desks and have tablets PC that allow them to use the Street and Trips for directions. Ryan On Jan 29, 2008, at 11:58 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I love my Garmin Etrex Summit. One of the things I like the most is it's magnetic compass. Don't have to be moving for it to work. I also have a data cable that lets me use in with topo usa and a laptop. Great for surveys. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: [WISPA] GPS I am looking at getting a GPS device. I'd like it to work with many different programs such as Google Earth, Radio Mobile, Kismet, etc. What sort of features do I need it to have to work with these programs? I'd also like to have it be an independent unit with elevation so I can climb a tower and see exactly how tall it is instead of pulling a number out of you know where. Recommendations? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] GPS coords
I'm finishing up on the link map/spreadsheet to send you. How accurate does the GPS coords need to be, for Freq Coord study? I'm using Google Earth. I can go as far as zooming in and marking the GPS coords for the exact antenna positions. Or I can pick a center spot of the building. Confusion based on having one site with multiple antennas. My understanding was that the FCC wanted accuracy within 1 deg? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] GPS coords
Tom, just point at it..over thar Ducking on the 'general List' :- ) Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS coords I'm finishing up on the link map/spreadsheet to send you. How accurate does the GPS coords need to be, for Freq Coord study? I'm using Google Earth. I can go as far as zooming in and marking the GPS coords for the exact antenna positions. Or I can pick a center spot of the building. Confusion based on having one site with multiple antennas. My understanding was that the FCC wanted accuracy within 1 deg? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] GPS
Hi, Has anyone equipped their installer vehicles with dash-mounted GPS systems? We have been using the cheap USB GPS adapters with the installers laptops and using Streets 2007. This works pretty well, but now with the prices down on the dash mount models, I'm wondering about installing those. Any input? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] GPS
Hide them when the guys are out of the trucks. I just lost my Garmin Nuvi 360 from the car in the parking lot. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS Hi, Has anyone equipped their installer vehicles with dash-mounted GPS systems? We have been using the cheap USB GPS adapters with the installers laptops and using Streets 2007. This works pretty well, but now with the prices down on the dash mount models, I'm wondering about installing those. Any input? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] GPS Recievers
I'm looking for very good GPS receivers. I've used Trimble in the past and found them to be very good, but expensive. That was back in 1998 - 2001. I'd like to get sub-meter accuracy if the price is right. When dealing with mountain tops and ridge lines, 100' off can put you at the bottom of a cliff. Any recommendations? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] GPS Recievers
Dan, I like the Garmin product line. To get the best accuracy for a reasonable price look for devices that have WAAS. This is a secondary differential correction signal sent from Geostationary birds on each coast. It does not always work but for the price it gets you real close. You should be able to get accuracy to 20 feet or better in most situations. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Dan Petermann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 2:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] GPS Recievers I'm looking for very good GPS receivers. I've used Trimble in the past and found them to be very good, but expensive. That was back in 1998 - 2001. I'd like to get sub-meter accuracy if the price is right. When dealing with mountain tops and ridge lines, 100' off can put you at the bottom of a cliff. Any recommendations? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] GPS Recievers
/lurk You should be able to get accuracy to 20 feet or better in most situations. I routinely get 15' accuracy with my GPSMAP 60C. 9' is not uncommon. The best I've seen it was last weekend, when I had 6' accuracy while out in the desert east of San Diego. I'm a big Garmin fan. Both GPS units I've owned were/are Garmins. I know a few people with Magellans and they're constantly complaining of accuracy issues and quality control (stress cracks in the housing, etc). To the original poster: Unless you can manage to get your hands on a military grade device, you're not likely to get sub-meter precision. lurk -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
