Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
My point was rather to show it isn't garage sale quality :) On Aug 24, 2010 7:28 PM, "Jeremy Parr" wrote: On 24 August 2010 17:54, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Dell Outlet is 90% ne... Exactly. There are some great bargains to be had there. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
On 24 August 2010 17:54, Josh Luthman wrote: > Dell Outlet is 90% new dell stuff that was shipped twice, almost > always still in the box. Someone ordered the wrong thing for example. > Exactly. There are some great bargains to be had there. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Dell Outlet is 90% new dell stuff that was shipped twice, almost always still in the box. Someone ordered the wrong thing for example. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Brad Belton wrote: > There's one in the Dell Outlet right now for $9919.00 with 15 2TB 7.2K RPM > drives. About 7-15x the storage you're looking for depending on how you > configure. I think that's about what we paid for 15 750GB 15K RPM drives. > > Dell put together a complete turn-key package for us including the VMwave > licensing & platinum support, storage, chassis, blades, Dell support and > warranty. We were lucky and found most of what we needed in the Dell Outlet > saving us a good amount of money. We didn't see any reason not to go with > the outlet gear because it has the same warranty as new Dell gear. > > Best, > > > Brad > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 2:41 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? > > Any idea what that cost? We're looking at ~2TB of data currently, and we'd > like some room to grow... > > Kevin > - Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Belton" > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:10 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? > > >> We kept everything Dell, so we're using the Dell MD3000i with about 7TB of >> storage. The benefits of keeping everything Dell or HP etc outweighed the >> cost savings in our situation. >> >> Dell has always taken real good care of us. I've called Dell at 4pm with >> an issue and they had a replacement part in my hands by 8am the next >> morning...no charge. >> >> Best, >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Jon Auer >> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:33 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? >> >> That's pretty cool. >> What are you using for shared storage? >> >> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brad Belton wrote: >>> Agreed. We’ve run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but >>> we >>> had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything. >>> >>> >>> >>> We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with. >>> Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, >>> availability, >>> power savings and features. A “server” to us now amounts to just a file >>> within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a >>> simple cut & paste. If VMware “sees” a server go down or a host within >>> your >>> cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a >>> different host. Really cool stuff… >>> >>> >>> >>> The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now >>> are >>> probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they >>> replaced! >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> >>> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? >>> >>> >>> >>> On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: >>> >>> I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers. All will be >>> running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are >>> preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? >>> >>> Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything. >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
There's one in the Dell Outlet right now for $9919.00 with 15 2TB 7.2K RPM drives. About 7-15x the storage you're looking for depending on how you configure. I think that's about what we paid for 15 750GB 15K RPM drives. Dell put together a complete turn-key package for us including the VMwave licensing & platinum support, storage, chassis, blades, Dell support and warranty. We were lucky and found most of what we needed in the Dell Outlet saving us a good amount of money. We didn't see any reason not to go with the outlet gear because it has the same warranty as new Dell gear. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? Any idea what that cost? We're looking at ~2TB of data currently, and we'd like some room to grow... Kevin - Original Message - From: "Brad Belton" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? > We kept everything Dell, so we're using the Dell MD3000i with about 7TB of > storage. The benefits of keeping everything Dell or HP etc outweighed the > cost savings in our situation. > > Dell has always taken real good care of us. I've called Dell at 4pm with > an issue and they had a replacement part in my hands by 8am the next > morning...no charge. > > Best, > > > Brad > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jon Auer > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:33 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? > > That's pretty cool. > What are you using for shared storage? > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brad Belton wrote: >> Agreed. We’ve run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but >> we >> had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything. >> >> >> >> We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with. >> Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, >> availability, >> power savings and features. A “server” to us now amounts to just a file >> within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a >> simple cut & paste. If VMware “sees” a server go down or a host within >> your >> cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a >> different host. Really cool stuff… >> >> >> >> The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now >> are >> probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they >> replaced! >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr >> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? >> >> >> >> On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: >> >> I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be >> running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are >> preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? >> >> Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 02:34:41AM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: > There are several sellers on eBay selling Dell servers. We > almost exclusively buy off eBay when it comes to servers. Lots of > Dell/IBM/Etc. hardware with warranties. I just purchased 5 Poweredge > 1850¹s for a client. 2x 3.4 Xeons with 4 gigs of ram, etc. $300 a > server. All had a 1 year warrnaty. Space was a concern so we went > with the 1U boxes. I know some guys don¹t like the 1U boxes because of > proprietary fans, power, etc. But at $300 a server we have extras. If > I had more room in my colo space I would have bought some for myself. > > Just read the descriptions. Many times the drives are gone, no > rails, or no bezels. Easy enough to overlook if you are in a hurry. I agree with the eBay route if you just need three generation old hardware to put in remote locations. You can get very good server grade stuff that used to be way expensive and will probably run for years more. -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
My web developer sent me this a while back:
http://www.backblaze.com/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage.html
We're thinking of doing something similar in a new rack setup. Don't
need that much storage, but a couple of RAID 6 servers with DRBD network
RAID would provide quite a bit of redundancy.
On 8/24/2010 10:02 AM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
What is everyone doing for VM storage?
Kevin
- Original Message -
*From:* Matt Larsen - Lists <mailto:li...@manageisp.com>
*To:* WISPA General List <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:42 AM
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Unfortunately, these servers are going to be geographically
dispersed, and doing things that cannot really be virtualized.
Three will be doing NAT/policy routing, three will be running our
bandwidth tracking software, three will be terminating VOIP and
one will be a network monitoring server running Nagios/Xymon/etc etc.
Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
On 8/24/2010 8:17 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:
I agree. When I last looked, we were on our third chassis
running VMWare. The space savings and lower utility bills are
well worth it.
Rick
*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Brad Belton
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:42 AM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Agreed. We've run HP and Dell servers for years and have been
happy, but we had no idea what we were missing once we
virtualized everything.
We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to
start with. Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the
performance, availability, power savings and features. A
"server" to us now amounts to just a file within VMware that we
can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a simple cut &
paste. If VMware "sees" a server go down or a host within your
cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers
on a different host. Really cool stuff...
The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we
have now are probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets
stuffed with servers they replaced!
Best,
Brad
*From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Parr
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists mailto:li...@manageisp.com>> wrote:
I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All
will be
running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are
preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations?
Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything.
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Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Any idea what that cost? We're looking at ~2TB of data currently, and we'd like some room to grow... Kevin - Original Message - From: "Brad Belton" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? > We kept everything Dell, so we're using the Dell MD3000i with about 7TB of > storage. The benefits of keeping everything Dell or HP etc outweighed the > cost savings in our situation. > > Dell has always taken real good care of us. I've called Dell at 4pm with > an issue and they had a replacement part in my hands by 8am the next > morning...no charge. > > Best, > > > Brad > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jon Auer > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:33 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? > > That's pretty cool. > What are you using for shared storage? > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brad Belton wrote: >> Agreed. We’ve run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but >> we >> had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything. >> >> >> >> We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with. >> Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, >> availability, >> power savings and features. A “server” to us now amounts to just a file >> within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a >> simple cut & paste. If VMware “sees” a server go down or a host within >> your >> cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a >> different host. Really cool stuff… >> >> >> >> The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now >> are >> probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they >> replaced! >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> >> >> Brad >> >> >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Jeremy Parr >> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? >> >> >> >> On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: >> >> I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be >> running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are >> preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? >> >> Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything. >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Running and beginning to migrate to our own VoIP platform was the deciding reason we went with a blade setup. Redundancy - Redundancy - Redundancy Everything is redundant and has built-in failover with alarm notification. Things break and there's no way around that fact, so layer on the redundancy to keep the bits flowing while you fix what broke. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? Unfortunately, these servers are going to be geographically dispersed, and doing things that cannot really be virtualized. Three will be doing NAT/policy routing, three will be running our bandwidth tracking software, three will be terminating VOIP and one will be a network monitoring server running Nagios/Xymon/etc etc. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/24/2010 8:17 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: I agree. When I last looked, we were on our third chassis running VMWare. The space savings and lower utility bills are well worth it. Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? Agreed. We've run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but we had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything. We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with. Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, availability, power savings and features. A "server" to us now amounts to just a file within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a simple cut & paste. If VMware "sees" a server go down or a host within your cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a different host. Really cool stuff. The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now are probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they replaced! Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
We kept everything Dell, so we're using the Dell MD3000i with about 7TB of storage. The benefits of keeping everything Dell or HP etc outweighed the cost savings in our situation. Dell has always taken real good care of us. I've called Dell at 4pm with an issue and they had a replacement part in my hands by 8am the next morning...no charge. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jon Auer Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 10:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? That's pretty cool. What are you using for shared storage? On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brad Belton wrote: > Agreed. We’ve run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but we > had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything. > > > > We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with. > Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, availability, > power savings and features. A “server” to us now amounts to just a file > within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a > simple cut & paste. If VMware “sees” a server go down or a host within your > cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a > different host. Really cool stuff… > > > > The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now are > probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they > replaced! > > > > Best, > > > > > > Brad > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jeremy Parr > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? > > > > On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > > I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be > running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are > preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? > > Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
On 24 August 2010 13:02, Kevin Sullivan wrote: > What is everyone doing for VM storage? > Internal drives on small sites (prefer Raid 1 if possible, easier to recover in the event of a controller failure) and iSCSI for larger sites. The Dell MD3000i is a good bang for the buck if you need a single vendor solution, if you are pinching pennies but still want a SAN, Promise makes some decent iSCSI boxes with redundant controllers that will multipath. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
I don't have much data at all so I am using two SATA disks in a mirror RAID. Probably 120 gigs? I know everything fits on an 80 gig drive. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote: > What is everyone doing for VM storage? > > Kevin > > - Original Message - > From: Matt Larsen - Lists > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? > Unfortunately, these servers are going to be geographically dispersed, and > doing things that cannot really be virtualized. Three will be doing > NAT/policy routing, three will be running our bandwidth tracking software, > three will be terminating VOIP and one will be a network monitoring server > running Nagios/Xymon/etc etc. > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > On 8/24/2010 8:17 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: > > I agree. When I last looked, we were on our third chassis running VMWare. > The space savings and lower utility bills are well worth it. > > Rick > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Brad Belton > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:42 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? > > Agreed. We’ve run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but we > had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything. > > We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with. > Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, availability, > power savings and features. A “server” to us now amounts to just a file > within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a > simple cut & paste. If VMware “sees” a server go down or a host within your > cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a > different host. Really cool stuff… > > The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now are > probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they > replaced! > > Best, > > Brad > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jeremy Parr > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? > > On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > > I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers. All will be > running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are > preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? > > Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
What is everyone doing for VM storage?
Kevin
- Original Message -
From: Matt Larsen - Lists
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Unfortunately, these servers are going to be geographically dispersed, and
doing things that cannot really be virtualized. Three will be doing
NAT/policy routing, three will be running our bandwidth tracking software,
three will be terminating VOIP and one will be a network monitoring server
running Nagios/Xymon/etc etc.
Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com
On 8/24/2010 8:17 AM, Rick Harnish wrote:
I agree. When I last looked, we were on our third chassis running VMWare.
The space savings and lower utility bills are well worth it.
Rick
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:42 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Agreed. We've run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but
we had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything.
We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with.
Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, availability,
power savings and features. A "server" to us now amounts to just a file within
VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a simple cut &
paste. If VMware "sees" a server go down or a host within your cluster fail it
will automatically fire up the affected servers on a different host. Really
cool stuff.
The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now are
probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they
replaced!
Best,
Brad
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Parr
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be
running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are
preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations?
Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything.
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Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Unfortunately, these servers are going to be geographically dispersed, and doing things that cannot really be virtualized. Three will be doing NAT/policy routing, three will be running our bandwidth tracking software, three will be terminating VOIP and one will be a network monitoring server running Nagios/Xymon/etc etc. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 8/24/2010 8:17 AM, Rick Harnish wrote: I agree. When I last looked, we were on our third chassis running VMWare. The space savings and lower utility bills are well worth it. Rick *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Brad Belton *Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:42 AM *To:* 'WISPA General List' *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? Agreed. We've run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but we had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything. We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with. Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, availability, power savings and features. A "server" to us now amounts to just a file within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a simple cut & paste. If VMware "sees" a server go down or a host within your cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a different host. Really cool stuff... The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now are probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they replaced! Best, Brad *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Parr *Sent:* Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists <mailto:li...@manageisp.com>> wrote: I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
If you are looking for new, i've been buying my servers from IXsystems out of California for the past 6 years. They have a good range of products and also sell blade systems. Very stable hardware. They are a big contributor to open source and FreeBSD. If you want contact info, let me know. Chris Gotstein, Network Engineer, U.P. Logon/Computer Connection U.P. http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com On 8/24/2010 9:48 AM, Nick White wrote: > Computer Geeks usually has good stuff. I've bought both new (Intel) > and refurb (HP) servers from them. Selection looks a bit low at the > moment, but a month ago they had three times what's listed now. > http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=821 > > Otherwise eBay is always a good source. > > > On 8/23/2010 11:15 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: >>I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be >> running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are >> preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? >> >> Matt Larsen >> vistabeam.com >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
That's pretty cool. What are you using for shared storage? On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Brad Belton wrote: > Agreed. We’ve run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but we > had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything. > > > > We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with. > Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, availability, > power savings and features. A “server” to us now amounts to just a file > within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a > simple cut & paste. If VMware “sees” a server go down or a host within your > cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a > different host. Really cool stuff… > > > > The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now are > probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they > replaced! > > > > Best, > > > > > > Brad > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jeremy Parr > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? > > > > On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > > I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers. All will be > running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are > preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? > > Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything. > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Computer Geeks usually has good stuff. I've bought both new (Intel) and refurb (HP) servers from them. Selection looks a bit low at the moment, but a month ago they had three times what's listed now. http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=821 Otherwise eBay is always a good source. On 8/23/2010 11:15 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: >I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be > running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are > preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 01:15, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be > running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are > preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? > If the workload is one that can be virtualized, buy one or two big servers (order the drives and RAM from Newegg to save money) and get VMware ESXi. If not, I've been happy with eRacks (eracks.com), or of course Dell. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
I agree. When I last looked, we were on our third chassis running VMWare. The space savings and lower utility bills are well worth it. Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? Agreed. We've run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but we had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything. We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with. Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, availability, power savings and features. A "server" to us now amounts to just a file within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a simple cut & paste. If VMware "sees" a server go down or a host within your cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a different host. Really cool stuff. The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now are probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they replaced! Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Something you want new or used? super cheap or not? --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 1:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Agreed. We've run HP and Dell servers for years and have been happy, but we had no idea what we were missing once we virtualized everything. We purchased a Dell blade chassis and three blade servers to start with. Loaded VMware and have been blown away with the performance, availability, power savings and features. A "server" to us now amounts to just a file within VMware that we can copy, backup or move wherever we please with a simple cut & paste. If VMware "sees" a server go down or a host within your cluster fail it will automatically fire up the affected servers on a different host. Really cool stuff. The chassis will hold 16 blades, but just the three blades we have now are probably 100x the power of the two 42U cabinets stuffed with servers they replaced! Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
On 24 August 2010 02:15, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be > running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are > preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? > Buy a new Dell (or factory refurb) and virtualize everything. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
Surplus cComputers has some nice refurb stuff: http://www.surpluscomputers.com/featured-hardware/cg-69/servers.html Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 2:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
There are several sellers on eBay selling Dell servers. We almost exclusively buy off eBay when it comes to servers. Lots of Dell/IBM/Etc. hardware with warranties. I just purchased 5 Poweredge 1850¹s for a client. 2x 3.4 Xeons with 4 gigs of ram, etc. $300 a server. All had a 1 year warrnaty. Space was a concern so we went with the 1U boxes. I know some guys don¹t like the 1U boxes because of proprietary fans, power, etc. But at $300 a server we have extras. If I had more room in my colo space I would have bought some for myself. Just read the descriptions. Many times the drives are gone, no rails, or no bezels. Easy enough to overlook if you are in a hurry. -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net/blog xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Matt Larsen - Lists Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 00:15:13 -0600 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers? I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Good Source for Rackmount Servers?
I have a need for about ten 2U/4U rackmount servers.All will be running Linux, so 4gig RAM, 2ghz or better CPU and ATA drives are preferred. Does anyone one the list have recommendations? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
