Re: [WISPA] Hmm.. Mikrotik or Cisco...

2017-06-30 Thread Mike Hammett 
No.Cisco is definitely not worth it at that price. 

Given my experiences with Cisco, I'm not sure Cisco is worth it at any price. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

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From: "David Jones" <d...@nglconnection.com> 
To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <w...@wispa.org>, "WISPA General List" 
<wireless@wispa.org>, "Mikrotik Users" <mikrotik-us...@wispa.org>, 
memb...@wispa.org 
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 12:46:01 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Hmm.. Mikrotik or Cisco... 


Good morning. 


I have a deep question for the Mikrotik people and the Cisco people. 


Let me give you an overview of where we are. 
Currently we have all of our tower sites using Mikrotik connecting to our core 
with MPLS/VPLS to our core that is multiple Mikrotik routers using VRRP (I had 
a core die from power supply failure and our network didn't skip a beet while 
it was replaced.) The VRRP core then connects to our edge that is a Cisco 
ASR1001-x that connects to our BGP peers. 


The reason we went with Cisco was because all the CCR Mikrotik Lagged horribly 
when doing BGP full tables. We had a Maxxwave router that did fine with the BGP 
but had crap interface support with Mikrotik not having good drivers for the 
interfaces. Different MTU for the MPLS caused problems. 


It appears that now with Mikrotik's CHR fixes the driver problems. the Virtual 
host deals with the drivers so Mikrotik doesn't have to. 


All has been fine for a few years... but now the Cisco has reset itself twice 
in the past week. For whatever reason a reboot on a Cisco = 15-20min down time. 
We are now needing a VRRP solution for the Edge. 


So here is the cross roads... Do we get another ASR1001-x and struggle for a 
while to get a form of VRRP to work between them? Or do we get something like 
this 
(https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-SuperServer-5018D-FN8T-Rackmount-10GbE/dp/B01LXUATHB
 ) 

and keep it all Mikrotik for ease of training and use? 


We do not have much experience with Cisco. It takes us quite a bit to configure 
and change them. is it worth learning and paying the 12x the price for less 
throughput? 
Cisco ASR 1001 2.5gbps throughput = $6,680 
Cisco Licence for 10gbps throughput = $13,099 
Total for 1 Cisco router + Repair of current + 1 Spare = $41,558 


vs Mikrotik 
Supermicro SuperServer 5018D-FN8T + 16G mem + SSD = $986 

CHR 10Gbps upload per interface = $95 
Total for 2 routers + 1 spare = $3,243 


Is Cisco still the better option? would it be better to say use 3 MK routers in 
VRRP with one spare so 2 can fail and not be a problem? 

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NGL Connection 
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Re: [WISPA] Hmm.. Mikrotik or Cisco...

2017-06-30 Thread Simon Westlake 
"is it worth learning and paying the 12x the price for less throughput?" 
- No


If there is something you gain by using the Cisco (all your staff 
understands Cisco better than MikroTik, the Cisco is more stable, the 
Cisco offers a featureset you can't get on the MikroTik) then you should 
do it.


But if it comes down to the fact that it has a Cisco label on it (which 
is all it sounds like it would be for you right now) then I wouldn't 
bother, personally.


On 6/30/2017 12:46 PM, David Jones wrote:

Good morning.

I have a deep question for the Mikrotik people and the Cisco people.

Let me give you an overview of where we are.
Currently we have all of our tower sites using Mikrotik connecting to 
our core with MPLS/VPLS to our core that is multiple Mikrotik routers 
using VRRP (I had a core die from power supply failure and our network 
didn't skip a beet while it was replaced.) The VRRP core then connects 
to our edge that is a Cisco ASR1001-x that connects to our BGP peers.


The reason we went with Cisco was because all the CCR Mikrotik Lagged 
horribly when doing BGP full tables. We had a Maxxwave router that did 
fine with the BGP but had crap interface support with Mikrotik not 
having good drivers for the interfaces. Different MTU for the MPLS 
caused problems.


It appears that now with Mikrotik's CHR fixes the driver problems. the 
Virtual host deals with the drivers so Mikrotik doesn't have to.


All has been fine for a few years... but now the Cisco has reset 
itself twice in the past week. For whatever reason a reboot on a Cisco 
= 15-20min down time. We are now needing a VRRP solution for the Edge.


So here is the cross roads... Do we get another ASR1001-x and struggle 
for a while to get a form of VRRP to work between them? Or do we get 
something like this 
(https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-SuperServer-5018D-FN8T-Rackmount-10GbE/dp/B01LXUATHB 
)

and keep it all Mikrotik for ease of training and use?

We do not have much experience with Cisco. It takes us quite a bit to 
configure and change them. is it worth learning and paying the 12x the 
price for less throughput?

Cisco ASR 1001 2.5gbps throughput = $6,680
Cisco Licence for 10gbps throughput = $13,099
Total for 1 Cisco router + Repair of current + 1 Spare = $41,558

vs Mikrotik
Supermicro SuperServer 5018D-FN8T + 16G mem + SSD = $986
CHR 10Gbps upload per interface = $95
Total for 2 routers + 1 spare = $3,243

Is Cisco still the better option? would it be better to say use 3 MK 
routers in VRRP with one spare so 2 can fail and not be a problem?


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NGL Connection
307-288-5491 ext 702


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[WISPA] Hmm.. Mikrotik or Cisco...

2017-06-30 Thread David Jones 
Good morning.

I have a deep question for the Mikrotik people and the Cisco people.

Let me give you an overview of where we are.
Currently we have all of our tower sites using Mikrotik connecting to our
core with MPLS/VPLS to our core that is multiple Mikrotik routers using
VRRP (I had a core die from power supply failure and our network didn't
skip a beet while it was replaced.) The VRRP core then connects to our edge
that is a Cisco ASR1001-x that connects to our BGP peers.

The reason we went with Cisco was because all the CCR Mikrotik Lagged
horribly when doing BGP full tables. We had a Maxxwave router that did fine
with the BGP but had crap interface support with Mikrotik not having good
drivers for the interfaces. Different MTU for the MPLS caused problems.

It appears that now with Mikrotik's CHR fixes the driver problems. the
Virtual host deals with the drivers so Mikrotik doesn't have to.

All has been fine for a few years... but now the Cisco has reset itself
twice in the past week. For whatever reason a reboot on a Cisco = 15-20min
down time. We are now needing a VRRP solution for the Edge.

So here is the cross roads... Do we get another ASR1001-x and struggle for
a while to get a form of VRRP to work between them? Or do we get something
like this
(https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-SuperServer-5018D-FN8T-Rackmount-10GbE/dp/B01LXUATHB

)
and keep it all Mikrotik for ease of training and use?

We do not have much experience with Cisco. It takes us quite a bit to
configure and change them. is it worth learning and paying the 12x the
price for less throughput?
Cisco ASR 1001 2.5gbps throughput = $6,680
Cisco Licence for 10gbps throughput = $13,099
Total for 1 Cisco router + Repair of current + 1 Spare = $41,558

vs Mikrotik
Supermicro SuperServer 5018D-FN8T + 16G mem + SSD = $986
CHR 10Gbps upload per interface = $95
Total for 2 routers + 1 spare = $3,243

Is Cisco still the better option? would it be better to say use 3 MK
routers in VRRP with one spare so 2 can fail and not be a problem?

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David Jones
NGL Connection
307-288-5491 ext 702
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