[WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
I made a copy of the stimulus bill's complete text, just so you don't have to go searching through the Library of Congress database to find it (not that it's hard to do), here: http://images.bureau42.com/sa/stimulus.htm This is the version that both the House and Senate have passed, and which will almost certainly be signed by President Obama today. You find the most interesting things just by keyword-searching for broadband * The mad money totals an even seven billion dollars, which is only available until September 2010. * The Department of Agriculture, who have been somewhat friendly to WISPs in the past, appears to get control of most of that money. * Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone know the precise definition of that term in this context?) * Within one year, the FCC is mandated to complete a rulemaking to develop a national broadband plan. /* There will be a new IRS tax credit for broadband: 10% of your expenses if you provide current-generation service (which means 5Mbps down/1Mbps up for wireline, 3Mbps down/768kbps up for wireless), 20% for next-generation service (100Mbps down/20Mbps up, regardless of medium), for gear deployed between 1/1/09 and 12/31/11./ Remember to say please and thank-you to your accountant. Even if you don't like taking grant money, think it's inappropriate for the government to give it away, whatever, the tax credit looks promising. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
David, Are you sure that is the final bill? Reason I ask, one of the line items I have been watching is the FEMA money to build or modify fire stations. In a meeting I had with FEMA last night, they advised the amount had been cut to 210 million, yet the link you show has it at 500 million. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more! I made a copy of the stimulus bill's complete text, just so you don't have to go searching through the Library of Congress database to find it (not that it's hard to do), here: http://images.bureau42.com/sa/stimulus.htm This is the version that both the House and Senate have passed, and which will almost certainly be signed by President Obama today. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
Blake Bowers wrote: Are you sure that is the final bill? Reason I ask, one of the line items I have been watching is the FEMA money to build or modify fire stations. In a meeting I had with FEMA last night, they advised the amount had been cut to 210 million, yet the link you show has it at 500 million. As sure as I can be - I just cut-and-pasted the whole thing from THOMAS. (Go to thomas.loc.gov, search for bill number HR1, click Text of Legislation, then look through either of the last two revisions. Revision 6, Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate, is much easier to read, as it doesn't start with a hundred pages of strike out every last word from the previous version of this bill.) My Congress-fu is a bit weak, but I'm reasonably certain this is the version of the bill that's been signed by both branches of Congress and passed up to the President. Even if I'm wrong, there don't appear to be any major revisions in the broadband sections. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
* Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone know the precise definition of that term in this context?) Usually you need to refer to other bills for explanations and definitions. As you see in the general provisions, the Stimulus refers to the Bureau of Census, It may be easier to get the information directly from the Secretary of Agriculture, or someone who has already use such funds in the past realtive to the rural communities. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 GENERAL PROVISIONS--THIS TITLE Sec. 101. Funds appropriated by this Act and made available to the United States Department of Agriculture for broadband direct loans and loan guarantees, as authorized under title VI of the Rural Electrification Act of 1936 (7 U.S.C. 950bb) and for grants, shall be available for broadband infrastructure in any area of the United States notwithstanding title VI of the Rural Electrification Act of 1936: Provided, That at least 75 percent of the area served by the projects receiving funds from such grants, loans, or loan guarantees is in a rural area without sufficient access to high speed broadband service to facilitate rural economic development, as determined by the Secretary: Provided further, That priority for awarding funds made available under this paragraph shall be given to projects that provide service to the highest proportion of rural residents that do not have sufficient access to broadband service: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall be given to project applications that demonstrate that, if the application is approved, all project elements will be fully funded: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall be given to activities that can commence promptly following approval: Provided further, That the Department shall submit a report on planned spending and actual obligations describing the use of these funds not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act, and quarterly thereafter until all funds are obligated, to the Committees on Appropriations of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Rural Electrification Act of 1936 http://www.usda.gov/rus/regs/info/100-1/title_i.htm SEC. 13. DEFINITIONS.--As used in this Act the term rural area, except as provided in section 203(b), shall be deemed to mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any urban area, as defined by the Bureau of the Census, and such term shall be deemed to include both the farm and nonfarm population thereof; the term farm shall be deemed to mean a farm as defined in the publications of the Bureau of the Census, the term person shall be deemed to mean any natural person, firm, corporation, or association; the term Territory shall be deemed to include any insular possession of the United States; and the term Secretary shall be deemed to mean the Secretary of Agriculture. [May 20,1936, ch. 432, Title I, §13, 49 Stat. 1367; Oct. 28,1949, ch. 776, §2, 63 Stat. 948; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law 103-129, §2(c)(3), 107 Stat. 1363; Oct. 13, 1994, Public Law 103-354, Title II, Subtitle C, §235(a)(6), 108 Stat. 3221; 7 U.S.C.913.] SEC. 203. DEFINITION OF TELEPHONE SERVICE AND RURAL AREA.-(a) As used in this title, the term telephone service shall be deemed to mean any communication service for the transmission or reception of voice, data, sounds, signals, pictures, writing, or signs of all kinds by wire, fiber, radio, light, or other visual or electromagnetic means, and shall include all telephone lines, facilities, or systems used in the rendition of such service; but shall not be deemed to mean message telegram service or community antenna television system services or facilities other than those intended exclusively for educational purposes, or radio broadcasting services or facilities within the meaning of section 3(o) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended. (b) As used in this title, the term rural area shall be deemed to mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any incorporated or unincorporated city, village, or borough having a population in excess of 5000 inhabitants. [Oct. 28, 1949, ch. 776, §5, 63 Stat. 948; Oct. 23, 1962, Public Law 87-862, 76 Stat. 1140; Nov. 28, 1990, Public Law 101-624, Title XXIII, Subtitle F, ch. 2, §2354, 104 Stat. 4039; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law 103-129, §2(c)(5), 107 Stat. 1364; 7 U.S.C. 924.] Frank Muto - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more! I made a copy of the stimulus bill's complete text, just so you don't have to go searching through the Library of Congress database to find it (not that it's hard to do), here: http://images.bureau42.com/sa/stimulus.htm This is the version
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
That is not the same bill that I read. There are revisions that are not included. The new bill is 680 pages and then there is HR 1 A and HR1 B, making it a bit over 1000 pages. Victoria Proffer CEO St. Louis Broadband www.stlbroadband.com On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:01 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: Blake Bowers wrote: Are you sure that is the final bill? Reason I ask, one of the line items I have been watching is the FEMA money to build or modify fire stations. In a meeting I had with FEMA last night, they advised the amount had been cut to 210 million, yet the link you show has it at 500 million. As sure as I can be - I just cut-and-pasted the whole thing from THOMAS. (Go to thomas.loc.gov, search for bill number HR1, click Text of Legislation, then look through either of the last two revisions. Revision 6, Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate, is much easier to read, as it doesn't start with a hundred pages of strike out every last word from the previous version of this bill.) My Congress-fu is a bit weak, but I'm reasonably certain this is the version of the bill that's been signed by both branches of Congress and passed up to the President. Even if I'm wrong, there don't appear to be any major revisions in the broadband sections. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
Frank, you are correct. I spent my entire weekend on it...and ended up crosseyed ;-) Victoria On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Frank Muto frank.m...@secureemailplus.com wrote: * Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone know the precise definition of that term in this context?) Usually you need to refer to other bills for explanations and definitions. As you see in the general provisions, the Stimulus refers to the Bureau of Census, It may be easier to get the information directly from the Secretary of Agriculture, or someone who has already use such funds in the past realtive to the rural communities. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 GENERAL PROVISIONS--THIS TITLE Sec. 101. Funds appropriated by this Act and made available to the United States Department of Agriculture for broadband direct loans and loan guarantees, as authorized under title VI of the Rural Electrification Act of 1936 (7 U.S.C. 950bb) and for grants, shall be available for broadband infrastructure in any area of the United States notwithstanding title VI of the Rural Electrification Act of 1936: Provided, That at least 75 percent of the area served by the projects receiving funds from such grants, loans, or loan guarantees is in a rural area without sufficient access to high speed broadband service to facilitate rural economic development, as determined by the Secretary: Provided further, That priority for awarding funds made available under this paragraph shall be given to projects that provide service to the highest proportion of rural residents that do not have sufficient access to broadband service: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall be given to project applications that demonstrate that, if the application is approved, all project elements will be fully funded: Provided further, That priority for awarding such funds shall be given to activities that can commence promptly following approval: Provided further, That the Department shall submit a report on planned spending and actual obligations describing the use of these funds not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of this Act, and quarterly thereafter until all funds are obligated, to the Committees on Appropriations of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Rural Electrification Act of 1936 http://www.usda.gov/rus/regs/info/100-1/title_i.htm SEC. 13. DEFINITIONS.--As used in this Act the term rural area, except as provided in section 203(b), shall be deemed to mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any urban area, as defined by the Bureau of the Census, and such term shall be deemed to include both the farm and nonfarm population thereof; the term farm shall be deemed to mean a farm as defined in the publications of the Bureau of the Census, the term person shall be deemed to mean any natural person, firm, corporation, or association; the term Territory shall be deemed to include any insular possession of the United States; and the term Secretary shall be deemed to mean the Secretary of Agriculture. [May 20,1936, ch. 432, Title I, §13, 49 Stat. 1367; Oct. 28,1949, ch. 776, §2, 63 Stat. 948; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law 103-129, §2(c)(3), 107 Stat. 1363; Oct. 13, 1994, Public Law 103-354, Title II, Subtitle C, §235(a)(6), 108 Stat. 3221; 7 U.S.C.913.] SEC. 203. DEFINITION OF TELEPHONE SERVICE AND RURAL AREA.-(a) As used in this title, the term telephone service shall be deemed to mean any communication service for the transmission or reception of voice, data, sounds, signals, pictures, writing, or signs of all kinds by wire, fiber, radio, light, or other visual or electromagnetic means, and shall include all telephone lines, facilities, or systems used in the rendition of such service; but shall not be deemed to mean message telegram service or community antenna television system services or facilities other than those intended exclusively for educational purposes, or radio broadcasting services or facilities within the meaning of section 3(o) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended. (b) As used in this title, the term rural area shall be deemed to mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any incorporated or unincorporated city, village, or borough having a population in excess of 5000 inhabitants. [Oct. 28, 1949, ch. 776, §5, 63 Stat. 948; Oct. 23, 1962, Public Law 87-862, 76 Stat. 1140; Nov. 28, 1990, Public Law 101-624, Title XXIII, Subtitle F, ch. 2, §2354, 104 Stat. 4039; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law 103-129, §2(c)(5), 107 Stat. 1364; 7 U.S.C. 924.] Frank Muto - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more! I made a copy of the stimulus bill's
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
St. Louis Broadband wrote: That is not the same bill that I read. There are revisions that are not included. The new bill is 680 pages and then there is HR 1 A and HR1 B, making it a bit over 1000 pages. I think you're right, though it doesn't change the numbers too much. I always forget about the distinctions in different types of engrossed bills, and the relative silliness of how Congress handles joint-committees. I've fixed my previous link by replacing it with links to the two PDFs that make up the conferenced version of the bill. Feel free to mooch, the House Rules committee Web site has been a bit sluggish for me all day. The committee version still allocates $7.2B, just split up a bit differently. Sadly, my favorite portion of the bill, the broadband deployment tax credit, seems to have disappeared. I think I'll go start drinking now, and I apologize for all the unintended noise on the list. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
There is some important wording though. For instance, for the TOP program they included small and disadvantage businesses.I am hoping because of that, the big guys have a disadvantage over us small guys that have been out there for years. Victoria On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: St. Louis Broadband wrote: That is not the same bill that I read. There are revisions that are not included. The new bill is 680 pages and then there is HR 1 A and HR1 B, making it a bit over 1000 pages. I think you're right, though it doesn't change the numbers too much. I always forget about the distinctions in different types of engrossed bills, and the relative silliness of how Congress handles joint-committees. I've fixed my previous link by replacing it with links to the two PDFs that make up the conferenced version of the bill. Feel free to mooch, the House Rules committee Web site has been a bit sluggish for me all day. The committee version still allocates $7.2B, just split up a bit differently. Sadly, my favorite portion of the bill, the broadband deployment tax credit, seems to have disappeared. I think I'll go start drinking now, and I apologize for all the unintended noise on the list. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more!
. 13, 1994, Public Law 103-354, Title II, Subtitle C, §235(a)(6), 108 Stat. 3221; 7 U.S.C.913.] SEC. 203. DEFINITION OF TELEPHONE SERVICE AND RURAL AREA.-(a) As used in this title, the term telephone service shall be deemed to mean any communication service for the transmission or reception of voice, data, sounds, signals, pictures, writing, or signs of all kinds by wire, fiber, radio, light, or other visual or electromagnetic means, and shall include all telephone lines, facilities, or systems used in the rendition of such service; but shall not be deemed to mean message telegram service or community antenna television system services or facilities other than those intended exclusively for educational purposes, or radio broadcasting services or facilities within the meaning of section 3(o) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended. (b) As used in this title, the term rural area shall be deemed to mean any area of the United States not included within the boundaries of any incorporated or unincorporated city, village, or borough having a population in excess of 5000 inhabitants. [Oct. 28, 1949, ch. 776, §5, 63 Stat. 948; Oct. 23, 1962, Public Law 87-862, 76 Stat. 1140; Nov. 28, 1990, Public Law 101-624, Title XXIII, Subtitle F, ch. 2, §2354, 104 Stat. 4039; Nov. 1, 1993, Public Law 103-129, §2(c)(5), 107 Stat. 1364; 7 U.S.C. 924.] Frank Muto - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: [WISPA] Let's talk about that stimulus some more! I made a copy of the stimulus bill's complete text, just so you don't have to go searching through the Library of Congress database to find it (not that it's hard to do), here: http://images.bureau42.com/sa/stimulus.htm This is the version that both the House and Senate have passed, and which will almost certainly be signed by President Obama today. You find the most interesting things just by keyword-searching for broadband * The mad money totals an even seven billion dollars, which is only available until September 2010. * The Department of Agriculture, who have been somewhat friendly to WISPs in the past, appears to get control of most of that money. * Half of the original $7B is designated for rural communities (anyone know the precise definition of that term in this context?) * Within one year, the FCC is mandated to complete a rulemaking to develop a national broadband plan. /* There will be a new IRS tax credit for broadband: 10% of your expenses if you provide current-generation service (which means 5Mbps down/1Mbps up for wireline, 3Mbps down/768kbps up for wireless), 20% for next-generation service (100Mbps down/20Mbps up, regardless of medium), for gear deployed between 1/1/09 and 12/31/11./ Remember to say please and thank-you to your accountant. Even if you don't like taking grant money, think it's inappropriate for the government to give it away, whatever, the tax credit looks promising. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
