Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
It's a 100Mbps full duplex link... an upconverted 23GHz link if anything. Don't confuse it with Snaplink... those things are junk Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:26 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
Its big brother, which isn't that much more... has fiber interfaces... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer, It's a great unit, mount its not that bad. Ours is going half mile. 98 Mbps Fdx Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
Why only 85Mbps? I figured they'd do a full 100. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
What are your thoughts about the impact of rain and snow on the 24 GHz signal? On 11/23/09 2:23 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Why only 85Mbps? I figured they'd do a full 100. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer, It's a great unit, mount its not that bad. Ours is going half mile. 98 Mbps Fdx Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
We have a Ceragon 23Ghz OC3 link up that is power leveled to -50 with 10db of power at .15 mile using a 1' antenna and 2' antenna. The link has ATPC and uses it...that should give you an idea how quickly 23-24GHz will fade in some parts of the country! lol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:33 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio What are your thoughts about the impact of rain and snow on the 24 GHz signal? On 11/23/09 2:23 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Why only 85Mbps? I figured they'd do a full 100. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
I've never seen the Ligo 24Ghz radios...just based my OFDM comment on what Matt said in his initial post: The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. So, if the radio set isn't OFDM then why does it have OFDM statistics? Did you also pay $8k for a 85-98Mbps radio set? Still seems really high when compared to Trango Apex that can produce 100Mbps to nearly 400Mbps for not much more money. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer, It's a great unit, mount its not that bad. Ours is going half mile. 98 Mbps Fdx Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
This is not your typical OFDM radio set - the back end is a licensed type radio setup to run in 24ghz. I'm not that worried about rain fade around here. Western Nebraska used to be considered part of the Great American Desert - so heavy rain or snow is not a regular occurrence. I've got two other wireless links that get back to that location from other places, so if it does drop out, I can cover it. FWIW, the 85meg testing was not the rigorous testing that many do - I just did a simple tcp test between the RB1000 routers on both sides to see what speeds I would get. My guess is that the RB1000s are the limitation, not the radio. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Brad Belton wrote: I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
How much are the Apex units? Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I've never seen the Ligo 24Ghz radios...just based my OFDM comment on what Matt said in his initial post: The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. So, if the radio set isn't OFDM then why does it have OFDM statistics? Did you also pay $8k for a 85-98Mbps radio set? Still seems really high when compared to Trango Apex that can produce 100Mbps to nearly 400Mbps for not much more money. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer, It's a great unit, mount its not that bad. Ours is going half mile. 98 Mbps Fdx Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
We paid a bit less, A trango solution would have cost us $4k-5k more (including FCC fees). We just needed 50 Mbps on this link, if we grow it pass that, we would go licensed and move the 24 ghz someplace else! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:56 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I've never seen the Ligo 24Ghz radios...just based my OFDM comment on what Matt said in his initial post: The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. So, if the radio set isn't OFDM then why does it have OFDM statistics? Did you also pay $8k for a 85-98Mbps radio set? Still seems really high when compared to Trango Apex that can produce 100Mbps to nearly 400Mbps for not much more money. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer, It's a great unit, mount its not that bad. Ours is going half mile. 98 Mbps Fdx Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
Ha! If only you knew just how funny that question really is...as I shuffle through my most recent stack of Trango quotes. grin Seriously, I think the Trango Apex radios start in the $8k range and go up from there. Trango has run specials on their radios offering them at times for even less than $8k. We've been a Trango customer since the BETA inception of their Sunstream radios and while we have not been afraid to criticize Trango when needed we have been pretty damn loyal! YMMV...give them a call and find out who your Trango sales rep is. I know you won't be disappointed with the product as it does perform as advertised. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio How much are the Apex units? Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I've never seen the Ligo 24Ghz radios...just based my OFDM comment on what Matt said in his initial post: The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. So, if the radio set isn't OFDM then why does it have OFDM statistics? Did you also pay $8k for a 85-98Mbps radio set? Still seems really high when compared to Trango Apex that can produce 100Mbps to nearly 400Mbps for not much more money. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer, It's a great unit, mount its not that bad. Ours is going half mile. 98 Mbps Fdx Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
