Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
I'd advise against Yagi's as APs if you live anywhere there is even minor ICE buildup. The last thing you want is your network going down every time there is freezing rain, when the antennas are up a tower. Also more likely the Crows will use your Yagi as their hangout sitting spot. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. I know for a fact at least one person on the other list you and I share is doing it. It was suggested to me a few months ago. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Is anyone here currently using 3 YAGI's to achieve 360 degree coverage > with > 3 Canopy 900 radio's? How is this working for you? > > Reason I am asking is because the 3 sectors are so huge that the windload > on > the tower is too much and looking for alternatives. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:53 PM > To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol > SectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. > > SuperPass is an excellent antenna brand. The founder has several unique > patents in antenna technologies, that other antenna manufacturers would > love > > to get their hands on. There are several uique end results they offer... > 1) > They tend to make it possible to make "shorter" antennas for similar gain. > For example with 5.x sectors, the make some of the most compact sector > antennas on the market. 2) They can make them very cost effectively, and > still have them perform well. These are great for repeaters, where there > is > > a low budget, and cosmetics and size is a concern, and closer to the > ground > where less durable mounts are perfectly acceptable. > > Now everybody cant be everthing to everybody. Just like anything else > in > > this industry, and Provider needs to define what they need and pick an > antenna that matches their specific need. SuperPass is NOT a MTI antenna, > they really serve two different market segments. > > MTIs are EXPENSIVE and LARGE and HEAVY, the exact opposite of a Superpass > antenna. Of course the MTI is going to outperform the Superpass in most > cases. The MTI was purpose built to get optimal RF characteristics out of > the technology, and the trade off is expense, size, and weight. But the > MTI > makes a VERY high quality antenna, if not one of the very best, from the > perspective of RF pattern, isolation, and sturdiness. > > In 900Mhz, our personal favorite are the Tiltek sector antennas. We like > them because they have excellent front to back isolation and quick drop on > beamwidth edge comparatively, have rock solid mounting hardware thats easy > to adjust, and priced a bot lower than other high end antennas. We find > Winncom to be a good source for these, although I'm sure there are other > good sources. The Tilteks have both a Dual Pol and Single pol options. I > dont think its possible to buy a better antenna. Again, with quality, also > comes size. This is a 4ft by 1.5ft antenna at about 10db for 120deg. > (Thats > > not exact db spec) > > There also becomes a convenience factor to consider. We Almost always use > the Trango built in antennas when we can, and I've heard that people using > Canopy are happy with the Canopy brand integrated 900Sector. > > When the sectors quality reallty starts to matter is when trying to > colocatemultiple antennas near each other to get full 360 degrees. > With the Tilteks, we can get 3 120degree sectors of the same polarity > colocated without self interference (meaning all on adjacent channels), > fasten directly to a Guyed tower structure (meaning very little horizontal > seperation, maybe 3ft) if we put about 15ft of verticle seperation > between > each antenna. > > Originally, we put them back to back, which worked way better than the > other > > native antennas could. The excellent F/B ratio and tight beamwidth made > that > > possible. But as our buildout grew, and we had more links and varyin
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
What gain of YAGI are you using? You didn't say how well it was working or not either. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. I know for a fact at least one person on the other list you and I share is doing it. It was suggested to me a few months ago. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." --- Winston Churchill On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Is anyone here currently using 3 YAGI's to achieve 360 degree coverage with > 3 Canopy 900 radio's? How is this working for you? > > Reason I am asking is because the 3 sectors are so huge that the windload > on > the tower is too much and looking for alternatives. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:53 PM > To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol > SectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. > > SuperPass is an excellent antenna brand. The founder has several unique > patents in antenna technologies, that other antenna manufacturers would > love > > to get their hands on. There are several uique end results they offer... 1) > They tend to make it possible to make "shorter" antennas for similar gain. > For example with 5.x sectors, the make some of the most compact sector > antennas on the market. 2) They can make them very cost effectively, and > still have them perform well. These are great for repeaters, where there > is > > a low budget, and cosmetics and size is a concern, and closer to the ground > where less durable mounts are perfectly acceptable. > > Now everybody cant be everthing to everybody. Just like anything else > in > > this industry, and Provider needs to define what they need and pick an > antenna that matches their specific need. SuperPass is NOT a MTI antenna, > they really serve two different market segments. > > MTIs are EXPENSIVE and LARGE and HEAVY, the exact opposite of a Superpass > antenna. Of course the MTI is going to outperform the Superpass in most > cases. The MTI was purpose built to get optimal RF characteristics out of > the technology, and the trade off is expense, size, and weight. But the MTI > makes a VERY high quality antenna, if not one of the very best, from the > perspective of RF pattern, isolation, and sturdiness. > > In 900Mhz, our personal favorite are the Tiltek sector antennas. We like > them because they have excellent front to back isolation and quick drop on > beamwidth edge comparatively, have rock solid mounting hardware thats easy > to adjust, and priced a bot lower than other high end antennas. We find > Winncom to be a good source for these, although I'm sure there are other > good sources. The Tilteks have both a Dual Pol and Single pol options. I > dont think its possible to buy a better antenna. Again, with quality, also > comes size. This is a 4ft by 1.5ft antenna at about 10db for 120deg. > (Thats > > not exact db spec) > > There also becomes a convenience factor to consider. We Almost always use > the Trango built in antennas when we can, and I've heard that people using > Canopy are happy with the Canopy brand integrated 900Sector. > > When the sectors quality reallty starts to matter is when trying to > colocatemultiple antennas near each other to get full 360 degrees. > With the Tilteks, we can get 3 120degree sectors of the same polarity > colocated without self interference (meaning all on adjacent channels), > fasten directly to a Guyed tower structure (meaning very little horizontal > seperation, maybe 3ft) if we put about 15ft of verticle seperation between > each antenna. > > Originally, we put them back to back, which worked way better than the > other > > native antennas could. The excellent F/B ratio and tight beamwidth made > that > > possible. But as our buildout grew, and we had more links and varying > signal strengths, and more close to beamwidth edges than others, we > recognized a clear improvement when we added the verticle seperation also. > >
Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........
What about the front to back ratio with the yagis? That's really gotta suck unless you're going with 5mhz channels. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. I know for a fact at least one person on the other list you and I share is doing it. It was suggested to me a few months ago. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Is anyone here currently using 3 YAGI's to achieve 360 degree coverage > with > 3 Canopy 900 radio's? How is this working for you? > > Reason I am asking is because the 3 sectors are so huge that the windload > on > the tower is too much and looking for alternatives. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:53 PM > To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol > SectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related. > > SuperPass is an excellent antenna brand. The founder has several unique > patents in antenna technologies, that other antenna manufacturers would > love > > to get their hands on. There are several uique end results they offer... > 1) > They tend to make it possible to make "shorter" antennas for similar gain. > For example with 5.x sectors, the make some of the most compact sector > antennas on the market. 2) They can make them very cost effectively, and > still have them perform well. These are great for repeaters, where there > is > > a low budget, and cosmetics and size is a concern, and closer to the > ground > where less durable mounts are perfectly acceptable. > > Now everybody cant be everthing to everybody. Just like anything else > in > > this industry, and Provider needs to define what they need and pick an > antenna that matches their specific need. SuperPass is NOT a MTI antenna, > they really serve two different market segments. > > MTIs are EXPENSIVE and LARGE and HEAVY, the exact opposite of a Superpass > antenna. Of course the MTI is going to outperform the Superpass in most > cases. The MTI was purpose built to get optimal RF characteristics out of > the technology, and the trade off is expense, size, and weight. But the > MTI > makes a VERY high quality antenna, if not one of the very best, from the > perspective of RF pattern, isolation, and sturdiness. > > In 900Mhz, our personal favorite are the Tiltek sector antennas. We like > them because they have excellent front to back isolation and quick drop on > beamwidth edge comparatively, have rock solid mounting hardware thats easy > to adjust, and priced a bot lower than other high end antennas. We find > Winncom to be a good source for these, although I'm sure there are other > good sources. The Tilteks have both a Dual Pol and Single pol options. I > dont think its possible to buy a better antenna. Again, with quality, also > comes size. This is a 4ft by 1.5ft antenna at about 10db for 120deg. > (Thats > > not exact db spec) > > There also becomes a convenience factor to consider. We Almost always use > the Trango built in antennas when we can, and I've heard that people using > Canopy are happy with the Canopy brand integrated 900Sector. > > When the sectors quality reallty starts to matter is when trying to > colocatemultiple antennas near each other to get full 360 degrees. > With the Tilteks, we can get 3 120degree sectors of the same polarity > colocated without self interference (meaning all on adjacent channels), > fasten directly to a Guyed tower structure (meaning very little horizontal > seperation, maybe 3ft) if we put about 15ft of verticle seperation > between > each antenna. > > Originally, we put them back to back, which worked way better than the > other > > native antennas could. The excellent F/B ratio and tight beamwidth made > that > > possible. But as our buildout grew, and we had more links and varying > signal strengths, and more close to beamwidth edges than others, we > recognized a clear improvement when we added the verticle seperation also. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless
