[WISPA] MT interface bonding
Will bonding interfaces of 2 Rocket M5 Dish units result in full duplex transmission? We are needing to increase the backhaul throughput of one of our links. The obvious answer is to convert to a licensed full duplex unit (which we plan to do) but in the meantime to get by will bonding interfaces fix our issue? We are getting about 45-50 mbps duplex mode on a single unit (using the built in speed test), if we bond two we are assuming that we will see 90-100mbps and hopefully full duplex instead of half. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding
No. For a secondary radio or backup connection only. You can't even control it. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFihttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT interface bonding Will bonding interfaces of 2 Rocket M5 Dish units result in full duplex transmission? We are needing to increase the backhaul throughput of one of our links. The obvious answer is to convert to a licensed full duplex unit (which we plan to do) but in the meantime to get by will bonding interfaces fix our issue? We are getting about 45-50 mbps duplex mode on a single unit (using the built in speed test), if we bond two we are assuming that we will see 90-100mbps and hopefully full duplex instead of half. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding
No. You will need to set one up as tx and one as rx. Bonding just uses them both for tx/rx. The best way that I know to do this is with OSPF and Mikrotik. That way one link is always tx and the other is rx. http://stfunoo.be/?p=696 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Will bonding interfaces of 2 Rocket M5 Dish units result in full duplex transmission? We are needing to increase the backhaul throughput of one of our links. The obvious answer is to convert to a licensed full duplex unit (which we plan to do) but in the meantime to get by will bonding interfaces fix our issue? We are getting about 45-50 mbps duplex mode on a single unit (using the built in speed test), if we bond two we are assuming that we will see 90-100mbps and hopefully full duplex instead of half. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding
As far as performance is concerned which will offer the better end result? Bonding or routing the interfaces? Can you elaborate on how to use ospf to create dedicated tx / rx interfaces? We use ospf currently to facilitate a self-healing network. Thanks for the help and advice :) Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding No. You will need to set one up as tx and one as rx. Bonding just uses them both for tx/rx. The best way that I know to do this is with OSPF and Mikrotik. That way one link is always tx and the other is rx. http://stfunoo.be/?p=696 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Will bonding interfaces of 2 Rocket M5 Dish units result in full duplex transmission? We are needing to increase the backhaul throughput of one of our links. The obvious answer is to convert to a licensed full duplex unit (which we plan to do) but in the meantime to get by will bonding interfaces fix our issue? We are getting about 45-50 mbps duplex mode on a single unit (using the built in speed test), if we bond two we are assuming that we will see 90-100mbps and hopefully full duplex instead of half. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding
Since bonding would require the bridges be WDS, I would suggest routing would offer a bit more speed. The OSPF on your network won't matter, just be sure not to overlap subnets. What you do is set the costs so one link is always tx while the other is rx. The link details how to do it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: As far as performance is concerned which will offer the better end result? Bonding or routing the interfaces? Can you elaborate on how to use ospf to create dedicated tx / rx interfaces? We use ospf currently to facilitate a self-healing network. Thanks for the help and advice :) Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding No. You will need to set one up as tx and one as rx. Bonding just uses them both for tx/rx. The best way that I know to do this is with OSPF and Mikrotik. That way one link is always tx and the other is rx. http://stfunoo.be/?p=696 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Will bonding interfaces of 2 Rocket M5 Dish units result in full duplex transmission? We are needing to increase the backhaul throughput of one of our links. The obvious answer is to convert to a licensed full duplex unit (which we plan to do) but in the meantime to get by will bonding interfaces fix our issue? We are getting about 45-50 mbps duplex mode on a single unit (using the built in speed test), if we bond two we are assuming that we will see 90-100mbps and hopefully full duplex instead of half. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 09:44 -0600, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: As far as performance is concerned which will offer the better end result? Bonding or routing the interfaces? Can you elaborate on how to use ospf to create dedicated tx / rx interfaces? We use ospf currently to facilitate a self-healing network. If you are already running OSPF, you can use this: http://blog.butchevans.com/2008/10/using-ospf-to-create-full-duplex-behaviour-for-wireless-links/ Adding a second path will add SOME bandwidth, but it will not be likely to double the throughput. Bonding, on the other hand, will double the throughput, but will not be full duplex behavior. There are examples of bonding on Mikrotik's wiki that may be of use. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding
Which would give the better experience? When I run duplex speed test with Rocket M5 I see 36ish Up and 45ish down. When I run transmit only (which would equate to down) I see 70 mbps. Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 09:44 -0600, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: As far as performance is concerned which will offer the better end result? Bonding or routing the interfaces? Can you elaborate on how to use ospf to create dedicated tx / rx interfaces? We use ospf currently to facilitate a self-healing network. If you are already running OSPF, you can use this: http://blog.butchevans.com/2008/10/using-ospf-to-create-full-duplex-behaviour-for-wireless-links/ Adding a second path will add SOME bandwidth, but it will not be likely to double the throughput. Bonding, on the other hand, will double the throughput, but will not be full duplex behavior. There are examples of bonding on Mikrotik's wiki that may be of use. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding
Thats the radio duplex to blame. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 14, 2011 1:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Which would give the better experience? When I run duplex speed test with Rocket M5 I see 36ish Up and 45ish down. When I run transmit only (which would equate to down) I see 70 mbps. Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 09:44 -0600, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: As far as performance is concerned which will offer the better end result? Bonding or routing the interfaces? Can you elaborate on how to use ospf to create dedicated tx / rx interfaces? We use ospf currently to facilitate a self-healing network. If you are already running OSPF, you can use this: http://blog.butchevans.com/2008/10/using-ospf-to-create-full-duplex-behaviour-for-wireless-links/ Adding a second path will add SOME bandwidth, but it will not be likely to double the throughput. Bonding, on the other hand, will double the throughput, but will not be full duplex behavior. There are examples of bonding on Mikrotik's wiki that may be of use. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding
Right, so what I am thinking is if I run routed full duplex my download should go to 70mbps and my latency should drop based on my speed tests if I am understanding this right. One other question, I understand how to configure the routers except for one thing, this will be at our core backhaul just before it enters our fiber, so it is the default route for internet traffic on one of the routers. Should I add a second MT to handle the OSPF and then plug ether3 of that router into the main MT router, or can I somehow send my traffic from the two routed interfaces to the default route? I hope this makes sense J Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding Thats the radio duplex to blame. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 14, 2011 1:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Which would give the better experience? When I run duplex speed test with Rocket M5 I see 36ish Up and 45ish down. When I run transmit only (which would equate to down) I see 70 mbps. Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 tel:%28918%29%20235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 09:44 -0600, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: As far as performance is concerned which will offer the better end result? Bonding or routing the interfaces? Can you elaborate on how to use ospf to create dedicated tx / rx interfaces? We use ospf currently to facilitate a self-healing network. If you are already running OSPF, you can use this: http://blog.butchevans.com/2008/10/using-ospf-to-create-full-duplex-beha viour-for-wireless-links/ Adding a second path will add SOME bandwidth, but it will not be likely to double the throughput. Bonding, on the other hand, will double the throughput, but will not be full duplex behavior. There are examples of bonding on Mikrotik's wiki that may be of use. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding
If you follow my documentation correctly, the two Mikrotik ether1 ports will act like a transparent bridge, so more like a PTP600 (in the ethernet not screwing with MACs, going above layer 2 sense). If you just have one backhaul between fiber and core router, being the link discussed here, there isn't a reason to get complicated. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Right, so what I am thinking is if I run routed full duplex my download should go to 70mbps and my latency should drop based on my speed tests if I am understanding this right. One other question, I understand how to configure the routers except for one thing, this will be at our core backhaul just before it enters our fiber, so it is the default route for internet traffic on one of the routers. Should I add a second MT to handle the OSPF and then plug ether3 of that router into the main MT router, or can I somehow send my traffic from the two routed interfaces to the default route? I hope this makes sense J Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding Thats the radio duplex to blame. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 14, 2011 1:17 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: Which would give the better experience? When I run duplex speed test with Rocket M5 I see 36ish Up and 45ish down. When I run transmit only (which would equate to down) I see 70 mbps. Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 09:44 -0600, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: As far as performance is concerned which will offer the better end result? Bonding or routing the interfaces? Can you elaborate on how to use ospf to create dedicated tx / rx interfaces? We use ospf currently to facilitate a self-healing network. If you are already running OSPF, you can use this: http://blog.butchevans.com/2008/10/using-ospf-to-create-full-duplex-behaviour-for-wireless-links/ Adding a second path will add SOME bandwidth, but it will not be likely to double the throughput. Bonding, on the other hand, will double the throughput, but will not be full duplex behavior. There are examples of bonding on Mikrotik's wiki that may be of use. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] MT interface bonding
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 12:17 -0600, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote: Which would give the better experience? It depends on what you need. If more it's just more throughput, then either will likely give you what you need. Both can give you failover capability. OSPF will act more like FDX, though it is not true FDX. My advice is to use what you're most comfortable with from the technical perspective. OSPF uses path cost to simulate the FDX behavior. Bonding uses a round robin approach and failure detection to aggregate traffic over the links. I've done both and both work well. -- * Butch Evans* Professional Network Consultation * * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE!* * NOTE THE NEW PHONE NUMBER: 702-537-0979 * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
