Re: [WISPA] Marketing ( was Re: Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update)

2011-04-08 Thread Chuck Hogg
I can order metro fiber from ATT for less.

On Friday, April 8, 2011, John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote:







 Smart marketing goes a long way. I know of a company that was
 basically getting a 3 x T-1 pushed its way because ATT wanted
 to sell it to them. Wow, for only $700 per month you can have 4.5
 Megabits per second. We told them go ask about Fiber. By going
 through a reseller, they were able to get ATT to install a 10
 meg x 10 meg fiber connection for $973 per month. Of course the
 equipment is 100 meg port and they are actually getting about 20 +
 meg both directions, and are VERY happy with this arrangement. Of
 course if The TW Telecom rep had actually wanted to sell the
 product, they could have had 100 meg over fiber to their site for
 about $1400 per month. The fiber is literally in the street outside
 their building, but the TW Telecom guy didn't want to sell it.

 A fellow Network Engineer has 1.5 meg / 384 k ADSL to his house.
 According to ATT's website, for $45 he can get 6 meg / 768 k +
 5 static IP addresses for $45 per month.  After having ATT
 *hang up* on him 3 times, hes has decided to drop ATT and look
 at other alternatives.

 John


 On 4/5/2011 9:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:


   You can always upgrade More!

   The key central question is ... how to 'Capitalize' on it  and
   make some Money.

   There are always two ways the Market move .. Either PUSH (try to
   sell your excess capacity on the network , making it attractive ,
   lower the selling price, while increasing margins ... or Packaging
   your products differently for a different Target Market).

   or PULL .. where the customers are knocking on your doors to
   demand more.

   So.. here is bit of Challenge for All of US, including Rick 
   Travis

   If we have the capacity to deliver the high bandwidth to our
   customers.. and in our market place the Phone Company is still
   selling T1' s and Metro Ethernet's  like hot cakes.. then there is
   only one possible conclusion .

   We need to Review our products / pricing / packaging strategy...
   since we are leaving a LOT on the Table..

   now, if you tell me that in your / our market place.. the Telco's
   are hurting in business because folks are lining up purchase your
   / our circuits.. .then and only then I can say you are starting to
   'saturate' your territory.. time to expand and break new ground.

   Some Food For Thought..

   Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet  Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, Fl 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net

   On 4/6/2011 12:08 AM, RickG wrote:
   +100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I
 cant anymore but 90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or
 3Mbps!

 On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis
   Johnson t...@ida.net
   wrote:
   The other question is how much do you
 pay for the service? It all comes
 down to price.

 I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to
 anyone that
 wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it...
 ;)

 Travis
 Microserv



 On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
  It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given
 by cable companies is throttled to sustained download
 speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
 
  That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the
 technology has come so far for mobile cellular data that
 we are now unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to
 fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it
 this way, how many WISPs can deliver up-to speeds of
 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the middle of a
 concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
 
  -Charles
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
  Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
  To: 'WISPA General List'
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
 
  I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I
 was getting 20 Mbps down
  and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
  I only get that in speedtests and never when I have
 to upload or download a
  big file via FTP or whatever.
  It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or
   

[WISPA] Marketing ( was Re: Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update)

2011-04-07 Thread John Thomas
Smart marketing goes a long way. I know of a company that was basically 
getting a 3 x T-1 pushed its way because ATT wanted to sell it to them. 
Wow, for only $700 per month you can have 4.5 Megabits per second. We 
told them go ask about Fiber. By going through a reseller, they were 
able to get ATT to install a 10 meg x 10 meg fiber connection for $973 
per month. Of course the equipment is 100 meg port and they are actually 
getting about 20 + meg both directions, and are VERY happy with this 
arrangement. Of course if The TW Telecom rep had actually wanted to sell 
the product, they could have had 100 meg over fiber to their site for 
about $1400 per month. The fiber is literally in the street outside 
their building, but the TW Telecom guy didn't want to sell it.


A fellow Network Engineer has 1.5 meg / 384 k ADSL to his house. 
According to ATT's website, for $45 he can get 6 meg / 768 k + 5 static 
IP addresses for $45 per month.  After having ATT *hang up* on him 3 
times, hes has decided to drop ATT and look at other alternatives.


John


On 4/5/2011 9:19 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

You can always upgrade More!

The key central question is ... how to 'Capitalize' on it  and make 
some Money.


There are always two ways the Market move .. Either PUSH (try to sell 
your excess capacity on the network , making it attractive , lower the 
selling price, while increasing margins ... or Packaging your products 
differently for a different Target Market).


or PULL .. where the customers are knocking on your doors to demand more.

So.. here is bit of Challenge for All of US, including Rick  Travis

If we have the capacity to deliver the high bandwidth to our 
customers.. and in our market place the Phone Company is still selling 
T1' s and Metro Ethernet's  like hot cakes.. then there is only one 
possible conclusion .


We need to Review our products / pricing / packaging strategy... since 
we are leaving a LOT on the Table..


now, if you tell me that in your / our market place.. the Telco's are 
hurting in business because folks are lining up purchase your / our 
circuits.. .then and only then I can say you are starting to 
'saturate' your territory.. time to expand and break new ground.


Some Food For Thought..

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, Fl 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email:supp...@snappydsl.net

On 4/6/2011 12:08 AM, RickG wrote:
+100%! I've upgraded my network to the point that I cant anymore but 
90% of the customers are fine with 1.5 or 3Mbps!


On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net 
mailto:t...@ida.net wrote:


The other question is how much do you pay for the service? It all
comes
down to price.

I can deliver 10Mbps x 10Mbps up to 300Mbps x 300Mbps to anyone that
wants it... however, most people don't want to pay for it... ;)

Travis
Microserv


On 4/5/2011 5:37 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
 It's generally known that the 20 Mb burst given by cable
companies is throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb
range

 That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology
has come so far for mobile cellular data that we are now
unconsciously comparing it side-by-side to fixed terrestrial
broadband technologies (think of it this way, how many WISPs can
deliver up-to speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power handset in the
middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)

 -Charles

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
 To: 'WISPA General List'
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

 I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting
20 Mbps down
 and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
 I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload
or download a
 big file via FTP or whatever.
 It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.

 ~V~

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Charles Wu
 Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

 Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected
to wireless
 router on phone

 http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png

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