Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Josh Luthman]

Not sure, was a guess.
On Nov 15, 2010 7:42 PM, "Butch Evans"  wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 19:13 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> In terms of requests? Can you add ether1 to multiple bridges, put one
>> dhcpc on each bridge?
>
> Unless this has changed, an interface cannot be on more than one bridge.
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Butch Evans]

On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 19:13 -0500, Josh Luthman wrote:
> In terms of requests?  Can you add ether1 to multiple bridges, put one
> dhcpc on each bridge?

Unless this has changed, an interface cannot be on more than one bridge.

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Blake Covarrubias]

I think you guys are overlooking his statement that he does not control the 
DHCP server, and was looking to add multiple DHCP *clients* on a single 
interface using the same MAC in the DHCP requests. 

A few of us have stated multiple times is not currently possible with MikroTik. 
The solution is really to support DHCP client ID's, but as I stated MikroTik 
does not currently have this functionality.

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On Nov 15, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:

> I think Chupaka has posted on the MikroTik forms about having luck doing
> by turning RADIUS on for DHCP requests, and then setting up a freeradius
> server to handle the assignments.  You can set up freeradius to match
> just about anything.  Not the easiest thing in the world, but...
> 
> -Kristian
> 
> On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 16:33 -0700, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
>> A bit more detail…Matt also needs both DHCP clients to operate from the same 
>> source MAC address.
>> 
>> I sent him a solution that uses two MAC addresses on the same physical port 
>> and does not involve VLANs, although its obviously of no use because it does 
>> not meet his requirements.
>> 
>> What MikroTik needs is the ability to specify DHCP Client ID's when creating 
>> DHCP client instances. Most servers support using client ID's to identify 
>> hosts so this would be an acceptable way to issue two IPs to a single MAC as 
>> the client ID would be the identifier between the two.
>> 
>> --
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>> 
>> On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> 
>>> In this instance, I have no control upstream beyond the mikrotik
>>> 
>>> On 11/15/2010 03:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 You can only have 1 dhcp server port per interface.  You'll need to do 
 vlans.
 
 On Nov 15, 2010 6:12 PM, "Matt Jenkins"  wrote:
> Ok simplification of what I need to do. I need to get more than 1 DHCP 
> address on the same physical ethernet port I can assign more than 1 
> static address, so why not more than 1 dynamic address?
> 
> On 11/02/2010 01:15 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> How do I create a subinterface on an ethernet port on a rb750?
>> 
>> Bridged CPE -> Tik Port1 -> Port2 Cust 1
>> -> Port3 Cust 2
>> 
>> I need to create two sub interfaces on Port 1. One for each customer to
>> receive an IP via DHCP. Then I need to NAT each of those sub interfaces
>> to each of cooresponding customer interfaces.
>> 
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>> 
>> - Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Blake Covarrubias]

You cannot add a single interface to multiple bridge's.

My failed solution I provided to Matt did involve adding ether1 to a bridge, 
then setting auto-mac=no and admin-mac on the bridge to something other than 
ether1.

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On Nov 15, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

> In terms of requests?  Can you add ether1 to multiple bridges, put one dhcpc 
> on each bridge?
> 
> On Nov 15, 2010 7:00 PM, "Butch Evans"  wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 15:23 -0800, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> >> In this instance, I have no control upstream beyond the mikrotik
> > 
> > You cannot do multiple dhcp-clients, either (which is what you'd need).
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Kristian Hoffmann]

I think Chupaka has posted on the MikroTik forms about having luck doing
by turning RADIUS on for DHCP requests, and then setting up a freeradius
server to handle the assignments.  You can set up freeradius to match
just about anything.  Not the easiest thing in the world, but...

-Kristian

On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 16:33 -0700, Blake Covarrubias wrote:
> A bit more detail…Matt also needs both DHCP clients to operate from the same 
> source MAC address.
> 
> I sent him a solution that uses two MAC addresses on the same physical port 
> and does not involve VLANs, although its obviously of no use because it does 
> not meet his requirements.
> 
> What MikroTik needs is the ability to specify DHCP Client ID's when creating 
> DHCP client instances. Most servers support using client ID's to identify 
> hosts so this would be an acceptable way to issue two IPs to a single MAC as 
> the client ID would be the identifier between the two.
> 
> --
> Blake Covarrubias
> 
> On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> 
> > In this instance, I have no control upstream beyond the mikrotik
> > 
> > On 11/15/2010 03:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> You can only have 1 dhcp server port per interface.  You'll need to do 
> >> vlans.
> >> 
> >> On Nov 15, 2010 6:12 PM, "Matt Jenkins"  wrote:
> >> > Ok simplification of what I need to do. I need to get more than 1 DHCP 
> >> > address on the same physical ethernet port I can assign more than 1 
> >> > static address, so why not more than 1 dynamic address?
> >> > 
> >> > On 11/02/2010 01:15 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> >> >> How do I create a subinterface on an ethernet port on a rb750?
> >> >>
> >> >> Bridged CPE -> Tik Port1 -> Port2 Cust 1
> >> >> -> Port3 Cust 2
> >> >>
> >> >> I need to create two sub interfaces on Port 1. One for each customer to
> >> >> receive an IP via DHCP. Then I need to NAT each of those sub interfaces
> >> >> to each of cooresponding customer interfaces.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >>
> >> >> - Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Josh Luthman]

In terms of requests?  Can you add ether1 to multiple bridges, put one dhcpc
on each bridge?
On Nov 15, 2010 7:00 PM, "Butch Evans"  wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 15:23 -0800, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> In this instance, I have no control upstream beyond the mikrotik
>
> You cannot do multiple dhcp-clients, either (which is what you'd need).
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Butch Evans]

On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 15:23 -0800, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> In this instance, I have no control upstream beyond the mikrotik

You cannot do multiple dhcp-clients, either (which is what you'd need).

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[chris]

You can have multiple pools to dish to people. I do this in my shop, my 
computers that are being worked on get an ip out of the default pool, but I 
set static computers to be dished an ip out of a different pool. For what 
it's worth...

Chris

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

A bit more detail…Matt also needs both DHCP clients to operate from the same 
source MAC address.

I sent him a solution that uses two MAC addresses on the same physical port 
and does not involve VLANs, although its obviously of no use because it does 
not meet his requirements.

What MikroTik needs is the ability to specify DHCP Client ID's when creating 
DHCP client instances. Most servers support using client ID's to identify 
hosts so this would be an acceptable way to issue two IPs to a single MAC as 
the client ID would be the identifier between the two.

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On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

> In this instance, I have no control upstream beyond the mikrotik
>
> On 11/15/2010 03:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> You can only have 1 dhcp server port per interface.  You'll need to do 
>> vlans.
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2010 6:12 PM, "Matt Jenkins"  
>> wrote:
>> > Ok simplification of what I need to do. I need to get more than 1 DHCP
>> > address on the same physical ethernet port I can assign more than 1
>> > static address, so why not more than 1 dynamic address?
>> >
>> > On 11/02/2010 01:15 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> >> How do I create a subinterface on an ethernet port on a rb750?
>> >>
>> >> Bridged CPE -> Tik Port1 -> Port2 Cust 1
>> >> -> Port3 Cust 2
>> >>
>> >> I need to create two sub interfaces on Port 1. One for each customer 
>> >> to
>> >> receive an IP via DHCP. Then I need to NAT each of those sub 
>> >> interfaces
>> >> to each of cooresponding customer interfaces.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> - Matt
>> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Blake Covarrubias]

A bit more detail…Matt also needs both DHCP clients to operate from the same 
source MAC address.

I sent him a solution that uses two MAC addresses on the same physical port and 
does not involve VLANs, although its obviously of no use because it does not 
meet his requirements.

What MikroTik needs is the ability to specify DHCP Client ID's when creating 
DHCP client instances. Most servers support using client ID's to identify hosts 
so this would be an acceptable way to issue two IPs to a single MAC as the 
client ID would be the identifier between the two.

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On Nov 15, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

> In this instance, I have no control upstream beyond the mikrotik
> 
> On 11/15/2010 03:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> You can only have 1 dhcp server port per interface.  You'll need to do vlans.
>> 
>> On Nov 15, 2010 6:12 PM, "Matt Jenkins"  wrote:
>> > Ok simplification of what I need to do. I need to get more than 1 DHCP 
>> > address on the same physical ethernet port I can assign more than 1 
>> > static address, so why not more than 1 dynamic address?
>> > 
>> > On 11/02/2010 01:15 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> >> How do I create a subinterface on an ethernet port on a rb750?
>> >>
>> >> Bridged CPE -> Tik Port1 -> Port2 Cust 1
>> >> -> Port3 Cust 2
>> >>
>> >> I need to create two sub interfaces on Port 1. One for each customer to
>> >> receive an IP via DHCP. Then I need to NAT each of those sub interfaces
>> >> to each of cooresponding customer interfaces.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> - Matt
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Matt Jenkins]

In this instance, I have no control upstream beyond the mikrotik

On 11/15/2010 03:16 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  You can only have 1 dhcp server port per interface.  You'll need
to do vlans.
  On Nov 15, 2010 6:12 PM, "Matt Jenkins" 
wrote:
> Ok simplification of what I need to do. I need to get more than 1
DHCP 
> address on the same physical ethernet port I can assign more
than 1 
> static address, so why not more than 1 dynamic address?
> 
> On 11/02/2010 01:15 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> How do I create a subinterface on an ethernet port on a rb750?
>>
>> Bridged CPE -> Tik Port1 -> Port2 Cust 1
>> -> Port3 Cust 2
>>
>> I need to create two sub interfaces on Port 1. One for each
customer to
>> receive an IP via DHCP. Then I need to NAT each of those sub
interfaces
>> to each of cooresponding customer interfaces.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Josh Luthman]

You can only have 1 dhcp server port per interface.  You'll need to do
vlans.
On Nov 15, 2010 6:12 PM, "Matt Jenkins"  wrote:
> Ok simplification of what I need to do. I need to get more than 1 DHCP
> address on the same physical ethernet port I can assign more than 1
> static address, so why not more than 1 dynamic address?
>
> On 11/02/2010 01:15 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
>> How do I create a subinterface on an ethernet port on a rb750?
>>
>> Bridged CPE -> Tik Port1 -> Port2 Cust 1
>> -> Port3 Cust 2
>>
>> I need to create two sub interfaces on Port 1. One for each customer to
>> receive an IP via DHCP. Then I need to NAT each of those sub interfaces
>> to each of cooresponding customer interfaces.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Matt Jenkins]

Ok simplification of what I need to do. I need to get more than 1 DHCP 
address on the same physical ethernet port I can assign more than 1 
static address, so why not more than 1 dynamic address?

On 11/02/2010 01:15 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:
> How do I create a subinterface on an ethernet port on a rb750?
>
> Bridged CPE ->  Tik Port1 ->  Port2 Cust 1
>   ->  Port3 Cust 2
>
> I need to create two sub interfaces on Port 1. One for each customer to
> receive an IP via DHCP. Then I need to NAT each of those sub interfaces
> to each of cooresponding customer interfaces.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Matt
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Jeromie Reeves]

If you mean like eth0.1 and eth0.2 then you need to use a vlan switch,
else once its on the wire, there is no way to know what comes from
who. It would be best to place another multi port router inline to
give you physical ports, or use vlans.

On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Matt Jenkins  wrote:
> How do I create a subinterface on an ethernet port on a rb750?
>
> Bridged CPE -> Tik Port1 -> Port2 Cust 1
>                                         -> Port3 Cust 2
>
> I need to create two sub interfaces on Port 1. One for each customer to
> receive an IP via DHCP. Then I need to NAT each of those sub interfaces
> to each of cooresponding customer interfaces.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Matt
>
>
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[WISPA] Mikrotik Question: Subinterface?

[Matt Jenkins]

How do I create a subinterface on an ethernet port on a rb750?

Bridged CPE -> Tik Port1 -> Port2 Cust 1
 -> Port3 Cust 2

I need to create two sub interfaces on Port 1. One for each customer to 
receive an IP via DHCP. Then I need to NAT each of those sub interfaces 
to each of cooresponding customer interfaces.

Thanks,

- Matt



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