Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski
I find it disturbing that almost no public discussion of this is going on. Is this a matter where we think that the imposition will have little or no effect on us, or do we expect to simply ignore it, or is everyone just confident it won't happen? There's a lot going on, on many fronts, economic and social and governmental, and our collective future appears headed not just for us having loss on an individual basis, but full national currency and economic collapse. You'd think the public list would get mention of at least the FCC actions and planning to coordinate resistance - along with how it will affect everyone, be they WISPA centric or not. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Fred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski At 9/2/2010 05:59 PM, you wrote: How, uhh.. .do they propose to ban doing this? By permitting specialized services (anything other than a bog-neutral wide open Internet service) only under limited conditions. Among them are these proposals, from the new Further Inquiry: (E) Limit Specialized Service Offerings: Allow broadband providers to offer only a limited set of new specialized services, with functionality that cannot be provided via broadband Internet access service, such as a telemedicine application that requires enhanced quality of service.19 (F) Guaranteed Capacity for Broadband Internet Access Service: Require broadband providers to continue providing or expanding network capacity allocated to broadband Internet access service, regardless of any specialized services they choose to offer. Relatedly, prohibit specialized services from inhibiting the performance of broadband Internet access services at any given time, including during periods of peak usage.20 end quote -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consultinghttp://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski
At 9/3/2010 12:06 PM, MDK wrote: I find it disturbing that almost no public discussion of this is going on. Is this a matter where we think that the imposition will have little or no effect on us, or do we expect to simply ignore it, or is everyone just confident it won't happen? ISPs are notoriously individualistic. WISPA is doing a great service by herding the cats, to the extent possible, but the Bells are the ones with the real lobby power, and the subsidized RLECs always manage to come out ahead. It has always been understood that the Internet is not regulated; telecom is, but WISPs are usually Part 15 and stay away from that too. So when there's a real push to regulate The Internet, essentially because the public has a rational fear of the excessive power that the Bells have already won, small ISPs can be caught blind-sided. There's a lot going on, on many fronts, economic and social and governmental, and our collective future appears headed not just for us having loss on an individual basis, but full national currency and economic collapse. You'd think the public list would get mention of at least the FCC actions and planning to coordinate resistance - along with how it will affect everyone, be they WISPA centric or not. You shouldn't confuse bigger macroeconomic issues with small regulatory ones. The economy, for all intents and purposes, collapsed in the summer of 2008. The currency, however, is extremely strong, for the simple reason that the effective supply of money is what really collapsed, and the government's regulated portion of the money supply, currency, is what's keeping things afloat. This is not intuitively obvious so you have what looks to me like a hell of a lot of demagoguery by politicians trying to worsen the depression in order to pin the blame on the President. I don't want this mailing list to get off course so let's leave it at that. However, the ILECs are so powerful that they are practically like the vandals who steal the wires and plumbing out of houses. They get a few hundred dollars of scrap but the repairs cost many thousands. Bells have their power and control protected at all costs, regardless of the collateral damage. Network neutrality is a feel-good nostrum. It was spurred when Verizon got the FCC to end the Computer II rules that had made the public Internet possible, and when Big Ed of SBC opened his mouth too wide and expressed in public what they had been planning. Some pR0n distributors got hold of the idea and took control of the agenda. Real ISPs were, as usual, caught in the crossfire, having been left for dead years ago. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.comFred Goldstein Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 7:43 PM To: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgWISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski At 9/2/2010 05:59 PM, you wrote: How, uhh.. .do they propose to ban doing this? By permitting specialized services (anything other than a bog-neutral wide open Internet service) only under limited conditions. Among them are these proposals, from the new Further Inquiry: (E) Limit Specialized Service Offerings: Allow broadband providers to offer only a limited set of new specialized services, with functionality that cannot be provided via broadband Internet access service, such as a telemedicine application that requires enhanced quality of service.19 (F) Guaranteed Capacity for Broadband Internet Access Service: Require broadband providers to continue providing or expanding network capacity allocated to broadband Internet access service, regardless of any specialized services they choose to offer. Relatedly, prohibit specialized services from inhibiting the performance of broadband Internet access services at any given time, including during periods of peak usage.20 end quote -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com
[WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski
Yesterday, the Chairman released a statement on net neutrality, which basically said We need more public comment. This an excerpt from his published statement: Recent events have highlighted questions on how open Internet rules should apply to 'specialized' services and to mobile broadband -- what framework will guarantee Internet freedom and openness, and maximize private investment and innovation. As we've seen, the issues are complex, and the details matter. Even a proposal for enforceable rules can be flawed in its specifics and risk undermining the fundamental goal of preserving the open Internet. Accordingly, the FCC's Wireline and Wireless Bureaus are seeking further public comment on issues related to 'specialized' (or 'managed') services and mobile broadband. The information received through this inquiry, along with the record developed to date, will help complete our efforts to establish an enforceable framework to preserve Internet freedom and openness. So, people, get your commentary in. If you're wondering how to approach it in an informative way, this link here might help. I'll give you specific permission to quote, copy, whatever... It's written simplistically, but addresses almost all aspects of net neutrality.If you have ideas that might improve this, let me know. http://hubpages.com/hub/Network-Neutrality-an-ISP-POV Honestly, people do not understand that there really truly cannot be perfect net neutrality, and that the way people define the term is widely varied. I've discussed this with numerous customers, and once they grasp what is being asked for and what is being proposed, and that the legal framework simply doesn't fit the service, they're never in favor of it. We need to blanket our country with this kind of informative statement. Thanks ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski
At 9/2/2010 03:20 PM, MDK wrote: Yesterday, the Chairman released a statement on net neutrality, which basically said We need more public comment. Yes, we'll need to send in more posts to keep them from producing rules that put WISPs and other competitive ISPs out of business. It looks as if this latest statement was hastily produced as a way to take what Verizon and Google agreed to and rapidly turn it into rules. Julius is enamored of the deal, for the deal's sake, whatever the deal is. He has a hard-on for FiOS and thinks Google is a deity, so their collective opinion trumps 310 million Americans' interests. Note how the proposed rules essentially outlaw the competitive provision of non-POTS telecommunications service (anything but plain Internet access). They suggest that a large ISP is allowed to offer some small percentage of their network for other offerings, but the types of services that IT managers need for business communications (links between their buildings, etc.) are apparently to be banned from open provision. This is just a little gotcha that Verizon snuck in, an exmaple of the type of idiocy that this proceeding, and the neutrality movement, has begotten. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski
Could you give us all a link to these provisions? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski At 9/2/2010 03:20 PM, MDK wrote: Yesterday, the Chairman released a statement on net neutrality, which basically said We need more public comment. Yes, we'll need to send in more posts to keep them from producing rules that put WISPs and other competitive ISPs out of business. It looks as if this latest statement was hastily produced as a way to take what Verizon and Google agreed to and rapidly turn it into rules. Julius is enamored of the deal, for the deal's sake, whatever the deal is. He has a hard-on for FiOS and thinks Google is a deity, so their collective opinion trumps 310 million Americans' interests. Note how the proposed rules essentially outlaw the competitive provision of non-POTS telecommunications service (anything but plain Internet access). They suggest that a large ISP is allowed to offer some small percentage of their network for other offerings, but the types of services that IT managers need for business communications (links between their buildings, etc.) are apparently to be banned from open provision. This is just a little gotcha that Verizon snuck in, an exmaple of the type of idiocy that this proceeding, and the neutrality movement, has begotten. -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski
How, uhh.. .do they propose to ban doing this? Note how the proposed rules essentially outlaw the competitive provision of non-POTS telecommunications service (anything but plain Internet access). They suggest that a large ISP is allowed to offer some small percentage of their network for other offerings, but the types of services that IT managers need for business communications (links between their buildings, etc.) are apparently to be banned from open provision. This is just a little gotcha that Verizon snuck in, an exmaple of the type of idiocy that this proceeding, and the neutrality movement, has begotten. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Net Neutrality statement from Genakowski
At 9/2/2010 05:59 PM, you wrote: How, uhh.. .do they propose to ban doing this? By permitting specialized services (anything other than a bog-neutral wide open Internet service) only under limited conditions. Among them are these proposals, from the new Further Inquiry: (E) Limit Specialized Service Offerings: Allow broadband providers to offer only a limited set of new specialized services, with functionality that cannot be provided via broadband Internet access service, such as a telemedicine application that requires enhanced quality of service.19 (F) Guaranteed Capacity for Broadband Internet Access Service: Require broadband providers to continue providing or expanding network capacity allocated to broadband Internet access service, regardless of any specialized services they choose to offer. Relatedly, prohibit specialized services from inhibiting the performance of broadband Internet access services at any given time, including during periods of peak usage.20 end quote -- Fred Goldsteink1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
