Re: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP
telcodata.us is a good resource that shows you who's in a rate center and anything related On 3/28/2014 3:21 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: All numbers can be ported, IMO. If you would like me to pull them for you hit me offlist. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 *From*: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *Sent*: Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:50 PM *To*: wireless@wispa.org *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP We've found that we can't get anything ported here in Alaska... something to do with agreements that Alaska Communications Systems and GCI did. 907-226 907-299 907-399 *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 03/27/2014 03:04 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: On 3/27/2014 5:57 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: We've got a local Telco and Frontier prefixed that we can't port to ANY voip provider, only to cellular providers. No one has been able to find a way to port these prefixes or some other ones I didn't list here. 507-634 507-635 507-365 Ah, the world-famous Kasson and Mantorville Telephone Company! :-) Those tiny ones can be tough. They are in LATA 620 but subtend the Plymouth tandem, which is in Minneapolis LATA 628. Odd, but there are a number of those exchanges in the Rochester LATA. That tandem belongs to Minnesota Equal Access, a sort of CLEC that runs a tandem on behalf of many small ILECs. Maybe they could help you. Their prefix codes are local but a CLEC generally needs an interconnection agreement with them, and I doubt many have them. Just not worth the bother. But I do see Mantorville numbers belonging to Sprint-CLEC, MCC, and bandwidth.com. So they may have arrangements. 507-528 507-527 Those are Frontier Citizens, the old (not ex-GTE) rural ILEC. Portable but not pooled. Both remotes of the Kenyon switch, on CLQwest's Owatonna tandem. Jaguar Communications is the only CLEC with Claremont numbers; Sprint and MCC have West Concord numbers. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 3/27/2014 3:11 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: This is the adjacent rate center to one of our main service areas, it is a local call. Different telco though. As a general rule, any rate center's numbers can be made portable if they aren't already so. It can worst case take six moths to implement. But that was usually done long ago. However, in order to port a number into a rate center, the carrier (CLEC) needs connectivity to the tandem switch that serves that rate center, which may belong to the ILEC in that rate center, or a third ILEC, not the one in the bigger exchange next door. If you tell me the rate centers in question I may be able to determine that for you. CenturyTel[/link] is notorious for being uncooperative, hoping state regulators let them bend the rules their way. And some rural ILECs think they're exempt from interconnection rules, though they're not. So it would not be surprising if the underlying CLECs just don't touch those RCs. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Typically, you can check to the local calling guide and if the rate center with the numbers is local to a rate center your providers are in, you should be good to go. YMMV. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:01:38 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP We have a customer on fringe of a rural Century Tel area and both of our voip providers came back saying they were unable to port the number for us. Are there remote areas where you still can't port a number? Is there a way to find out if anyone can port this number? Like a master list or database I can search? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred
Re: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP
All numbers can be ported, IMO. If you would like me to pull them for you hit me offlist. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:50 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP We've found that we can't get anything ported here in Alaska... something to do with agreements that Alaska Communications Systems and GCI did. 907-226 907-299 907-399Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 03/27/2014 03:04 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: On 3/27/2014 5:57 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: We've got a local Telco and Frontier prefixed that we can't port to ANY voip provider, only to cellular providers. No one has been able to find a way to port these prefixes or some other ones I didn't list here. 507-634 507-635 507-365 Ah, the world-famous Kasson and Mantorville Telephone Company! :-) Those tiny ones can be tough. They are in LATA 620 but subtend the Plymouth tandem, which is in Minneapolis LATA 628. Odd, but there are a number of those exchanges in the Rochester LATA. That tandem belongs to Minnesota Equal Access, a sort of CLEC that runs a tandem on behalf of many small ILECs. Maybe they could help you. Their prefix codes are local but a CLEC generally needs an interconnection agreement with them, and I doubt many have them. Just not worth the bother. But I do see Mantorville numbers belonging to Sprint-CLEC, MCC, and bandwidth.com. So they may have arrangements. 507-528 507-527 Those are Frontier Citizens, the old (not ex-GTE) rural ILEC. Portable but not pooled. Both remotes of the Kenyon switch, on CLQwest's Owatonna tandem. Jaguar Communications is the only CLEC with Claremont numbers; Sprint and MCC have West Concord numbers. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 3/27/2014 3:11 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: This is the adjacent rate center to one of our main service areas, it is a local call. Different telco though. As a general rule, any rate center's numbers can be made portable if they aren't already so. It can worst case take six moths to implement. But that was usually done long ago. However, in order to port a number into a rate center, the carrier (CLEC) needs connectivity to the tandem switch that serves that rate center, which may belong to the ILEC in that rate center, or a third ILEC, not the one in the bigger exchange next door. If you tell me the rate centers in question I may be able to determine that for you. CenturyTel[/link] is notorious for being uncooperative, hoping state regulators let them bend the rules their way. And some rural ILECs think they're exempt from interconnection rules, though they're not. So it would not be surprising if the underlying CLECs just don't touch those RCs. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:Typically, you can check to the local calling guide and if the rate center with the numbers is local to a rate center your providers are in, you should be good to go. YMMV. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:01:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIPWe have a customer on fringe of a rural Century Tel area and both of our voip providers came back saying they were unable to port the number for us. Are there remote areas where you still can't port a number? Is there a way to find out if anyone can port this number? Like a master list or database I can search? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing
[WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP
We have a customer on fringe of a rural Century Tel area and both of our voip providers came back saying they were unable to port the number for us. Are there remote areas where you still can't port a number? Is there a way to find out if anyone can port this number? Like a master list or database I can search? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP
Typically, you can check to the local calling guide and if the rate center with the numbers is local to a rate center your providers are in, you should be good to go. YMMV. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:01:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP We have a customer on fringe of a rural Century Tel area and both of our voip providers came back saying they were unable to port the number for us. Are there remote areas where you still can't port a number? Is there a way to find out if anyone can port this number? Like a master list or database I can search? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP
This is the adjacent rate center to one of our main service areas, it is a local call. Different telco though. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Typically, you can check to the local calling guide and if the rate center with the numbers is local to a rate center your providers are in, you should be good to go. YMMV. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:01:38 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP We have a customer on fringe of a rural Century Tel area and both of our voip providers came back saying they were unable to port the number for us. Are there remote areas where you still can't port a number? Is there a way to find out if anyone can port this number? Like a master list or database I can search? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP
On 3/27/2014 3:11 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: This is the adjacent rate center to one of our main service areas, it is a local call. Different telco though. As a general rule, any rate center's numbers can be made portable if they aren't already so. It can worst case take six moths to implement. But that was usually done long ago. However, in order to port a number into a rate center, the carrier (CLEC) needs connectivity to the tandem switch that serves that rate center, which may belong to the ILEC in that rate center, or a third ILEC, not the one in the bigger exchange next door. If you tell me the rate centers in question I may be able to determine that for you. CenturyTel[/link] is notorious for being uncooperative, hoping state regulators let them bend the rules their way. And some rural ILECs think they're exempt from interconnection rules, though they're not. So it would not be surprising if the underlying CLECs just don't touch those RCs. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Typically, you can check to the local calling guide and if the rate center with the numbers is local to a rate center your providers are in, you should be good to go. YMMV. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:01:38 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP We have a customer on fringe of a rural Century Tel area and both of our voip providers came back saying they were unable to port the number for us. Are there remote areas where you still can't port a number? Is there a way to find out if anyone can port this number? Like a master list or database I can search? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP
We've got a local Telco and Frontier prefixed that we can't port to ANY voip provider, only to cellular providers. No one has been able to find a way to port these prefixes or some other ones I didn't list here. 507-634 507-635 507-365 507-528 507-527 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.comwrote: On 3/27/2014 3:11 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: This is the adjacent rate center to one of our main service areas, it is a local call. Different telco though. As a general rule, any rate center's numbers can be made portable if they aren't already so. It can worst case take six moths to implement. But that was usually done long ago. However, in order to port a number into a rate center, the carrier (CLEC) needs connectivity to the tandem switch that serves that rate center, which may belong to the ILEC in that rate center, or a third ILEC, not the one in the bigger exchange next door. If you tell me the rate centers in question I may be able to determine that for you. CenturyTel[/link] is notorious for being uncooperative, hoping state regulators let them bend the rules their way. And some rural ILECs think they're exempt from interconnection rules, though they're not. So it would not be surprising if the underlying CLECs just don't touch those RCs. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Typically, you can check to the local calling guide and if the rate center with the numbers is local to a rate center your providers are in, you should be good to go. YMMV. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:01:38 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP We have a customer on fringe of a rural Century Tel area and both of our voip providers came back saying they were unable to port the number for us. Are there remote areas where you still can't port a number? Is there a way to find out if anyone can port this number? Like a master list or database I can search? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP
On 3/27/2014 5:57 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: We've got a local Telco and Frontier prefixed that we can't port to ANY voip provider, only to cellular providers. No one has been able to find a way to port these prefixes or some other ones I didn't list here. 507-634 507-635 507-365 Ah, the world-famous Kasson and Mantorville Telephone Company! :-) Those tiny ones can be tough. They are in LATA 620 but subtend the Plymouth tandem, which is in Minneapolis LATA 628. Odd, but there are a number of those exchanges in the Rochester LATA. That tandem belongs to Minnesota Equal Access, a sort of CLEC that runs a tandem on behalf of many small ILECs. Maybe they could help you. Their prefix codes are local but a CLEC generally needs an interconnection agreement with them, and I doubt many have them. Just not worth the bother. But I do see Mantorville numbers belonging to Sprint-CLEC, MCC, and bandwidth.com. So they may have arrangements. 507-528 507-527 Those are Frontier Citizens, the old (not ex-GTE) rural ILEC. Portable but not pooled. Both remotes of the Kenyon switch, on CLQwest's Owatonna tandem. Jaguar Communications is the only CLEC with Claremont numbers; Sprint and MCC have West Concord numbers. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 3/27/2014 3:11 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: This is the adjacent rate center to one of our main service areas, it is a local call. Different telco though. As a general rule, any rate center's numbers can be made portable if they aren't already so. It can worst case take six moths to implement. But that was usually done long ago. However, in order to port a number into a rate center, the carrier (CLEC) needs connectivity to the tandem switch that serves that rate center, which may belong to the ILEC in that rate center, or a third ILEC, not the one in the bigger exchange next door. If you tell me the rate centers in question I may be able to determine that for you. CenturyTel[/link] is notorious for being uncooperative, hoping state regulators let them bend the rules their way. And some rural ILECs think they're exempt from interconnection rules, though they're not. So it would not be surprising if the underlying CLECs just don't touch those RCs. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Typically, you can check to the local calling guide and if the rate center with the numbers is local to a rate center your providers are in, you should be good to go. YMMV. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:01:38 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP We have a customer on fringe of a rural Century Tel area and both of our voip providers came back saying they were unable to port the number for us. Are there remote areas where you still can't port a number? Is there a way to find out if anyone can port this number? Like a master list or database I can search? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred atinterisle.net http://interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 tel:%2B1%20617%20795%202701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP
We've found that we can't get anything ported here in Alaska... something to do with agreements that Alaska Communications Systems and GCI did. 907-226 907-299 907-399 *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 03/27/2014 03:04 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote: On 3/27/2014 5:57 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: We've got a local Telco and Frontier prefixed that we can't port to ANY voip provider, only to cellular providers. No one has been able to find a way to port these prefixes or some other ones I didn't list here. 507-634 507-635 507-365 Ah, the world-famous Kasson and Mantorville Telephone Company! :-) Those tiny ones can be tough. They are in LATA 620 but subtend the Plymouth tandem, which is in Minneapolis LATA 628. Odd, but there are a number of those exchanges in the Rochester LATA. That tandem belongs to Minnesota Equal Access, a sort of CLEC that runs a tandem on behalf of many small ILECs. Maybe they could help you. Their prefix codes are local but a CLEC generally needs an interconnection agreement with them, and I doubt many have them. Just not worth the bother. But I do see Mantorville numbers belonging to Sprint-CLEC, MCC, and bandwidth.com. So they may have arrangements. 507-528 507-527 Those are Frontier Citizens, the old (not ex-GTE) rural ILEC. Portable but not pooled. Both remotes of the Kenyon switch, on CLQwest's Owatonna tandem. Jaguar Communications is the only CLEC with Claremont numbers; Sprint and MCC have West Concord numbers. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com mailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 3/27/2014 3:11 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: This is the adjacent rate center to one of our main service areas, it is a local call. Different telco though. As a general rule, any rate center's numbers can be made portable if they aren't already so. It can worst case take six moths to implement. But that was usually done long ago. However, in order to port a number into a rate center, the carrier (CLEC) needs connectivity to the tandem switch that serves that rate center, which may belong to the ILEC in that rate center, or a third ILEC, not the one in the bigger exchange next door. If you tell me the rate centers in question I may be able to determine that for you. CenturyTel[/link] is notorious for being uncooperative, hoping state regulators let them bend the rules their way. And some rural ILECs think they're exempt from interconnection rules, though they're not. So it would not be surprising if the underlying CLECs just don't touch those RCs. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Typically, you can check to the local calling guide and if the rate center with the numbers is local to a rate center your providers are in, you should be good to go. YMMV. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, March 27, 2014 2:01:38 PM *Subject: *[WISPA] Number's that can't port to VOIP We have a customer on fringe of a rural Century Tel area and both of our voip providers came back saying they were unable to port the number for us. Are there remote areas where you still can't port a number? Is there a way to find out if anyone can port this number? Like a master list or database I can search? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred atinterisle.net http://interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 tel:%2B1%20617%20795%202701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com http://www.mnwifi.com/ 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
