Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Scott Parsons]

The small wind turbines perform best if you can get them to the top.

Air turbulence near the ground causes the turbine output to drop but get up
40-60 feet and the wind stream is steadier and the turbine more consistent.

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

 

At 7/28/2010 02:46 PM, you wrote:



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Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for you but
12V 20A $490:
< <http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49>
http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49>


Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing I had in mind.  Especially since the
non-metallic blades only have a 3' diameter.  Stick a good deep discharge
battery in a box with the charge controller and it should be able to power a
nice Routerboard arrangement, maybe with some Ethernet radios on the side.
The fun will be mounting everything on the pole.  Questions like who gets
the top, the antenna or the windmill?  (Probably the turbine, so it can move
with the wind.)



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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/28/2010 02:46 PM, you wrote:

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Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for 
you but 12V 20A $490:

<http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49>


Yes, that's exactly the kind of thing I had in mind.  Especially 
since the non-metallic blades only have a 3' diameter.  Stick a good 
deep discharge battery in a box with the charge controller and it 
should be able to power a nice Routerboard arrangement, maybe with 
some Ethernet radios on the side.  The fun will be mounting 
everything on the pole.  Questions like who gets the top, the antenna 
or the windmill?  (Probably the turbine, so it can move with the wind.)


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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Scott Parsons]

Not sure if this Wind Turbine is small enough or cheap enough for you but
12V 20A $490:

<http://www.beezwaxproducts.com/product_info.php?products_id=49>

 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

 

At 7/28/2010 12:37 PM, Mike Gilchrist wrote:

>I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=51

> 

>Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors,

>TCHM1-L.  They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt

>cutters.  I fit a length of schedule 80 4" pipe to mount radios above the

>pole and take a solid bronze ground lead down the pole.

> 

>You put these things on right and you will have no problems.  Nice
hardware.

 

Beautiful!  Thanks.  This is exactly what I was looking for.

 

Now to just find a simple, cheap, reliable (pick 3) little wind 

charger for those off-grid sites... ;-)

 

>Friendly Regards,

> 

>Mike

> 

>Mike Gilchrist

>Disruptive Technologist

>Advanced Wireless Express

>P.O. Box 255

>Toledo, IA   52342

>239.770.6203

>m...@aweiowa.com

> 

> 

>-Original Message-

>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On

>Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger

>Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM

>To: WISPA General List

>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

> 

>Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a
neighbor

>PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to

>maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space.  Mounts

>depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast

>bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to
Trango,

>and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be

>working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures.

> 

>Here are the MTI brackets:

>http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-
M

>T-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg

> 

>-Paul

> 

>On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

> 

> > At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote:

> >> We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are

> >> 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.

> >

> > Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have

> > poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when

> > possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need

> > to put up our own.

> >

> > Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What

> > hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put

> > antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you

> > always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...

> >

> >> -Paul

> >>

> >> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:

> >>

> >>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not

> >>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to

> >>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in

> >>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these

> >>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will

> >>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put

> >>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers

> >>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

> >>>

> >>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of

> >>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what

> >>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The

> >>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber

> >>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in

> >>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or

> >>> setup with us too.  Thanks.

> >>>

 

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  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/

  +1 617 795 2701 

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/28/2010 12:37 PM, Mike Gilchrist wrote:
>I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=51
>
>Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors,
>TCHM1-L.  They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt
>cutters.  I fit a length of schedule 80 4" pipe to mount radios above the
>pole and take a solid bronze ground lead down the pole.
>
>You put these things on right and you will have no problems.  Nice hardware.

Beautiful!  Thanks.  This is exactly what I was looking for.

Now to just find a simple, cheap, reliable (pick 3) little wind 
charger for those off-grid sites... ;-)

>Friendly Regards,
>
>Mike
>
>Mike Gilchrist
>Disruptive Technologist
>Advanced Wireless Express
>P.O. Box 255
>Toledo, IA   52342
>239.770.6203
>m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
>Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor
>PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to
>maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space.  Mounts
>depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast
>bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango,
>and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be
>working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures.
>
>Here are the MTI brackets:
>http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-M
>T-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg
>
>-Paul
>
>On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>
> > At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote:
> >> We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are
> >> 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.
> >
> > Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have
> > poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when
> > possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need
> > to put up our own.
> >
> > Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What
> > hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put
> > antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you
> > always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...
> >
> >> -Paul
> >>
> >> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
> >>
> >>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> >>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> >>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> >>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> >>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> >>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> >>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> >>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> >>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> >>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> >>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> >>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> >>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> >>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >>>

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  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Ryan Spott]

Was this a WA state PUD? Do you have some pics of an install or 2?

ryan

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Paul Gerstenberger  wrote:

> Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a
> neighbor PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case
> we had to maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space.
>  Mounts depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast
> bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango,
> and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be
> working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures.
>
> Here are the MTI brackets:
> http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-MT-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg
>
> -Paul
>
> On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:
>
> > At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote:
> >> We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are
> >> 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.
> >
> > Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have
> > poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when
> > possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need
> > to put up our own.
> >
> > Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What
> > hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put
> > antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you
> > always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...
> >
> >> -Paul
> >>
> >> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
> >>
> >>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> >>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> >>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> >>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> >>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> >>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> >>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> >>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> >>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> >>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> >>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> >>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> >>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> >>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>
> >
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> >  +1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Mike]

I use these: http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=51

Look down the page for Taper Adjustable Chain Mount, single sectors,
TCHM1-L.  They come with plenty of chain and you cut off excess with bolt
cutters.  I fit a length of schedule 80 4" pipe to mount radios above the
pole and take a solid bronze ground lead down the pole.

You put these things on right and you will have no problems.  Nice hardware.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com
 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:12 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor
PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to
maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space.  Mounts
depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast
bracket, we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango,
and we've pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be
working at a couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures.

Here are the MTI brackets:
http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-M
T-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg

-Paul

On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

> At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote:
>> We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are 
>> 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.
> 
> Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have 
> poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when 
> possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need 
> to put up our own.
> 
> Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What 
> hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put 
> antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you 
> always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...
> 
>> -Paul
>> 
>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
>> 
>>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
> 
>  --
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>  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>  +1 617 795 2701 
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Paul Gerstenberger]

Our APs are generally on dedicated poles. We did work a deal with a neighbor 
PUD to mount some equipment on their primary poles, in which case we had to 
maintain proper clearances from the power and communication space.  Mounts 
depend on the radio. Sometimes we just use a radio shack offset mast bracket, 
we've used a lot MTI brackets because they bolt right up to Trango, and we've 
pipe-straped a metal mast to the top of the wood pole. I'll be working at a 
couple sites this week, I'll snap some pictures.

Here are the MTI brackets: 
http://www.mtiwe.com/UserFiles/Image/MTI/Enclosure_Units/big/MT-120018-and-MT-120018A%5B1%5D.jpg

-Paul

On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:32 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

> At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote:
>> We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are 
>> 65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.
> 
> Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have 
> poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when 
> possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need 
> to put up our own.
> 
> Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What 
> hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put 
> antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you 
> always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...
> 
>> -Paul
>> 
>> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
>> 
>>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
> 
>  --
>  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>  +1 617 795 2701 
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Matt]

>>We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are
>>65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.
>
> Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have
> poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when
> possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need
> to put up our own.
>
> Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What
> hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put
> antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you
> always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...

I am guessing what he meant is they put the wireless gear on a
seperate pole from the electrical.  Being electric COOP its likely
easy for them to drop poles in just for it.  If you colocate on actual
electric poles you must be so many feet below the high voltage lines.
I think you must be certified for your person to come within so many
feet of the high voltage as well.  AFAIK.

Matt



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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/27/2010 02:12 PM, you wrote:
>We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are 
>65ft poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.

Thanks... I think the ccop will be friendly enough, where they have 
poles. I've tried to locate nodes along pole routes when 
possible.  Some back roads don't have poles, though, so we may need 
to put up our own.

Most antenna mounts want to be on a 1-3 inch metal pole.  What 
hardware do you use to attach to the wood pole?  And do you ever put 
antennas above the primaries, on a nonconductive mount, or do you 
always stay down in the safe zone?  Thanks...

>-Paul
>
>On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:
>
> > A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> > farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> > cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> > the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> > is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> > cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> > additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> > and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >
> > Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> > arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> > the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> > big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> > installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> > someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> > setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >
> >

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Paul Gerstenberger]

We ourselves are an electric co-op and ISP, most of our "towers" are 65ft 
poles. If your local co-op is friendly, it's a good way to go.

-Paul

On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Fred R. Goldstein wrote:

> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not 
> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to 
> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in 
> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these 
> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will 
> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put 
> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers 
> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> 
> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of 
> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what 
> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The 
> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber 
> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in 
> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or 
> setup with us too.  Thanks.
> 
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>  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Jason Hensley]

We get them installed for $300 here. 


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of jp
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

I would check with the electric utility to see if they will do poles and 
for how much, sometimes it's reasonable. Local electricians will know 
who the inexpensive pole subcontractors are, as electricians often need 
poles installed in the course of installing their part of new electrical 
services.

You might even want the electricians to handle the pole installs, any 
conduit runs (for power to the poles if power is nearby). I would not 
assume there are electrical outlets everywhere you want them and it's 
not all low voltage wiring, so some relationship with an electrician may 
be necessary.

I had one experience with a windmill and it wasn't good. It was an older 
air-x 400. I'm sure newer ones are better, but mine vibrated the tower 
quite bit, and seized up after a couple months. Solar can work very well 
if you don't skimp on panel and battery. Most of them attempts you read 
about are people trying it out, skimping on both battery and panel 
capacity and they are setting them self up for early trouble. On the 
other hand, big companies speccing out solar systems will massively 
overbuild to protect their reputation and sell more stuff. New gear like 
UBNT and mikrotik uses very little electrical power, making solar more 
practical than ever.

For the wisp stuff, you'll want to either find a qualified local WISP 
company with long term maintenance in mind. Ocassionally, surges and 
power issues will break things or cause things to need a power cycle. 
Lacking that, a computer service shop that is good at networking might 
be able to maintain it, but I wouldn't suggest a computer service shop 
for the setup.

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 06:08:35PM -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
> >Fred:
> >
> >I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
would
> >be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell
to
> >keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
> 
> You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to 
> install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power 
> too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the 
> best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be 
> practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a 
> problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
> 
> >Friendly Regards,
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >Mike Gilchrist
> >Disruptive Technologist
> >Advanced Wireless Express
> >P.O. Box 255
> >Toledo, IA   52342
> >239.770.6203
> >m...@aweiowa.com
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
> >
> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> >farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> >cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> >the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> >is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> >cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> >additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> >and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >
> >Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> >arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> >the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> >big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> >installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> >someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> >setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >
> >   --
> >   Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
> >   ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
> >   +1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[jp]

I would check with the electric utility to see if they will do poles and 
for how much, sometimes it's reasonable. Local electricians will know 
who the inexpensive pole subcontractors are, as electricians often need 
poles installed in the course of installing their part of new electrical 
services.

You might even want the electricians to handle the pole installs, any 
conduit runs (for power to the poles if power is nearby). I would not 
assume there are electrical outlets everywhere you want them and it's 
not all low voltage wiring, so some relationship with an electrician may 
be necessary.

I had one experience with a windmill and it wasn't good. It was an older 
air-x 400. I'm sure newer ones are better, but mine vibrated the tower 
quite bit, and seized up after a couple months. Solar can work very well 
if you don't skimp on panel and battery. Most of them attempts you read 
about are people trying it out, skimping on both battery and panel 
capacity and they are setting them self up for early trouble. On the 
other hand, big companies speccing out solar systems will massively 
overbuild to protect their reputation and sell more stuff. New gear like 
UBNT and mikrotik uses very little electrical power, making solar more 
practical than ever.

For the wisp stuff, you'll want to either find a qualified local WISP 
company with long term maintenance in mind. Ocassionally, surges and 
power issues will break things or cause things to need a power cycle. 
Lacking that, a computer service shop that is good at networking might 
be able to maintain it, but I wouldn't suggest a computer service shop 
for the setup.

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 06:08:35PM -0400, Fred Goldstein wrote:
> At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
> >Fred:
> >
> >I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service would
> >be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> >keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
> 
> You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to 
> install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power 
> too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the 
> best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be 
> practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a 
> problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
> 
> >Friendly Regards,
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >Mike Gilchrist
> >Disruptive Technologist
> >Advanced Wireless Express
> >P.O. Box 255
> >Toledo, IA   52342
> >239.770.6203
> >m...@aweiowa.com
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
> >
> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> >farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> >cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> >the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> >is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> >cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> >additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> >and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >
> >Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> >arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> >the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> >big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> >installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> >someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> >setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >
> >   --
> >   Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
> >   ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
> >   +1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Mike]

We already had the pole. They replaced a boatload of poles that had been in
3 years after being replaced in an ice storm. They upgraded to composite
poles along a new stretch of Hwy 30 they are building here.  The pole was
set for the cost of 2 guys and a truck for 2 hours.  Anecdotally, the pole
is planted in the farm yard of the foreman of that crew.  My deal is with
him.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 10:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

Is that for a set, or a pole and a set?

Pole and a set, that is a steal!


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heaven knows we need them down here!
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- Original Message - 
From: "Mike" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations


> No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
> tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I 
> have
> customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
> months back.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
>> Fred:
>>
>> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
> would
>> be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell 
>> to
>> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike Gilchrist
>> Disruptive Technologist
>> Advanced Wireless Express
>> P.O. Box 255
>> Toledo, IA   52342
>> 239.770.6203
>> m...@aweiowa.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>>
>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>>
>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>>
>>--
>>Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>>ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>>+1 617 795 2701
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Phil Curnutt]

You must still have knees left.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:

>  I love poles!  With a belt and spikes they are no trouble to climb...
>
>
> Blake Bowers wrote:
>
> Is that for a set, or a pole and a set?
>
> Pole and a set, that is a steal!
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike"  
> To: "'WISPA General List'"  
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>
>
>
>  No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
> tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I
> have
> customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
> months back.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>
>  Fred:
>
> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
>
>
>  would
>
>
>  be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell
> to
> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>--
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Blair Davis]

I love poles!  With a belt and spikes they are no trouble to climb...

Blake Bowers wrote:

  Is that for a set, or a pole and a set?

Pole and a set, that is a steal!


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heaven knows we need them down here!
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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations


  
  
No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I 
have
customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
months back.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

 Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:


  Fred:

I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
  

would


  be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell 
to
keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

Friendly Regards,

Mike

Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
setup with us too.  Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Blake Bowers]

Is that for a set, or a pole and a set?

Pole and a set, that is a steal!


Don't take your organs to heaven,
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To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations


> No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
> tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I 
> have
> customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
> months back.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
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> On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
>> Fred:
>>
>> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
> would
>> be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell 
>> to
>> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike Gilchrist
>> Disruptive Technologist
>> Advanced Wireless Express
>> P.O. Box 255
>> Toledo, IA   52342
>> 239.770.6203
>> m...@aweiowa.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>>
>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>>
>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>>
>>--
>>Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>>ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>>+1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Jason Bailey]

--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Phil Curnutt  wrote:


From: Phil Curnutt 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
To: "WISPA General List" 
Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 11:19 PM


The anchor kit is L-bolts into concrete filled holes.  The 17.5' tower weights 
60 pounds plus mast (20lbs for the alum) and antennas.  Four three foot holes, 
six inches in diameter hold two 80 lb bags of concrete; that's 620 lbs holding 
it down.  Of course three foot holes here in New Mexico are a chore, so a 
tractor with a 4" auger into a hole prepped with a power washer is a necessity, 
but you guys out there with that deep top soil shouldn't have to much of a 
problem.

Phil


On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:

I would love to see that around here...


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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373






On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:





wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around here




Mike wrote: 
No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
months back. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
  
Fred:

I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
would
  
be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

Friendly Regards,

Mike

Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
setup with us too.  Thanks.

   --
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   ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
   +1 617 795 2701





  

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Phil Curnutt]

The anchor kit is L-bolts into concrete filled holes.  The 17.5' tower
weights 60 pounds plus mast (20lbs for the alum) and antennas.  Four three
foot holes, six inches in diameter hold two 80 lb bags of concrete; that's
620 lbs holding it down.  Of course three foot holes here in New Mexico are
a chore, so a tractor with a 4" auger into a hole prepped with a power
washer is a necessity, but you guys out there with that deep top soil
shouldn't have to much of a problem.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> I would love to see that around here...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
>
>>  wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around
>> here
>>
>>
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>> No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
>> tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
>> customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
>> months back.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> ] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>>
>>   Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Fred:
>>
>> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
>>
>>
>>  would
>>
>>
>>  be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
>> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike Gilchrist
>> Disruptive Technologist
>> Advanced Wireless Express
>> P.O. Box 255
>> Toledo, IA   52342
>> 239.770.6203m...@aweiowa.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> ] On
>> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>>
>> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>>
>> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>>
>>--
>>Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>>ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>>+1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Josh Luthman]

I would love to see that around here...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:

>  wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around
> here
>
>
> Mike wrote:
>
> No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
> tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
> customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
> months back.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>   Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
>
>
>  Fred:
>
> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
>
>
>  would
>
>
>  be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>--
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>+1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Blair Davis]

wish I could find prices like that... A 50ft is $600 installed around
here

Mike wrote:

  No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
months back. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)

-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
  
  
Fred:

I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service

  
  would
  
  
be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

Friendly Regards,

Mike

Mike Gilchrist
Disruptive Technologist
Advanced Wireless Express
P.O. Box 255
Toledo, IA   52342
239.770.6203
m...@aweiowa.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
setup with us too.  Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Fred Goldstein]

This is useful advice.  Thanks a lot!

We're no doubt going to have to build it up a few nodes at a time, 
starting at the injection point and building towards the most 
unserved area, a few hops away.  I'm not sure if I want to touch 2.4, 
since it can be so noisy, or just use 900 and 5.8, but in the really 
remote places, 2.4 might be a good choice, with less foliage fade than 5.8.

I wonder how well 802.11n will deal with multipath.  We will have 
multipath...  probably no way around it when there are steep hills 
right behind you.

We'll need hire some good local feet on the ground.

At 7/19/2010 07:29 PM, MarlonS wrote:
>I'd run 5 gig for the backhaul (ptmp) and 2.4 for distribution.
>
>Be VERY careful with distances and power levels you expect to be able to run
>though.  The power lines will cause a LOT of multipath.
>
>I'd put in 2x the ap's you think you'll need and run EVERYTHING at VERY low
>power levels.
>
>OR swap out key poles.  Go from 40' normal poles to 60 or 80' ones, then put
>your gear above the power lines, by a long ways.  Still build slow till you
>know what effect the power lines are going to have on your signal.  It's bad
>enough to just shoot across them, but shooting in line with them will likely
>be a royal PITA.
>
>Oh yeah, remember that multipath and self inflicted interference will often
>NOT show up with just a couple of test systems online.  It takes lots of
>customers to really make things fail.  And by then you have convinced
>yourself that the design is proper because it's worked "just fine" all this
>time.  When all along it's NOT worked well, it's just fast enough and good
>enough that no one noticed how much trouble it was having getting data
>through.
>
>Have fun!  Let us know what you land on for a good working design!
>marlon
>
>----- Original Message -
>From: "Fred R. Goldstein" 
>To: "WISPA General List" 
>Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:23 PM
>Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
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> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> > farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> > cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> > the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> > is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> > cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> > additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> > and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >
> > Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> > arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> > the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> > big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> > installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> > someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> > setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >
> >  --
> >  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
> >  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
> >  +1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/19/2010 06:42 PM, Mike wrote wrote:
>No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
>tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
>customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
>months back.

That's a really good price.  I don't think I've seen anything more 
than a 50 footer around here.  That's plenty for normal things.  But 
a 65 foot pole is a nice stealth tower!

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>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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>Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>   Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)
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>On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
> > Fred:
> >
> > I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
>would
> > be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> > keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
> >
> > Friendly Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mike Gilchrist
> > Disruptive Technologist
> > Advanced Wireless Express
> > P.O. Box 255
> > Toledo, IA   52342
> > 239.770.6203
> > m...@aweiowa.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
> >
> > A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> > farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> > cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> > the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> > is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> > cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> > additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> > and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >
> > Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> > arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> > the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> > big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> > installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> > someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> > setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Mike]

And how do you anchor them? I'd like a 45' version.

 

Mike

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Curnutt
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 6:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

 

I believe with lightning protection, mounting hardware and off set arms,
around $1200.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Jeromie Reeves 
wrote:

How much for a 17.5 ?


On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Phil Curnutt  wrote:
> http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html
>
> Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.
>
> Phil
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>
>> Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/
>>
>> Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned
>> windmill
>> and just pump water.
>>
>> There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the
>> blades
>> are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to
climb.
>>
>> I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree
huggers
>> would have no problem having in their neighborhood.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>>
>> At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
>> >Fred:
>> >
>> >I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
>> would
>> >be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell
>> > to
>> >keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>>
>> You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
>> install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
>> too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
>> best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
>> practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
>> problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
>>
>> >Friendly Regards,
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >Mike Gilchrist
>> >Disruptive Technologist
>> >Advanced Wireless Express
>> >P.O. Box 255
>> >Toledo, IA   52342
>> >239.770.6203
>> >m...@aweiowa.com
>> >
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>> >To: WISPA General List
>> >Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>> >
>> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>> >farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>> >cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>> >the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>> >is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>> >cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>> >additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>> >and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>> >
>> >Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>> >arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>> >the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>> >big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>> >installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>> >someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>> >setup with us too.  Thanks.
>> >
>> >   --
>> >   Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
>> >   ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>> >   +1 617 795 2701
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Phil Curnutt]

I believe with lightning protection, mounting hardware and off set arms,
around $1200.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Jeromie Reeves wrote:

> How much for a 17.5 ?
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Phil Curnutt  wrote:
> > http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html
> >
> > Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
> >>
> >> Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/
> >>
> >> Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned
> >> windmill
> >> and just pump water.
> >>
> >> There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the
> >> blades
> >> are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to
> climb.
> >>
> >> I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree
> huggers
> >> would have no problem having in their neighborhood.
> >>
> >> Friendly Regards,
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>  -----Original Message-----
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
> >> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
> >>
> >> At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
> >> >Fred:
> >> >
> >> >I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
> >> would
> >> >be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell
> >> > to
> >> >keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
> >>
> >> You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
> >> install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
> >> too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
> >> best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
> >> practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
> >> problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
> >>
> >> >Friendly Regards,
> >> >
> >> >Mike
> >> >
> >> >Mike Gilchrist
> >> >Disruptive Technologist
> >> >Advanced Wireless Express
> >> >P.O. Box 255
> >> >Toledo, IA   52342
> >> >239.770.6203
> >> >m...@aweiowa.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >-Original Message-
> >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> >> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> >> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> >> >To: WISPA General List
> >> >Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
> >> >
> >> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> >> >farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> >> >cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> >> >the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> >> >is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> >> >cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> >> >additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> >> >and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >> >
> >> >Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> >> >arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> >> >the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> >> >big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> >> >installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> >> >someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> >> >setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >> >
> >> >   --
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> >> >   ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Marlon K. Schafer]

I'd run 5 gig for the backhaul (ptmp) and 2.4 for distribution.

Be VERY careful with distances and power levels you expect to be able to run 
though.  The power lines will cause a LOT of multipath.

I'd put in 2x the ap's you think you'll need and run EVERYTHING at VERY low 
power levels.

OR swap out key poles.  Go from 40' normal poles to 60 or 80' ones, then put 
your gear above the power lines, by a long ways.  Still build slow till you 
know what effect the power lines are going to have on your signal.  It's bad 
enough to just shoot across them, but shooting in line with them will likely 
be a royal PITA.

Oh yeah, remember that multipath and self inflicted interference will often 
NOT show up with just a couple of test systems online.  It takes lots of 
customers to really make things fail.  And by then you have convinced 
yourself that the design is proper because it's worked "just fine" all this 
time.  When all along it's NOT worked well, it's just fast enough and good 
enough that no one noticed how much trouble it was having getting data 
through.

Have fun!  Let us know what you land on for a good working design!
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: "Fred R. Goldstein" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations


>A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>  --
>  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Jason Hensley]

We have a pretty large setup like this.  We "inherited" a DigitalPath based
network a couple of years ago that I wish I could get rid of due to
proprietary issues and a big inability to do some things with it. It has
it's positives (great Hotspot setup) but also a number of negatives.  We
have about 90 AP's out there.  

We are now using Deliberant AP Duo's and Quads to accomplish this with
PacWireless grids or panels.  We have full access to poles that our city
controls, but not that our Power Coop controls. 

We use some power boards here:  http://www.prosecuritys.com/ols20.html that
work well with batteries that we put in place (batteries are similar are
these although we get them from a local supplier:
http://www.technobotsonline.com/haze-hzs-sla-agm-battery-12v-7ah.html) all
inside an enclosure like this one:
http://www.cooperb-line.com/pdf/catalogs/ProductInformation/ENC09-PDF-WebPI/
T3RScrewCoverEnclosures.pdf.  

We have a mixture of bridging (although the Deliberant stuff, to me, is a
little quirky for bridging) and routing, but mostly routed. I would
definitely not call this a mesh network, but if you wanted to go mesh,
Ligowave has a fantastic mesh product.  




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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not 
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to 
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in 
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these 
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will 
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put 
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers 
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of 
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what 
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The 
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber 
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in 
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or 
setup with us too.  Thanks.

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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Mike]

No, but I have friends/customers with really big bucket trucks.  They are
tree guys.  Also, the local electric utility usually sets my poles.  I have
customers there too.  The company charged me $250.00 for a 65 footer a few
months back. 

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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

  Must not have any lineman friends.  ;-)

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On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
> Fred:
>
> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
would
> be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
> m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>--
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>ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
>+1 617 795 2701
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Josh Luthman]

Is there a mast in the center of them or do you immediately need a bucket
truck?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Mike  wrote:

>   Nice Phil. How much did you pay?
>   --
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Phil Curnutt
> *Sent:* Monday, July 19, 2010 5:32 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>
>
> http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html
>
> Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.
>
> Phil
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
> Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/
>
> Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned windmill
> and just pump water.
>
> There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades
> are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb.
>
> I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers
> would have no problem having in their neighborhood.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>  -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
> At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
> >Fred:
> >
> >I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
> would
> >be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> >keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>
> You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
> install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
> too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
> best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
> practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
> problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
>
> >Friendly Regards,
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >Mike Gilchrist
> >Disruptive Technologist
> >Advanced Wireless Express
> >P.O. Box 255
> >Toledo, IA   52342
> >239.770.6203
> >m...@aweiowa.com
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
> >
> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> >farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> >cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> >the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> >is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> >cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> >additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> >and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >
> >Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> >arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> >the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> >big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> >installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> >someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> >setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >
> >   --
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Mike]

Nice Phil. How much did you pay?

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Curnutt
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

 

http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html

Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike  wrote:

Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/

Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned windmill
and just pump water.

There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades
are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb.

I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers
would have no problem having in their neighborhood.

Friendly Regards,

Mike
 -Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
>Fred:
>
>I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
would
>be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
>keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.

>Friendly Regards,
>
>Mike
>
>Mike Gilchrist
>Disruptive Technologist
>Advanced Wireless Express
>P.O. Box 255
>Toledo, IA   52342
>239.770.6203
>m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
>Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>   --
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>   ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Mike Hammett]

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On 7/19/2010 4:53 PM, Mike wrote:
> Fred:
>
> I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service would
> be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike Gilchrist
> Disruptive Technologist
> Advanced Wireless Express
> P.O. Box 255
> Toledo, IA   52342
> 239.770.6203
> m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
> A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
> Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>--
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>ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Jeromie Reeves]

How much for a 17.5 ?

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Phil Curnutt  wrote:
> http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html
>
> Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.
>
> Phil
>
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>
>> Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/
>>
>> Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned
>> windmill
>> and just pump water.
>>
>> There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the
>> blades
>> are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb.
>>
>> I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers
>> would have no problem having in their neighborhood.
>>
>> Friendly Regards,
>>
>> Mike
>>  -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>>
>> At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
>> >Fred:
>> >
>> >I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
>> would
>> >be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell
>> > to
>> >keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>>
>> You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
>> install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
>> too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
>> best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
>> practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
>> problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
>>
>> >Friendly Regards,
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> >Mike Gilchrist
>> >Disruptive Technologist
>> >Advanced Wireless Express
>> >P.O. Box 255
>> >Toledo, IA   52342
>> >239.770.6203
>> >m...@aweiowa.com
>> >
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>> >To: WISPA General List
>> >Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>> >
>> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>> >farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>> >cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>> >the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>> >is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>> >cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>> >additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>> >and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>> >
>> >Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>> >arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>> >the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>> >big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>> >installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>> >someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>> >setup with us too.  Thanks.
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Phil Curnutt]

http://gmesupply.com/roof-towers-c-9.html

Just installed a 17.5 foot one.   Very nice.

Phil

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Mike  wrote:

> Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/
>
> Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned windmill
> and just pump water.
>
> There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades
> are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb.
>
> I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers
> would have no problem having in their neighborhood.
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>  -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
> At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
> >Fred:
> >
> >I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
> would
> >be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
> >keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.
>
> You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to
> install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power
> too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the
> best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be
> practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a
> problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.
>
> >Friendly Regards,
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >Mike Gilchrist
> >Disruptive Technologist
> >Advanced Wireless Express
> >P.O. Box 255
> >Toledo, IA   52342
> >239.770.6203
> >m...@aweiowa.com
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-
> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> >Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
> >Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
> >To: WISPA General List
> >Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
> >
> >A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
> >farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
> >cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
> >the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
> >is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
> >cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
> >additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
> >and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
> >
> >Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
> >arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
> >the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
> >big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
> >installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
> >someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
> >setup with us too.  Thanks.
> >
> >   --
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Mike]

Something like these:  http://www.pondaeration.com/

Thiesens here in Iowa sells them.  They look like an old fashioned windmill
and just pump water.

There are some wind power kits that you mount on a monopole, but the blades
are so long they would be in the Fresnel zone, and would be hard to climb.

I was merely offering a solution or idea that even owlers and tree huggers
would have no problem having in their neighborhood.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 -Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 5:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
>Fred:
>
>I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service
would
>be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
>keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to 
install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power 
too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the 
best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be 
practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a 
problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.

>Friendly Regards,
>
>Mike
>
>Mike Gilchrist
>Disruptive Technologist
>Advanced Wireless Express
>P.O. Box 255
>Toledo, IA   52342
>239.770.6203
>m...@aweiowa.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
>Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
>
>A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
>Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
>   --
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Fred Goldstein]

At 7/19/2010 05:53 PM, you wrote:
>Fred:
>
>I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service would
>be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
>keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

You're right; we'll probably need a bucket truck to do poles, both to 
install and service. Are you talking about using wind for power 
too?  There are few or no local windmills  otherwise.  Some of the 
best relay sites may be off the grid so a wind charger could be 
practical.  Solar might work but lake-effect snow could be a 
problem.  Lake-effect wind, on the other hand, would be helpful.

>Friendly Regards,
>
>Mike
>
>Mike Gilchrist
>Disruptive Technologist
>Advanced Wireless Express
>P.O. Box 255
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>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
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>Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations
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>A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not
>farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to
>cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in
>the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these
>is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will
>cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put
>additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers
>and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.
>
>Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of
>arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what
>the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The
>big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber
>installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in
>someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or
>setup with us too.  Thanks.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Mike]

Fred:

I have some "poles" on my network.  They are hard to climb and service would
be the only caveats I'd share.  Consider windmills.  The ones they sell to
keep ponds aerated are aesthetically pleasing and not too expensive.

Friendly Regards,
 
Mike
 
Mike Gilchrist
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Advanced Wireless Express
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Fred R. Goldstein
Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not 
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to 
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in 
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these 
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will 
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put 
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers 
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of 
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what 
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The 
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber 
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in 
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or 
setup with us too.  Thanks.

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  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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[WISPA] Pole-mounted base stations

[Fred R. Goldstein]

A design I'm working on is in a hilly wooded rural/resort area, not 
farmland.  It will need a fair number (perhaps a few dozen) sites to 
cover the planned turf.  Each node will need both backhaul (mesh, in 
the loose sense) and access antennas.  The obvious place to put these 
is atop utility poles.  I think the local electric cooperative will 
cooperate and let us rent pole space.  We may however need to put 
additional poles in some places.  They seem cheaper than metal towers 
and are less likely to raise the locals' eyebrows.

Does anyone out there have experience with this sort of 
arrangement?  We're in the budgeting stage now.  I have an idea what 
the radios cost but the installation might be the bigger deal.  The 
big engineering firms are more used to fancy cellular and fiber 
installs, not WISP-style radios.  So we may also want to bring in 
someone with this kind of WISP experience to do some consulting or 
setup with us too.  Thanks.

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  ionary Consulting  http://www.ionary.com/
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