Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
Sky Pilot has a pretty cool design. Its a much more
usable product now that they have enhanced it to operate at faster
rates. It originally was limited to about 6 mbps agreegate, but now it
supports faster speeds, I think closer to 14-20 mbps, but don't quote me on
it. The only big problem I see with SkyPilot is that it is limited to
Vertical polarity only, to take advantage of it Phased Array antenna design.
However, even with high power rules, limiting it to Verticle pol, meant it would
not survive our harsh competitive spectrum environment. I generally can
get full 6 sectors out of Horizontal, and I'm licky to get 1 or two usable
channels out of verticle in my markets. So we never continued our beta test.
Thats what makes Trango so valueable, we don't have to guess in advance or limit
ourselves to the polarity.
If you have a rural environment where Verticle pol
is likely usable and would likely stay that way, SkyPilot is definately worth
considering, otherwise stay clear of it.
From what I know, SkyPilot is in good financial
condition, but then again what do I know, I never knew Vivato had a
problem.
Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless
Broadband
- Original Message -
From:
Brian
Rohrbacher
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 11:50
AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
Anyone think Skypilot will be RIP?Tom DeReggi wrote:
To my knowledge just SkyPilot.
Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed
Wireless Broadband
-
Original Message -
From:
Rick Harnish
To:
'WISPA
General List'
Sent:
Monday, December 19, 2005 8:06 PM
Subject:
RE: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
Does
anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power
rules?
Navini,
which has its own share of problems, for
starters, dont believe everything their website tells
you!
Respectfully,
Rick
Harnish
President
OnlyInternet
Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Office
260-307-4000
Cell
260-918-4340
VoIP
www.oibw.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Tom
DeReggiSent: Monday,
December 19, 2005 7:49 PMTo: WISPA
General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] RIP
Vivato
Its always
disappointing to hear news of a company in the wireless space shutting
down. It reflects poorly on the industry, expecially when its a
manufacture of a product that has many technical acheivements such as
Vivato. I look at wireless gear, like people, each with their
own personality and unique traits, and the world is better off with
multiple product personalities as the world is with multiple people
personalities. I wish Vivato and its affiliates the best in
getting through this process. I guess that most likely, some big
name brand wireless company will buy the assets and keep the technology
alive, as it does have unique capabilty. I'll also say, its probably
Vivatos own fault, based on their poor decission to over value their
product and try and get $10,000 for a wifi AP, in a world full of tough
competitors. The technology very well may survive based on
intellectual property that likely will get bought for a fraction of
its original cost. At the end of the day, creditors get screwed, and
it becomes an example that incourages investors in our wireless space to
second guess their investment strategies. And I feel for WISPs that
chose Vivato, who are likely going to be in a position of significant risk
and cost moving forward. Does anyone else even make product
that takes care of FCC new power rules? Other than maybe SkyPilot? I
don't use Vivato, so it does not directly effect me, but indirectly when
the industry is effected, it effects us all. For example, its
Vivato that encourages manufacturers to start to make Smart antennas to
compete with Vivato. That market pressure no longer exists without
Vivato.
Strategically it
does buy more time for WiFi WISPs to consider what they will do on their
networks to survive the potential candidates that would use equipment that
supported the new higher power rules.
This is also a
lesson for us all. Its says that technology does not guarantee survival, a
realistic business plan and reaching its goals
does.
Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
Anyone think Skypilot will be RIP? Tom DeReggi wrote: To my knowledge just SkyPilot. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] RIP Vivato “Does anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power rules?” Navini, which has it’s own share of problems, for starters, don’t believe everything their website tells you! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Its always disappointing to hear news of a company in the wireless space shutting down. It reflects poorly on the industry, expecially when its a manufacture of a product that has many technical acheivements such as Vivato. I look at wireless gear, like people, each with their own personality and unique traits, and the world is better off with multiple product personalities as the world is with multiple people personalities. I wish Vivato and its affiliates the best in getting through this process. I guess that most likely, some big name brand wireless company will buy the assets and keep the technology alive, as it does have unique capabilty. I'll also say, its probably Vivatos own fault, based on their poor decission to over value their product and try and get $10,000 for a wifi AP, in a world full of tough competitors. The technology very well may survive based on intellectual property that likely will get bought for a fraction of its original cost. At the end of the day, creditors get screwed, and it becomes an example that incourages investors in our wireless space to second guess their investment strategies. And I feel for WISPs that chose Vivato, who are likely going to be in a position of significant risk and cost moving forward. Does anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power rules? Other than maybe SkyPilot? I don't use Vivato, so it does not directly effect me, but indirectly when the industry is effected, it effects us all. For example, its Vivato that encourages manufacturers to start to make Smart antennas to compete with Vivato. That market pressure no longer exists without Vivato. Strategically it does buy more time for WiFi WISPs to consider what they will do on their networks to survive the potential candidates that would use equipment that supported the new higher power rules. This is also a lesson for us all. Its says that technology does not guarantee survival, a realistic business plan and reaching its goals does. PS. Glad I chose Trango :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Another one bytes the dust … http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/206 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
To my knowledge just SkyPilot. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Does anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power rules? Navini, which has its own share of problems, for starters, dont believe everything their website tells you! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggiSent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:49 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Its always disappointing to hear news of a company in the wireless space shutting down. It reflects poorly on the industry, expecially when its a manufacture of a product that has many technical acheivements such as Vivato. I look at wireless gear, like people, each with their own personality and unique traits, and the world is better off with multiple product personalities as the world is with multiple people personalities. I wish Vivato and its affiliates the best in getting through this process. I guess that most likely, some big name brand wireless company will buy the assets and keep the technology alive, as it does have unique capabilty. I'll also say, its probably Vivatos own fault, based on their poor decission to over value their product and try and get $10,000 for a wifi AP, in a world full of tough competitors. The technology very well may survive based on intellectual property that likely will get bought for a fraction of its original cost. At the end of the day, creditors get screwed, and it becomes an example that incourages investors in our wireless space to second guess their investment strategies. And I feel for WISPs that chose Vivato, who are likely going to be in a position of significant risk and cost moving forward. Does anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power rules? Other than maybe SkyPilot? I don't use Vivato, so it does not directly effect me, but indirectly when the industry is effected, it effects us all. For example, its Vivato that encourages manufacturers to start to make Smart antennas to compete with Vivato. That market pressure no longer exists without Vivato. Strategically it does buy more time for WiFi WISPs to consider what they will do on their networks to survive the potential candidates that would use equipment that supported the new higher power rules. This is also a lesson for us all. Its says that technology does not guarantee survival, a realistic business plan and reaching its goals does. PS. Glad I chose Trango :-) Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Another one bytes the dust http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
“Does anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power rules?” Navini, which has it’s own share of problems, for starters, don’t believe everything their website tells you! Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Office 260-307-4000 Cell 260-918-4340 VoIP www.oibw.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Its always disappointing to hear news of a company in the wireless space shutting down. It reflects poorly on the industry, expecially when its a manufacture of a product that has many technical acheivements such as Vivato. I look at wireless gear, like people, each with their own personality and unique traits, and the world is better off with multiple product personalities as the world is with multiple people personalities. I wish Vivato and its affiliates the best in getting through this process. I guess that most likely, some big name brand wireless company will buy the assets and keep the technology alive, as it does have unique capabilty. I'll also say, its probably Vivatos own fault, based on their poor decission to over value their product and try and get $10,000 for a wifi AP, in a world full of tough competitors. The technology very well may survive based on intellectual property that likely will get bought for a fraction of its original cost. At the end of the day, creditors get screwed, and it becomes an example that incourages investors in our wireless space to second guess their investment strategies. And I feel for WISPs that chose Vivato, who are likely going to be in a position of significant risk and cost moving forward. Does anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power rules? Other than maybe SkyPilot? I don't use Vivato, so it does not directly effect me, but indirectly when the industry is effected, it effects us all. For example, its Vivato that encourages manufacturers to start to make Smart antennas to compete with Vivato. That market pressure no longer exists without Vivato. Strategically it does buy more time for WiFi WISPs to consider what they will do on their networks to survive the potential candidates that would use equipment that supported the new higher power rules. This is also a lesson for us all. Its says that technology does not guarantee survival, a realistic business plan and reaching its goals does. PS. Glad I chose Trango :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Another one bytes the dust … http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
Its always disappointing to hear news of a company in the wireless space shutting down. It reflects poorly on the industry, expecially when its a manufacture of a product that has many technical acheivements such as Vivato. I look at wireless gear, like people, each with their own personality and unique traits, and the world is better off with multiple product personalities as the world is with multiple people personalities. I wish Vivato and its affiliates the best in getting through this process. I guess that most likely, some big name brand wireless company will buy the assets and keep the technology alive, as it does have unique capabilty. I'll also say, its probably Vivatos own fault, based on their poor decission to over value their product and try and get $10,000 for a wifi AP, in a world full of tough competitors. The technology very well may survive based on intellectual property that likely will get bought for a fraction of its original cost. At the end of the day, creditors get screwed, and it becomes an example that incourages investors in our wireless space to second guess their investment strategies. And I feel for WISPs that chose Vivato, who are likely going to be in a position of significant risk and cost moving forward. Does anyone else even make product that takes care of FCC new power rules? Other than maybe SkyPilot? I don't use Vivato, so it does not directly effect me, but indirectly when the industry is effected, it effects us all. For example, its Vivato that encourages manufacturers to start to make Smart antennas to compete with Vivato. That market pressure no longer exists without Vivato. Strategically it does buy more time for WiFi WISPs to consider what they will do on their networks to survive the potential candidates that would use equipment that supported the new higher power rules. This is also a lesson for us all. Its says that technology does not guarantee survival, a realistic business plan and reaching its goals does. PS. Glad I chose Trango :-) Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: G.Villarini To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'WISPA General List' Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Another one bytes the dust http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
and 15 grand a pop. Would have never made it underneath their pricing model. Also- their first version wasnt a beam forming switch. On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:26:23 -0600, "Joe Laura" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Ya, they kind of resembled a billboard if you ask me. Serious windload. > Superior Wireless > New Orleans,La. > www.superior1.com > - Original Message - > From: Brian Rohrbacher > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato > > > Weren't they super expensive stuff? Were they big? > > G.Villarini wrote: > Another one bytes the dust . > > > > http://www.vivato.net/ > > > > Gino A. Villarini, > > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.aeronetpr.com > > 787.767.7466 > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/204 - Release Date: > 12/15/2005 > > > -- > Brian Rohrbacher > Reliable Internet, LLC > www.reliableinter.net > Cell 269-838-8338 > > "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 > > -- > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
Ya, they kind of resembled a billboard if you ask me. Serious windload. Superior WirelessNew Orleans,La.www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato Weren't they super expensive stuff? Were they big?G.Villarini wrote: Another one bytes the dust http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/204 - Release Date: 12/15/2005 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RIP Vivato
Weren't they super expensive stuff? Were they big? G.Villarini wrote: Another one bytes the dust … http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/204 - Release Date: 12/15/2005 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RIP Vivato
Another one bytes the dust … http://www.vivato.net/ Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
