Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax
Josh is correct, Alaska has no state taxes towards wisps. Just city sales taxes, and that's up to the city. However, I just found out we need to have a specialty contractors license to do communications work in the state, which is a $5000 bond. :( On Tuesday, June 3, 2014, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: We're going to pull our info from local and FCC-involved legal counsel, as well as the borough tax office (as stated before, Alaska does not collect state tax). We'll forward specific information (as a de-minimus provider), as applies to us here in Alaska, on the WISPA-AK list for reference. Forum lawyers (and list-lawyers) have gotten many people in serious trouble in the past. Thankfully, not us to this point. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@spitwspots.com'); | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 07:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Yes, please do forward it . I believe you are confusing a few items together... Let me see if I can clarify:- 1. One needs to consult your State Taxing Authority, to determine what type of Taxes you should be COLLECTING on behalf of the State , and REMITTING to them, NO TWO STATES ARE ALIKE ! 2. One needs to distinguish between what they are selling to their customers !.. Internet Access / PTP Transport / VOIP / etc. These three items are the most commonly taxed items. Some States it is Sales Tax, Other States it is Communication Taxes, there can also be a local County / City component... (Note: There is Federal Law on the Books which exempts ANY kind of Tax Collection on INTERNET SERVICE (only, it does not apply to PTP Transport), with the exception of what was already in place by the 10 Grandfathered States...) 3. If you are providing VOIP services / Telephone Services or Interstate services, you have to File with the FCC, and they determine if you are Eligible for them to tax you for USF.. (Very important note.. USF is a TAX on Communication Services Providers ONLY... no one else, not end users, not customers etc However the LAW allows a Communication Carrier to RECOVER the USF Tax equivalent, from it's customer's Interstate / Long Distance services. (Lots of little if's and or buts here)..lets not get into the habit of confusing the tax with the recovery fee, they are related, but not the same !..) 4. If you are a BUYER of Long Haul Transport, and or any Voice/LD Services from another Carrier, You have the honor of Paying That Carrier their USF Recovery Fee... (This is not a tax on you !!!, but you get to pay it). However if you are a USF Contributing Eligible Carrier, who is not de-minimus, i.e. you are sending money to USF , then you can use your 499 ID, to get yourself OUT OF PAYING other Carriers USF Recovery Fee. (and there may be one or two other entities with similar exemptions). One has to be very careful when using the word TAX as in State Taxes or Federal Taxes, because if these are not Collected and Remitted in the prescribed manner, one is guilt of a very big crimeThis is the major reason why a lot of Telecom Bills will list extra items as FEES... not TAXES Hope this helps. Sorry to come across harsh and blunt, but what you originally wrote, was totally off... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net -- *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:21:46 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax I am going to forward this to both our FCC lawyer, and local lawyer, to get their opinions on this. We've been down this road several years ago I believe. I'll let everyone know the results. For the records, we do not have interstate transport to us, just intrastate, so we don't pay into any USF funds in any way, shape, or form... at least not directly. Nor are we a VOIP ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax
Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of that charge. Or is that not the way it works? Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all around Omaha NE. Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax
I read online that the Federal exemption is set to expire this fall. Does anyone know if it's been extended? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax Yes, please do forward it . I believe you are confusing a few items together... Let me see if I can clarify:- 1. One needs to consult your State Taxing Authority, to determine what type of Taxes you should be COLLECTING on behalf of the State , and REMITTING to them, NO TWO STATES ARE ALIKE ! 2. One needs to distinguish between what they are selling to their customers !.. Internet Access / PTP Transport / VOIP / etc. These three items are the most commonly taxed items. Some States it is Sales Tax, Other States it is Communication Taxes, there can also be a local County / City component... (Note: There is Federal Law on the Books which exempts ANY kind of Tax Collection on INTERNET SERVICE (only, it does not apply to PTP Transport), with the exception of what was already in place by the 10 Grandfathered States...) 3. If you are providing VOIP services / Telephone Services or Interstate services, you have to File with the FCC, and they determine if you are Eligible for them to tax you for USF.. (Very important note.. USF is a TAX on Communication Services Providers ONLY... no one else, not end users, not customers etc However the LAW allows a Communication Carrier to RECOVER the USF Tax equivalent, from it's customer's Interstate / Long Distance services. (Lots of little if's and or buts here)..lets not get into the habit of confusing the tax with the recovery fee, they are related, but not the same !..) 4. If you are a BUYER of Long Haul Transport, and or any Voice/LD Services from another Carrier, You have the honor of Paying That Carrier their USF Recovery Fee... (This is not a tax on you !!!, but you get to pay it). However if you are a USF Contributing Eligible Carrier, who is not de-minimus, i.e. you are sending money to USF , then you can use your 499 ID, to get yourself OUT OF PAYING other Carriers USF Recovery Fee. (and there may be one or two other entities with similar exemptions). One has to be very careful when using the word TAX as in State Taxes or Federal Taxes, because if these are not Collected and Remitted in the prescribed manner, one is guilt of a very big crimeThis is the major reason why a lot of Telecom Bills will list extra items as FEES... not TAXES Hope this helps. Sorry to come across harsh and blunt, but what you originally wrote, was totally off... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.netmailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:21:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax I am going to forward this to both our FCC lawyer, and local lawyer, to get their opinions on this. We've been down this road several years ago I believe. I'll let everyone know the results. For the records, we do not have interstate transport to us, just intrastate, so we don't pay into any USF funds in any way, shape, or form... at least not directly. Nor are we a VOIP provider, so we don't charge end users of our services USF taxes. We are required I believe, under Alaska law, to charge sales tax on the Internet Access services we provide. Again, will double check. I would leave bluntness to actual lawyers who have documented sources and case laws. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 03:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: My sincere apologies, Josh, for calling you out on this... What you have stated below is quite wrong I am sorry for being so blunt.. WISP's are not selling 'a service', at least not per State and Federal Law definitions. Sales Taxes and Communication (services) Taxes, two different animals. USF is a TAX on Service Providers based on a very particular definition set of services Paying your service providers for USF RECOVERY Fees is NOT = PAYING USF TAXES Lot of verbiage, definitions, and it is rather important to be accurate is what you are saying and how your are saying... :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.netmailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:02:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax
http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/1431 something is in the works to make this Federal Exemption permanent...it is not a done deal though... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: James Howard ja...@litewire.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:33:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax I read online that the Federal exemption is set to expire this fall. Does anyone know if it’s been extended? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax Yes, please do forward it . I believe you are confusing a few items together... Let me see if I can clarify:- 1. One needs to consult your State Taxing Authority, to determine what type of Taxes you should be COLLECTING on behalf of the State , and REMITTING to them, NO TWO STATES ARE ALIKE ! 2. One needs to distinguish between what they are selling to their customers !.. Internet Access / PTP Transport / VOIP / etc. These three items are the most commonly taxed items. Some States it is Sales Tax, Other States it is Communication Taxes, there can also be a local County / City component... (Note: There is Federal Law on the Books which exempts ANY kind of Tax Collection on INTERNET SERVICE (only, it does not apply to PTP Transport), with the exception of what was already in place by the 10 Grandfathered States...) 3. If you are providing VOIP services / Telephone Services or Interstate services, you have to File with the FCC, and they determine if you are Eligible for them to tax you for USF.. (Very important note.. USF is a TAX on Communication Services Providers ONLY... no one else, not end users, not customers etc However the LAW allows a Communication Carrier to RECOVER the USF Tax equivalent, from it's customer's Interstate / Long Distance services. (Lots of little if's and or buts here)..lets not get into the habit of confusing the tax with the recovery fee, they are related, but not the same !..) 4. If you are a BUYER of Long Haul Transport, and or any Voice/LD Services from another Carrier, You have the honor of Paying That Carrier their USF Recovery Fee... (This is not a tax on you !!!, but you get to pay it). However if you are a USF Contributing Eligible Carrier, who is not de-minimus, i.e. you are sending money to USF , then you can use your 499 ID, to get yourself OUT OF PAYING other Carriers USF Recovery Fee. (and there may be one or two other entities with similar exemptions). One has to be very careful when using the word TAX as in State Taxes or Federal Taxes, because if these are not Collected and Remitted in the prescribed manner, one is guilt of a very big crimeThis is the major reason why a lot of Telecom Bills will list extra items as FEES... not TAXES Hope this helps. Sorry to come across harsh and blunt, but what you originally wrote, was totally off... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:21:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax I am going to forward this to both our FCC lawyer, and local lawyer, to get their opinions on this. We've been down this road several years ago I believe. I'll let everyone know the results. For the records, we do not have interstate transport to us, just intrastate, so we don't pay into any USF funds in any way, shape, or form... at least not directly. Nor are we a VOIP provider, so we don't charge end users of our services USF taxes. We are required I believe, under Alaska law, to charge sales tax on the Internet Access services we provide. Again, will double check. I would leave bluntness to actual lawyers who have documented sources and case laws. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 03:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: My sincere apologies, Josh, for calling you out on this... What you have stated below is quite wrong I am sorry for being so blunt.. WISP's are not selling 'a service', at least not per State and Federal Law definitions. Sales Taxes and Communication (services) Taxes, two different animals. USF is a TAX on Service Providers based on a very particular definition set of services Paying your service providers for USF RECOVERY Fees is NOT = PAYING USF TAXES Lot
Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax
-- Under the grandfather clause included in the Internet Tax Freedom Act, Texas is currently collecting a tax on Internet access charges over $25.00 per month. Texas collected tax on internet access prior to the enactment of ITFA under the Taxables Services provision of its Tax Code, see older § 151.0101(a). Texas has refined its tax code to define Internet access service, include it under Taxable Services and exempted the first $25.00 on a monthly basis, See current Texas Tax Code § 151.325 151.0101(a) --- and also listed in detail... http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=Tapp=9p_dir=Np_rloc=166385p_tloc=14689p_ploc=1pg=2p_tac=ti=34pt=ch=3rl=365 - Don't be afraid of picking up the phone and calling the State's Tax Dept. and speaking with their Legal Staff, for guidance, they are obligated to assist you with the info, and they cannot hold your questions against you. That is one of the best ways to get accurate legal advice at no charge / cost to you. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Sam w...@csilogan.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:52:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of that charge. Or is that not the way it works? Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all around Omaha NE. Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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You can also ask them for a letter of determination. It may take them a while to get it to you but with that you are covered. Steve Barnes General Manager PCSWIN.com Howard LLC. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax -- Under the grandfather clause included in the Internet Tax Freedom Act, Texas is currently collecting a tax on Internet access charges over $25.00 per month. Texas collected tax on internet access prior to the enactment of ITFA under the Taxables Services provision of its Tax Code, see older § 151.0101(a). Texas has refined its tax code to define Internet access service, include it under Taxable Services and exempted the first $25.00 on a monthly basis, See current Texas Tax Code § 151.325 151.0101(a) --- and also listed in detail... http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=Tapp=9p_dir=Np_rloc=166385p_tloc=14689p_ploc=1pg=2p_tac=ti=34pt=ch=3rl=365 - Don't be afraid of picking up the phone and calling the State's Tax Dept. and speaking with their Legal Staff, for guidance, they are obligated to assist you with the info, and they cannot hold your questions against you. That is one of the best ways to get accurate legal advice at no charge / cost to you. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Sam w...@csilogan.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:52:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of that charge. Or is that not the way it works? Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all around Omaha NE. Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Sam, I know when we were a wisp here in TX, we collected taxes on everything over $25 and all of our TX customers do it this way. So yes, tax on the service plan is charged at the state+local rates (if any) on just the amount over $25. All other services/products are taxed on the full amount of the service or product. Cameron On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote: Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of that charge. Or is that not the way it works? Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all around Omaha NE. Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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What if you sell the customer two bonded connections for $25 each? What happens then? Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: Sam, I know when we were a wisp here in TX, we collected taxes on everything over $25 and all of our TX customers do it this way. So yes, tax on the service plan is charged at the state+local rates (if any) on just the amount over $25. All other services/products are taxed on the full amount of the service or product. Cameron On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote: Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of that charge. Or is that not the way it works? Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all around Omaha NE. Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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It would go by the Account/invoice Sate of Texas/ Tax Dept. spells out rather clearly in detail on how they want this type of situation handled. If you want to know, just google for State of Texas Communication Taxes ... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:51:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax What if you sell the customer two bonded connections for $25 each? What happens then? Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: Sam, I know when we were a wisp here in TX, we collected taxes on everything over $25 and all of our TX customers do it this way. So yes, tax on the service plan is charged at the state+local rates (if any) on just the amount over $25. All other services/products are taxed on the full amount of the service or product. Cameron On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote: Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of that charge. Or is that not the way it works? Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all around Omaha NE. Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Ok. That was a somewhat legit question. :). So it's invoice total not service total. Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: It would go by the Account/invoice Sate of Texas/ Tax Dept. spells out rather clearly in detail on how they want this type of situation handled. If you want to know, just google for State of Texas Communication Taxes ... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:51:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax What if you sell the customer two bonded connections for $25 each? What happens then? Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: Sam, I know when we were a wisp here in TX, we collected taxes on everything over $25 and all of our TX customers do it this way. So yes, tax on the service plan is charged at the state+local rates (if any) on just the amount over $25. All other services/products are taxed on the full amount of the service or product. Cameron On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote: Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of that charge. Or is that not the way it works? Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all around Omaha NE. Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Not that simple either. Since taxes for different items on an invoice can be taxed differently, it gets more complex. On Jun 4, 2014 7:19 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Ok. That was a somewhat legit question. :). So it's invoice total not service total. Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: It would go by the Account/invoice Sate of Texas/ Tax Dept. spells out rather clearly in detail on how they want this type of situation handled. If you want to know, just google for State of Texas Communication Taxes ... Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net -- *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:51:55 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax What if you sell the customer two bonded connections for $25 each? What happens then? Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: Sam, I know when we were a wisp here in TX, we collected taxes on everything over $25 and all of our TX customers do it this way. So yes, tax on the service plan is charged at the state+local rates (if any) on just the amount over $25. All other services/products are taxed on the full amount of the service or product. Cameron On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote: Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of that charge. Or is that not the way it works? Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all around Omaha NE. Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Sales Tax
Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Varies by State.. I will suggest that you do some reading, googleing, start with Wikipedia.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tax_Freedom_Act and also consult your state's tax site / office etc. for more specific details. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Sam w...@csilogan.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:50:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Sales Tax Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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I think there are only two states that were grandfathered under that act. Texas is one of them and I think, OH. On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: Varies by State.. I will suggest that you do some reading, googleing, start with Wikipedia.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tax_Freedom_Act and also consult your state's tax site / office etc. for more specific details. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Sam w...@csilogan.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:50:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Sales Tax Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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we had a conversation with the state comptroller and he gave us all the skinny on what and how to charge taxes. he gave us a grid of like 6 things and depending on if it matched the grid depended on the tax or not. We are in Texas On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Sam w...@csilogan.com wrote: Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Ten states (which were grandfathered under the Internet Tax Freedom Acthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tax_Freedom_Act as part of a political compromise) are allowed to provide for some manner of taxation on ISP charges. The ten states are Hawaii, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Washington Wisconsin From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax I think there are only two states that were grandfathered under that act. Texas is one of them and I think, OH. On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.netmailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: Varies by State.. I will suggest that you do some reading, googleing, start with Wikipedia.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tax_Freedom_Act and also consult your state's tax site / office etc. for more specific details. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518tel:%28305%29663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.netmailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Sam w...@csilogan.commailto:w...@csilogan.com To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:50:38 PM Subject: [WISPA] Sales Tax Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orghttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net this sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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You're selling a service. Sales tax in most areas. If your have transport across state lines from a transport provider or your bandwidth provider, you may be responsible for USF taxes in certain cases. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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My sincere apologies, Josh, for calling you out on this... What you have stated below is quite wrong I am sorry for being so blunt.. WISP's are not selling 'a service', at least not per State and Federal Law definitions. Sales Taxes and Communication (services) Taxes, two different animals. USF is a TAX on Service Providers based on a very particular definition set of services Paying your service providers for USF RECOVERY Fees is NOT = PAYING USF TAXES Lot of verbiage, definitions, and it is rather important to be accurate is what you are saying and how your are saying... :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:02:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax You're selling a service. Sales tax in most areas. If your have transport across state lines from a transport provider or your bandwidth provider, you may be responsible for USF taxes in certain cases. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Say what? Here in PA services are not taxed. Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: My sincere apologies, Josh, for calling you out on this... What you have stated below is quite wrong I am sorry for being so blunt.. WISP's are not selling 'a service', at least not per State and Federal Law definitions. Sales Taxes and Communication (services) Taxes, two different animals. USF is a TAX on Service Providers based on a very particular definition set of services Paying your service providers for USF RECOVERY Fees is NOT = PAYING USF TAXES Lot of verbiage, definitions, and it is rather important to be accurate is what you are saying and how your are saying... :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:02:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax You're selling a service. Sales tax in most areas. If your have transport across state lines from a transport provider or your bandwidth provider, you may be responsible for USF taxes in certain cases. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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I am going to forward this to both our FCC lawyer, and local lawyer, to get their opinions on this. We've been down this road several years ago I believe. I'll let everyone know the results. For the records, we do not have interstate transport to us, just intrastate, so we don't pay into any USF funds in any way, shape, or form... at least not directly. Nor are we a VOIP provider, so we don't charge end users of our services USF taxes. We are required I believe, under Alaska law, to charge sales tax on the Internet Access services we provide. Again, will double check. I would leave bluntness to actual lawyers who have documented sources and case laws. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 03:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: My sincere apologies, Josh, for calling you out on this... What you have stated below is quite wrong I am sorry for being so blunt.. WISP's are not selling 'a service', at least not per State and Federal Law definitions. Sales Taxes and Communication (services) Taxes, two different animals. USF is a TAX on Service Providers based on a very particular definition set of services Paying your service providers for USF RECOVERY Fees is NOT = PAYING USF TAXES Lot of verbiage, definitions, and it is rather important to be accurate is what you are saying and how your are saying... :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:02:53 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax You're selling a service. Sales tax in most areas. If your have transport across state lines from a transport provider or your bandwidth provider, you may be responsible for USF taxes in certain cases. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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Even rent of buildings in Alaska has a tax. Say you rent a building. You have no ownership, it's not a sale, but under Alaska law it's taxed. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 04:50 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Say what? Here in PA services are not taxed. Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: My sincere apologies, Josh, for calling you out on this... What you have stated below is quite wrong I am sorry for being so blunt.. WISP's are not selling 'a service', at least not per State and Federal Law definitions. Sales Taxes and Communication (services) Taxes, two different animals. USF is a TAX on Service Providers based on a very particular definition set of services Paying your service providers for USF RECOVERY Fees is NOT = PAYING USF TAXES Lot of verbiage, definitions, and it is rather important to be accurate is what you are saying and how your are saying... :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:02:53 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax You're selling a service. Sales tax in most areas. If your have transport across state lines from a transport provider or your bandwidth provider, you may be responsible for USF taxes in certain cases. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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But you don't have state income tax! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:23 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax Even rent of buildings in Alaska has a tax. Say you rent a building. You have no ownership, it's not a sale, but under Alaska law it's taxed. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 04:50 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Say what? Here in PA services are not taxed. Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.netmailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: My sincere apologies, Josh, for calling you out on this... What you have stated below is quite wrong I am sorry for being so blunt.. WISP's are not selling 'a service', at least not per State and Federal Law definitions. Sales Taxes and Communication (services) Taxes, two different animals. USF is a TAX on Service Providers based on a very particular definition set of services Paying your service providers for USF RECOVERY Fees is NOT = PAYING USF TAXES Lot of verbiage, definitions, and it is rather important to be accurate is what you are saying and how your are saying... :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.netmailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:02:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax You're selling a service. Sales tax in most areas. If your have transport across state lines from a transport provider or your bandwidth provider, you may be responsible for USF taxes in certain cases. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orghttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net this sender / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org / Blockhttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net wispa.org enterprise-wide This message was delivered because the content filter score did not exceed your filter level. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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No, but we have borough and city taxes. (Think of a borough as a huge county, the size of a state.) *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 05:26 PM, James Howard wrote: But you don't have state income tax! *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Tuesday, June 3, 2014 8:23 PM *To:* wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax Even rent of buildings in Alaska has a tax. Say you rent a building. You have no ownership, it's not a sale, but under Alaska law it's taxed. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 04:50 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Say what? Here in PA services are not taxed. Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: My sincere apologies, Josh, for calling you out on this... What you have stated below is quite wrong I am sorry for being so blunt.. WISP's are not selling 'a service', at least not per State and Federal Law definitions. Sales Taxes and Communication (services) Taxes, two different animals. USF is a TAX on Service Providers based on a very particular definition set of services Paying your service providers for USF RECOVERY Fees is NOT = PAYING USF TAXES Lot of verbiage, definitions, and it is rather important to be accurate is what you are saying and how your are saying... :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:02:53 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax You're selling a service. Sales tax in most areas. If your have transport across state lines from a transport provider or your bandwidth provider, you may be responsible for USF taxes in certain cases. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net Message Score: 1 High (60): Pass My Spam Blocking Level: High Medium (75): Pass Low (90): Pass Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net this sender / Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2ent=1bl-sender-address=1rID=242260993aID=2086271067domain=litewire.net this sender enterprise-wide Block https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2bl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID
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You need to move. :) On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Even rent of buildings in Alaska has a tax. Say you rent a building. You have no ownership, it's not a sale, but under Alaska law it's taxed. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 04:50 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Say what? Here in PA services are not taxed. Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: My sincere apologies, Josh, for calling you out on this... What you have stated below is quite wrong I am sorry for being so blunt.. WISP's are not selling 'a service', at least not per State and Federal Law definitions. Sales Taxes and Communication (services) Taxes, two different animals. USF is a TAX on Service Providers based on a very particular definition set of services Paying your service providers for USF RECOVERY Fees is NOT = PAYING USF TAXES Lot of verbiage, definitions, and it is rather important to be accurate is what you are saying and how your are saying... :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:02:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax You're selling a service. Sales tax in most areas. If your have transport across state lines from a transport provider or your bandwidth provider, you may be responsible for USF taxes in certain cases. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax
... but I just got here! :) Somebody tried to get me to move to PA not long ago... *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 05:32 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: You need to move. :) On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Even rent of buildings in Alaska has a tax. Say you rent a building. You have no ownership, it's not a sale, but under Alaska law it's taxed. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 04:50 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Say what? Here in PA services are not taxed. Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net wrote: My sincere apologies, Josh, for calling you out on this... What you have stated below is quite wrong I am sorry for being so blunt.. WISP's are not selling 'a service', at least not per State and Federal Law definitions. Sales Taxes and Communication (services) Taxes, two different animals. USF is a TAX on Service Providers based on a very particular definition set of services Paying your service providers for USF RECOVERY Fees is NOT = PAYING USF TAXES Lot of verbiage, definitions, and it is rather important to be accurate is what you are saying and how your are saying... :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:02:53 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax You're selling a service. Sales tax in most areas. If your have transport across state lines from a transport provider or your bandwidth provider, you may be responsible for USF taxes in certain cases. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 11:50 AM, Sam wrote: Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc) to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far, far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers. Thanks, Sam ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax
Yes, please do forward it . I believe you are confusing a few items together... Let me see if I can clarify:- 1. One needs to consult your State Taxing Authority, to determine what type of Taxes you should be COLLECTING on behalf of the State , and REMITTING to them, NO TWO STATES ARE ALIKE ! 2. One needs to distinguish between what they are selling to their customers !.. Internet Access / PTP Transport / VOIP / etc. These three items are the most commonly taxed items. Some States it is Sales Tax, Other States it is Communication Taxes, there can also be a local County / City component... (Note: There is Federal Law on the Books which exempts ANY kind of Tax Collection on INTERNET SERVICE (only, it does not apply to PTP Transport), with the exception of what was already in place by the 10 Grandfathered States...) 3. If you are providing VOIP services / Telephone Services or Interstate services, you have to File with the FCC, and they determine if you are Eligible for them to tax you for USF.. (Very important note.. USF is a TAX on Communication Services Providers ONLY... no one else, not end users, not customers etc However the LAW allows a Communication Carrier to RECOVER the USF Tax equivalent, from it's customer's Interstate / Long Distance services. (Lots of little if's and or buts here)..lets not get into the habit of confusing the tax with the recovery fee, they are related, but not the same !..) 4. If you are a BUYER of Long Haul Transport, and or any Voice/LD Services from another Carrier, You have the honor of Paying That Carrier their USF Recovery Fee... (This is not a tax on you !!!, but you get to pay it). However if you are a USF Contributing Eligible Carrier, who is not de-minimus, i.e. you are sending money to USF , then you can use your 499 ID, to get yourself OUT OF PAYING other Carriers USF Recovery Fee. (and there may be one or two other entities with similar exemptions). One has to be very careful when using the word TAX as in State Taxes or Federal Taxes, because if these are not Collected and Remitted in the prescribed manner, one is guilt of a very big crimeThis is the major reason why a lot of Telecom Bills will list extra items as FEES... not TAXES Hope this helps. Sorry to come across harsh and blunt, but what you originally wrote, was totally off... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:21:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax I am going to forward this to both our FCC lawyer, and local lawyer, to get their opinions on this. We've been down this road several years ago I believe. I'll let everyone know the results. For the records, we do not have interstate transport to us, just intrastate, so we don't pay into any USF funds in any way, shape, or form... at least not directly. Nor are we a VOIP provider, so we don't charge end users of our services USF taxes. We are required I believe, under Alaska law, to charge sales tax on the Internet Access services we provide. Again, will double check. I would leave bluntness to actual lawyers who have documented sources and case laws. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 03:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: My sincere apologies, Josh, for calling you out on this... What you have stated below is quite wrong I am sorry for being so blunt.. WISP's are not selling 'a service', at least not per State and Federal Law definitions. Sales Taxes and Communication (services) Taxes, two different animals. USF is a TAX on Service Providers based on a very particular definition set of services Paying your service providers for USF RECOVERY Fees is NOT = PAYING USF TAXES Lot of verbiage, definitions, and it is rather important to be accurate is what you are saying and how your are saying... :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 7:02:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax You're selling a service. Sales tax in most areas. If your have transport across state lines from a transport provider or your bandwidth provider, you may be responsible for USF taxes in certain cases. Josh Reynolds Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 11:50 AM, Sam wrote
Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax
We're going to pull our info from local and FCC-involved legal counsel, as well as the borough tax office (as stated before, Alaska does not collect state tax). We'll forward specific information (as a de-minimus provider), as applies to us here in Alaska, on the WISPA-AK list for reference. Forum lawyers (and list-lawyers) have gotten many people in serious trouble in the past. Thankfully, not us to this point. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 07:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Yes, please do forward it . I believe you are confusing a few items together... Let me see if I can clarify:- 1. One needs to consult your State Taxing Authority, to determine what type of Taxes you should be COLLECTING on behalf of the State , and REMITTING to them, NO TWO STATES ARE ALIKE ! 2. One needs to distinguish between what they are selling to their customers !.. Internet Access / PTP Transport / VOIP / etc. These three items are the most commonly taxed items. Some States it is Sales Tax, Other States it is Communication Taxes, there can also be a local County / City component... (Note: There is Federal Law on the Books which exempts ANY kind of Tax Collection on INTERNET SERVICE (only, it does not apply to PTP Transport), with the exception of what was already in place by the 10 Grandfathered States...) 3. If you are providing VOIP services / Telephone Services or Interstate services, you have to File with the FCC, and they determine if you are Eligible for them to tax you for USF.. (Very important note.. USF is a TAX on Communication Services Providers ONLY... no one else, not end users, not customers etc However the LAW allows a Communication Carrier to RECOVER the USF Tax equivalent, from it's customer's Interstate / Long Distance services. (Lots of little if's and or buts here)..lets not get into the habit of confusing the tax with the recovery fee, they are related, but not the same !..) 4. If you are a BUYER of Long Haul Transport, and or any Voice/LD Services from another Carrier, You have the honor of Paying That Carrier their USF Recovery Fee... (This is not a tax on you !!!, but you get to pay it). However if you are a USF Contributing Eligible Carrier, who is not de-minimus, i.e. you are sending money to USF , then you can use your 499 ID, to get yourself OUT OF PAYING other Carriers USF Recovery Fee. (and there may be one or two other entities with similar exemptions). One has to be very careful when using the word TAX as in State Taxes or Federal Taxes, because if these are not Collected and Remitted in the prescribed manner, one is guilt of a very big crimeThis is the major reason why a lot of Telecom Bills will list extra items as FEES... not TAXES Hope this helps. Sorry to come across harsh and blunt, but what you originally wrote, was totally off... Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, June 3, 2014 9:21:46 PM *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax I am going to forward this to both our FCC lawyer, and local lawyer, to get their opinions on this. We've been down this road several years ago I believe. I'll let everyone know the results. For the records, we do not have interstate transport to us, just intrastate, so we don't pay into any USF funds in any way, shape, or form... at least not directly. Nor are we a VOIP provider, so we don't charge end users of our services USF taxes. We are required I believe, under Alaska law, to charge sales tax on the Internet Access services we provide. Again, will double check. I would leave bluntness to actual lawyers who have documented sources and case laws. *Josh Reynolds* Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com On 06/03/2014 03:53 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: My sincere apologies, Josh, for calling you out on this... What you have stated below is quite wrong I am sorry for being so blunt.. WISP's are not selling 'a service', at least not per State and Federal Law definitions. Sales Taxes and Communication (services) Taxes, two different animals. USF is a TAX on Service Providers based on a very particular definition set of services Paying your service providers for USF RECOVERY Fees is NOT = PAYING USF TAXES Lot of verbiage, definitions, and it is rather important to be accurate is what you are saying and how your are saying... :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz
