Re: [WISPA] Survey Comments: 2. Do you see value in raising WISPA feesto allow for more efficient lobbying efforts with the FCC andother Government Entities

2008-12-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
The narrower they are the higher the power can be.  It's a complicated formula 
that I never figured out.
marlon

  - Original Message - 
  From: Blair Davis 
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  Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Survey Comments: 2. Do you see value in raising WISPA 
feesto allow for more efficient lobbying efforts with the FCC andother 
Government Entities


  Marlon K. Schafer wrote: 
Got the FCC to agree that a routed group of individual AP's could fall under 
the same higher powered 2.4ghz rules as active antennas.  Too bad no one 
built and certified a system of 8 or 10 ap's with very narrow sectors (how 
about 24db grids :-).  Did you guys know that we CAN use more than 4 watts 
at the AP's if the systems are designed right and are certified as such? 
WISPA got that interpretation of the rules done.I remember reading about this, 
but never managed to find out how narrow the beams would have to be.

  If 60-90 deg would work, there are MANY good ways to do it





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Re: [WISPA] Survey Comments: 2. Do you see value in raising WISPA feesto allow for more efficient lobbying efforts with the FCC andother Government Entities

2008-12-15 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Comments inline:


 9.   I'm conflicted on this. I'm not sure WISPA is having
 any real effect, but I'm not sure they are not.  [We believe we had a 
 major
 impact in the TV Whitespaces NPRM and outcome, it has taught us the
 importance of strong legal counsel in Washington DC and it has assisted us
 in talking to the right people.]

I know I'll miss some things here, but lets see what I can come up with off 
the top of my head:
CALEA standard.  WISPA has the ONLY free to everyone standard that's made it 
through the whole process.  We worked directly with the FBI on our standard. 
There are standards out there that the FBI is said to be fighting against.
Form 477 FAQ #8.  That one is the direct result of a group of WISPs that met 
with the Form 477 folks to help clarify exactly what WISPs are expeted to do 
and how we're to do it.  Sure saved me a LOT of time and heartache.
Clarification of the new updated FCC rules after the last major upgrade to 
them.
Got the FCC to agree that a routed group of individual AP's could fall under 
the same higher powered 2.4ghz rules as active antennas.  Too bad no one 
built and certified a system of 8 or 10 ap's with very narrow sectors (how 
about 24db grids :-).  Did you guys know that we CAN use more than 4 watts 
at the AP's if the systems are designed right and are certified as such? 
WISPA got that interpretation of the rules done.
Worked the Whitespaces issue for 4 years.  It tried to die a natural death 
several times.  We kept after it every chance we got.
Done multiple training sessions for FCC staff.  (we teach them what really 
goes on out in the world.)


 10.   The only way we are going to be heard is if we have a 
 full
 time presence just like the big boys.  [In process since July!]

Not true.  We're heard every time we open our mouths.  They (the FCC) LOVE 
to hear from us.  We are the guys in the trenches.  We're the ones with the 
bloody knuckles.  They know that.  I've never been turned down for a meeting 
at the FCC, I've met with all of the commissioners but one.  I've had 
meetings with the chairman's office.  In fact I met with Martin back when he 
was still a commissioner.  Got the pictures to prove it :-).  None of this 
is because of me or anyone I know.  It's because of who we are within the 
internet industry.


 11.   I feel the dues should be based on a WISP's subscriber
 count. Vendor dues should be based on a member's annual revenues or some
 other metric.  [That is one of the options we are looking at.]

I said that since before we even were WISPA.


 12.   Can't agree to raising the price when I don't know the
 current price. [$250 annually]

 13.   No, but I would pay more for stuff that I can reach out
 and touch. Buying groups, documents, passworded site with super vault 
 filled
 with treasures.  [We are currently developing a members only section 
 on
 the website where these documents can be stored.  We will also be 
 developing
 further member discounts with our vendors over the next few months.  There
 are already some discounts listed on the
 http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=256 Vendor Discounts page on the website.]

Don't forget what WISPA's mission is.  Rick, is the mission statement right 
at the top of the home page yet?


 14.   I would rather see income rise because of membership
 increases before raising the dues.  [I agree, however, after 4 years and
 some major current lobbying efforts and a need for an Executive director 
 or
 staff, we have reached a level where we need to reassess our dues 
 structure
 to achieve all the desires of our members]

 15.   only slightly, since it tends to drive out the smaller
 startups!  [We are very aware of this, it is always at the forefront of 
 our
 thought processes]

 16.   I think they should remain the same.

 17.   Bring forth products and services, then take a cut of 
 them
 to fund lobbying efforts. [This is also something we are considering]

 18.   I would need to see more specific examples of how
 additional funding is needed to achieve tangible goals.  [See above, if 
 this
 doesn't answer your questions, email me offlist]

 19.   actually this should be unknown or N/A as I am not fully
 aware of WISPAs lobbying efforts. [See above]

 20.   I think that indepth lobbying that can be effective is
 critical. WISPA has shown massive progress and influence on the process 
 and
 anything supporting those continued efforts would be well received. Can I
 just donate money toward lobbying and not join?  [Thank you for your
 encouragement. Of course, email me offlist and we can take care of your
 request but why would you not join?]

I agree with Rick here.  The money (more importantly the time) always helps. 
But part of what adds weight to our statements is numbers.  The more members 
we have the more people we can speak for 

Re: [WISPA] Survey Comments: 2. Do you see value in raising WISPA feesto allow for more efficient lobbying efforts with the FCC andother Government Entities

2008-12-15 Thread Blair Davis




Marlon K. Schafer wrote:

  
Got the FCC to agree that a routed group of individual AP's could fall under 
the same higher powered 2.4ghz rules as active antennas.  Too bad no one 
built and certified a system of 8 or 10 ap's with very narrow sectors (how 
about 24db grids :-).  Did you guys know that we CAN use more than 4 watts 
at the AP's if the systems are designed right and are certified as such? 
WISPA got that interpretation of the rules done.

I remember reading about this, but never managed to find out how narrow
the beams would have to be.

If 60-90 deg would work, there are MANY good ways to do it







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