[WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

2011-04-16 Thread Charles Wu
From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the guy 
some credit...

http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/




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Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

2011-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Matt, are you around?

This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would 
otherwise be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource 
efficient.  However, I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in 
yield vs. conventional farming.

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On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
  From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the guy 
  some credit...

 http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/



 
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Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

2011-04-16 Thread Chuck Hogg
Stacking it on top of each other and using hydroponics.  I think
Discovery Channel or one of them did a bit on Eurofresh in Arizona on
how they grow tomatoes.  Totally amazing.  I showed it to a local
farmer here and he's trying to get a small 1/2 acre batch growing
here.

Regards,
Chuck



On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
 Matt, are you around?

 This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would
 otherwise be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource
 efficient.  However, I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in
 yield vs. conventional farming.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
  From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the guy 
  some credit...

 http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/



 
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Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

2011-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm not going to doubt his claims, I'm just curious.

Surely he doesn't have shelves 136 rows high in the container.

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On 4/16/2011 9:17 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
 Stacking it on top of each other and using hydroponics.  I think
 Discovery Channel or one of them did a bit on Eurofresh in Arizona on
 how they grow tomatoes.  Totally amazing.  I showed it to a local
 farmer here and he's trying to get a small 1/2 acre batch growing
 here.

 Regards,
 Chuck



 On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.net  
 wrote:
 Matt, are you around?

 This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would
 otherwise be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource
 efficient.  However, I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in
 yield vs. conventional farming.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
  From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the 
 guy some credit...
 http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/



 
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Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

2011-04-16 Thread Brian Webster
I would guess that that level of yield increase is due to things like more
efficient growing due to accurate nutrient balance, the tiers he uses as
well as there or no weather elements to deal with which would give you a
consistent year round growing season. One acre of actual land has to deal
with mother nature and a shorter growing period. These pods can constantly
grow plants and stagger the age of the seedlings to give a consistent yield
on a daily or weekly basis thus giving you and constant availability of
product and not have to deal with the problem of in season or the massive
increase in shipping costs to bring product that is desired from areas that
do have an active growing season. I think this is a great concept. This is
not just for urban environments. Small acreage farmers could do wonders with
their productivity and be able to have a consistent revenue stream if they
keep their pods free of contaminants. There would no longer be bad years
because of frost or drought. Kudos to Matt!

Brian

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

Matt, are you around?

This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would otherwise
be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource efficient.  However,
I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in yield vs. conventional
farming.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
  From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the
guy some credit...

 http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/



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Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

2011-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
*nods*  I come from a relatively small farm (2500 acres, 2400 pigs, 2 
dozen cattle).  Being a technologist I am always curious as to 
advancements in production efficiency.

I do wonder about the cost effectiveness of this model and how well it 
can scale (within a given crop and to other crops).  Can we get the 
almost 500k bushels of corn and soybeans we get now from 18 containers?

-
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On 4/16/2011 10:07 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
 I would guess that that level of yield increase is due to things like more
 efficient growing due to accurate nutrient balance, the tiers he uses as
 well as there or no weather elements to deal with which would give you a
 consistent year round growing season. One acre of actual land has to deal
 with mother nature and a shorter growing period. These pods can constantly
 grow plants and stagger the age of the seedlings to give a consistent yield
 on a daily or weekly basis thus giving you and constant availability of
 product and not have to deal with the problem of in season or the massive
 increase in shipping costs to bring product that is desired from areas that
 do have an active growing season. I think this is a great concept. This is
 not just for urban environments. Small acreage farmers could do wonders with
 their productivity and be able to have a consistent revenue stream if they
 keep their pods free of contaminants. There would no longer be bad years
 because of frost or drought. Kudos to Matt!

 Brian

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

 Matt, are you around?

 This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would otherwise
 be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource efficient.  However,
 I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in yield vs. conventional
 farming.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
  From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the
 guy some credit...
 http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/



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Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

2011-04-16 Thread Brian Webster
Your definition of small is huge by NY dairy farm standards. Most around
here have between 100 and 300 acres. These small farms could do well by
supplementing their dairy product with some of these produce pods. There is
a decent demand for specialty foods in relatively small quantities as
compared to what you are used to. I do not know how well it would scale for
the volume of what you are describing. I would imagine the biggest challenge
would be the harvesting process and how much labor it would involve as
compared to the mechanized methods in use today. The idea of producing a
significant portion of consumer foods at points near or nearer to the point
of consumption has merit, plus as well all know distributed production does
not leave one as vulnerable to shortages and/or price fixing.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
Cooperstown, NY 13326
(607) 643-4055 Office
(607) 435-3988 Mobile
(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst
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www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:21 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

*nods*  I come from a relatively small farm (2500 acres, 2400 pigs, 2 dozen
cattle).  Being a technologist I am always curious as to advancements in
production efficiency.

I do wonder about the cost effectiveness of this model and how well it can
scale (within a given crop and to other crops).  Can we get the almost 500k
bushels of corn and soybeans we get now from 18 containers?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 4/16/2011 10:07 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
 I would guess that that level of yield increase is due to things like 
 more efficient growing due to accurate nutrient balance, the tiers he 
 uses as well as there or no weather elements to deal with which would 
 give you a consistent year round growing season. One acre of actual 
 land has to deal with mother nature and a shorter growing period. 
 These pods can constantly grow plants and stagger the age of the 
 seedlings to give a consistent yield on a daily or weekly basis thus 
 giving you and constant availability of product and not have to deal 
 with the problem of in season or the massive increase in shipping 
 costs to bring product that is desired from areas that do have an 
 active growing season. I think this is a great concept. This is not 
 just for urban environments. Small acreage farmers could do wonders 
 with their productivity and be able to have a consistent revenue 
 stream if they keep their pods free of contaminants. There would no longer
be bad years because of frost or drought. Kudos to Matt!

 Brian

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
 On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

 Matt, are you around?

 This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would 
 otherwise be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource 
 efficient.  However, I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in 
 yield vs. conventional farming.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
  From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give 
 the
 guy some credit...
 http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/



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Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

2011-04-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Well, I think there's a great parallel here with the WISP industry.  For 
the time being, raising food (providing Internet) for the masses is best 
done by traditional means as they're the only ones with sufficient scale 
to encompass large quantities.  However, just as you can't run a 
traditional farm in downtown Chicago, you can't run a DSL or cable 
system effectively in Montana.

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On 4/16/2011 11:10 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
 Your definition of small is huge by NY dairy farm standards. Most around
 here have between 100 and 300 acres. These small farms could do well by
 supplementing their dairy product with some of these produce pods. There is
 a decent demand for specialty foods in relatively small quantities as
 compared to what you are used to. I do not know how well it would scale for
 the volume of what you are describing. I would imagine the biggest challenge
 would be the harvesting process and how much labor it would involve as
 compared to the mechanized methods in use today. The idea of producing a
 significant portion of consumer foods at points near or nearer to the point
 of consumption has merit, plus as well all know distributed production does
 not leave one as vulnerable to shortages and/or price fixing.

 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
 Cooperstown, NY 13326
 (607) 643-4055 Office
 (607) 435-3988 Mobile
 (208) 692-1898 Fax
 Skype: Radiowebst
 www.wirelessmapping.com
 www.Broadband-Mapping.com


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 11:21 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

 *nods*  I come from a relatively small farm (2500 acres, 2400 pigs, 2 dozen
 cattle).  Being a technologist I am always curious as to advancements in
 production efficiency.

 I do wonder about the cost effectiveness of this model and how well it can
 scale (within a given crop and to other crops).  Can we get the almost 500k
 bushels of corn and soybeans we get now from 18 containers?

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 4/16/2011 10:07 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
 I would guess that that level of yield increase is due to things like
 more efficient growing due to accurate nutrient balance, the tiers he
 uses as well as there or no weather elements to deal with which would
 give you a consistent year round growing season. One acre of actual
 land has to deal with mother nature and a shorter growing period.
 These pods can constantly grow plants and stagger the age of the
 seedlings to give a consistent yield on a daily or weekly basis thus
 giving you and constant availability of product and not have to deal
 with the problem of in season or the massive increase in shipping
 costs to bring product that is desired from areas that do have an
 active growing season. I think this is a great concept. This is not
 just for urban environments. Small acreage farmers could do wonders
 with their productivity and be able to have a consistent revenue
 stream if they keep their pods free of contaminants. There would no longer
 be bad years because of frost or drought. Kudos to Matt!
 Brian

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
 Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

 Matt, are you around?

 This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would
 otherwise be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource
 efficient.  However, I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in
 yield vs. conventional farming.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give
 the
 guy some credit...
 http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/



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Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

2011-04-16 Thread RickG
Airmax ;)

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

 Matt, are you around?

 This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would
 otherwise be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource
 efficient.  However, I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in
 yield vs. conventional farming.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
   From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the
 guy some credit...
 
  http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

2011-04-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Wouldn't it have to be like DirtMax?  or SeedMax?

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On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 4:34 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Airmax ;)

 On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote:

 Matt, are you around?

 This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would
 otherwise be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource
 efficient.  However, I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in
 yield vs. conventional farming.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
   From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the
 guy some credit...
 
  http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

2011-04-16 Thread Jerry Richardson
AirPonics


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh 
Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:36 PM
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Wouldn't it have to be like DirtMax?  or SeedMax?

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 4:34 PM, RickG 
rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
Airmax ;)

On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett 
wispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote:
Matt, are you around?

This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would
otherwise be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource
efficient.  However, I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in
yield vs. conventional farming.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
  From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give the guy 
  some credit...

 http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/04/16/podponics/



 
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Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

2011-04-16 Thread Chuck Hogg
Take a look at where 1/3 of our tomatoes come from.  Hydroponics in
Arizona from Eurofresh.  These guys have rails of Tomatoe vines on
winches, that just pick them up to keep them growing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZwyWfqSck4

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On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 AirPonics

 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of
 Josh Luthman [j...@imaginenetworksllc.com]
 Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:36 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update - what Matt Liotta has been doing...

 Wouldn't it have to be like DirtMax?  or SeedMax?

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 On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 4:34 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Airmax ;)

 On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 wrote:

 Matt, are you around?

 This method of farming can certainly grow produce where it would
 otherwise be impossible or impractical.  It also is more resource
 efficient.  However, I am curious how Matt can get a 136x increase in
 yield vs. conventional farming.

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 Mike Hammett
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 On 4/16/2011 8:45 AM, Charles Wu wrote:
   From WISP to high-tech farmer to being profiled on CNN; gotta give
   the guy some credit...
 
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