Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?)
Switching to Belden 1300A, shielded with drain wire and shielded connectors has reduced static damage and the need to reboot/power cycle equipment by more than 50%. Mike Hammett wrote: People are using patch cords from Walmart in their WISP installs? Jeez... I use regular outdoor cable, no flooding, no shielding, just UV protected cable. It's all I normally need and I've been doing this for a few years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Robert West" robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:00 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?) Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside the bullet caps. (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the design...???) Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor shielded cable, not patch with the boots. You wouldn't believe how many negative comments came from that. Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch cables and bright shiny connectors. And now there is an army of installers following these lies. We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor shielded connector. All connections wrapped. It's not as pretty but I don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble free. I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct install. They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see one of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the things that are wrong. On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?)
People are using patch cords from Walmart in their WISP installs? Jeez... I use regular outdoor cable, no flooding, no shielding, just UV protected cable. It's all I normally need and I've been doing this for a few years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?) Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside the bullet caps. (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the design...???) Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor shielded cable, not patch with the boots. You wouldn't believe how many negative comments came from that. Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch cables and bright shiny connectors. And now there is an army of installers following these lies. We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor shielded connector. All connections wrapped. It's not as pretty but I don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble free. I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct install. They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see one of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the things that are wrong. On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?)
Yep. And some are very smug about it. As if anyone using anything else is pretty darned stupid. We use the flooded and shielded just to use one cable. Had call for it a few times so we just use it always. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 5:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?) People are using patch cords from Walmart in their WISP installs? Jeez... I use regular outdoor cable, no flooding, no shielding, just UV protected cable. It's all I normally need and I've been doing this for a few years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?) Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside the bullet caps. (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the design...???) Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor shielded cable, not patch with the boots. You wouldn't believe how many negative comments came from that. Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch cables and bright shiny connectors. And now there is an army of installers following these lies. We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor shielded connector. All connections wrapped. It's not as pretty but I don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble free. I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct install. They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see one of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the things that are wrong. On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?)
We run our own ALL Mikrotk WISP with several hundred clients. We have REAL WORLD deployments of N running 55 meg TCP! Etc, we sell what we use, not what is cheap etc. We have 5+ years of building complete CPE and APs that WE deploy! --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?) MT - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
