Re: [WISPA] Very poor quality when using Rocket M2 as AP vs using StarOS
Same results on my first try as well. I swapped the Rockets back out with Bullet2's and they work much better! I haven't had time to play with them since. The 5GHz Rockets are a different story. They work very well so I might just skip the 2.4 units altogether. You didn't mention what CPE you have. I'm 50% Tranzeo, 50% UBNT. I will say the M radios work very well with each other, just not very friendly with G or B units. If you or anyone else figures out something, please post. Its a shame to let $1000 of equipment go to waste! On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Justin Mann justinl...@unwiredwest.comwrote: Hello, We have been considering replacing our StarOS APs at a particular site with Rocket M2s. This site is very high up, and is composed of 6 2.4GHz APs, 3 vertical, 3 horizontal. They face NW, W and SW, and are all using 10Mhz channels in 802.11g operation mode. The busiest sector has about 30 clients on it. We replaced the Star unit (StarOS V3, using UBNT XR2 with 14 gain antenna) with a Rocket M2. The results so far have been pretty terrible. We can't adjust the transmit rate on these since the Rocket is an 802.11n device, but we are seeing performance far worse than we did with the Star AP. CCQ rates on the AP are often in the 20s and 30s, packet loss is high, latency is high and throughput is low. This is even with relatively low traffic on the AP. The CPEs are all a mix of StarOS CPEs and UBNT bullet 2s, and are all generally long-distance. Does anyone else have experience with a similar scenario, and have people had succeed using rockets as APs for 80211g clients? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Very poor quality when using Rocket M2 as AP vs using StarOS
I mentioned below they are a mix of StarOS and UBNT Bullet 2s... nothing else involved. A bullet 2 as an AP worked better for you, then? We might have to consider that. On 09/24/2010 03:47 PM, RickG wrote: Same results on my first try as well. I swapped the Rockets back out with Bullet2's and they work much better! I haven't had time to play with them since. The 5GHz Rockets are a different story. They work very well so I might just skip the 2.4 units altogether. You didn't mention what CPE you have. I'm 50% Tranzeo, 50% UBNT. I will say the M radios work very well with each other, just not very friendly with G or B units. If you or anyone else figures out something, please post. Its a shame to let $1000 of equipment go to waste! On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Justin Mann justinl...@unwiredwest.com mailto:justinl...@unwiredwest.com wrote: Hello, We have been considering replacing our StarOS APs at a particular site with Rocket M2s. This site is very high up, and is composed of 6 2.4GHz APs, 3 vertical, 3 horizontal. They face NW, W and SW, and are all using 10Mhz channels in 802.11g operation mode. The busiest sector has about 30 clients on it. We replaced the Star unit (StarOS V3, using UBNT XR2 with 14 gain antenna) with a Rocket M2. The results so far have been pretty terrible. We can't adjust the transmit rate on these since the Rocket is an 802.11n device, but we are seeing performance far worse than we did with the Star AP. CCQ rates on the AP are often in the 20s and 30s, packet loss is high, latency is high and throughput is low. This is even with relatively low traffic on the AP. The CPEs are all a mix of StarOS CPEs and UBNT bullet 2s, and are all generally long-distance. Does anyone else have experience with a similar scenario, and have people had succeed using rockets as APs for 80211g clients? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Very poor quality when using Rocket M2 as AP vs using StarOS
The M series do not work as well as the legacy series to B/G clients, this isn't a secret. If you want to support legacy gear, you should use the legacy series for your AP's (they work fine as clients), they work much better in mixed b/g mode then the M series. M series AP's do scale worse running in mixed mode then the previous generation, you will see the symptoms you describe. Regares Michael Baird Same results on my first try as well. I swapped the Rockets back out with Bullet2's and they work much better! I haven't had time to play with them since. The 5GHz Rockets are a different story. They work very well so I might just skip the 2.4 units altogether. You didn't mention what CPE you have. I'm 50% Tranzeo, 50% UBNT. I will say the M radios work very well with each other, just not very friendly with G or B units. If you or anyone else figures out something, please post. Its a shame to let $1000 of equipment go to waste! On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Justin Mann justinl...@unwiredwest.com mailto:justinl...@unwiredwest.com wrote: Hello, We have been considering replacing our StarOS APs at a particular site with Rocket M2s. This site is very high up, and is composed of 6 2.4GHz APs, 3 vertical, 3 horizontal. They face NW, W and SW, and are all using 10Mhz channels in 802.11g operation mode. The busiest sector has about 30 clients on it. We replaced the Star unit (StarOS V3, using UBNT XR2 with 14 gain antenna) with a Rocket M2. The results so far have been pretty terrible. We can't adjust the transmit rate on these since the Rocket is an 802.11n device, but we are seeing performance far worse than we did with the Star AP. CCQ rates on the AP are often in the 20s and 30s, packet loss is high, latency is high and throughput is low. This is even with relatively low traffic on the AP. The CPEs are all a mix of StarOS CPEs and UBNT bullet 2s, and are all generally long-distance. Does anyone else have experience with a similar scenario, and have people had succeed using rockets as APs for 80211g clients? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Very poor quality when using Rocket M2 as AP vs using StarOS
Sorry, I do see that now. Reading too quick on a Friday night =\ Yes, Bullet2HP units work well. I've used a few Bullet2 units for the small repeaters but the radio int he HP is much better. -RickG On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Justin Mann justinl...@unwiredwest.comwrote: I mentioned below they are a mix of StarOS and UBNT Bullet 2s... nothing else involved. A bullet 2 as an AP worked better for you, then? We might have to consider that. On 09/24/2010 03:47 PM, RickG wrote: Same results on my first try as well. I swapped the Rockets back out with Bullet2's and they work much better! I haven't had time to play with them since. The 5GHz Rockets are a different story. They work very well so I might just skip the 2.4 units altogether. You didn't mention what CPE you have. I'm 50% Tranzeo, 50% UBNT. I will say the M radios work very well with each other, just not very friendly with G or B units. If you or anyone else figures out something, please post. Its a shame to let $1000 of equipment go to waste! On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Justin Mann justinl...@unwiredwest.com mailto:justinl...@unwiredwest.com wrote: Hello, We have been considering replacing our StarOS APs at a particular site with Rocket M2s. This site is very high up, and is composed of 6 2.4GHz APs, 3 vertical, 3 horizontal. They face NW, W and SW, and are all using 10Mhz channels in 802.11g operation mode. The busiest sector has about 30 clients on it. We replaced the Star unit (StarOS V3, using UBNT XR2 with 14 gain antenna) with a Rocket M2. The results so far have been pretty terrible. We can't adjust the transmit rate on these since the Rocket is an 802.11n device, but we are seeing performance far worse than we did with the Star AP. CCQ rates on the AP are often in the 20s and 30s, packet loss is high, latency is high and throughput is low. This is even with relatively low traffic on the AP. The CPEs are all a mix of StarOS CPEs and UBNT bullet 2s, and are all generally long-distance. Does anyone else have experience with a similar scenario, and have people had succeed using rockets as APs for 80211g clients? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Very poor quality when using Rocket M2 as AP vs using StarOS
What Antenna are u using with the Rocket M2 ? UBNT Antenna's have built in Electrical DownTilts. Do you calcs to make sure that you appropriate Mechanical Tilt. ( In most cases there is no Mechanical DownTilt or Uptilt needed). Another thing to watch out for with Rocket M2's is to make sure that the Jumpers were not Kinked and no sharp bends on them. And lastly, what firmware you are using with the M2 ? download the latest version 5.2.1 from UBNT website. for you Airmax should be off. Check on these for starter.(you may have a couple of other things going on as well...) Faisal Imtiaz On 9/24/2010 6:29 PM, Justin Mann wrote: Hello, We have been considering replacing our StarOS APs at a particular site with Rocket M2s. This site is very high up, and is composed of 6 2.4GHz APs, 3 vertical, 3 horizontal. They face NW, W and SW, and are all using 10Mhz channels in 802.11g operation mode. The busiest sector has about 30 clients on it. We replaced the Star unit (StarOS V3, using UBNT XR2 with 14 gain antenna) with a Rocket M2. The results so far have been pretty terrible. We can't adjust the transmit rate on these since the Rocket is an 802.11n device, but we are seeing performance far worse than we did with the Star AP. CCQ rates on the AP are often in the 20s and 30s, packet loss is high, latency is high and throughput is low. This is even with relatively low traffic on the AP. The CPEs are all a mix of StarOS CPEs and UBNT bullet 2s, and are all generally long-distance. Does anyone else have experience with a similar scenario, and have people had succeed using rockets as APs for 80211g clients? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Very poor quality when using Rocket M2 as AP vs using StarOS
It may note be a secret but I wish I heard it before spending the money. (I bought them when they first came out). At least, I only purchased for a single tower trial so my loss was limited. Although, I'm sure I'll find a home for them. It just makes it difficult to upgrade if you have to wait until all CPE's are upgraded before the tower. On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: The M series do not work as well as the legacy series to B/G clients, this isn't a secret. If you want to support legacy gear, you should use the legacy series for your AP's (they work fine as clients), they work much better in mixed b/g mode then the M series. M series AP's do scale worse running in mixed mode then the previous generation, you will see the symptoms you describe. Regares Michael Baird Same results on my first try as well. I swapped the Rockets back out with Bullet2's and they work much better! I haven't had time to play with them since. The 5GHz Rockets are a different story. They work very well so I might just skip the 2.4 units altogether. You didn't mention what CPE you have. I'm 50% Tranzeo, 50% UBNT. I will say the M radios work very well with each other, just not very friendly with G or B units. If you or anyone else figures out something, please post. Its a shame to let $1000 of equipment go to waste! On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Justin Mann justinl...@unwiredwest.comwrote: Hello, We have been considering replacing our StarOS APs at a particular site with Rocket M2s. This site is very high up, and is composed of 6 2.4GHz APs, 3 vertical, 3 horizontal. They face NW, W and SW, and are all using 10Mhz channels in 802.11g operation mode. The busiest sector has about 30 clients on it. We replaced the Star unit (StarOS V3, using UBNT XR2 with 14 gain antenna) with a Rocket M2. The results so far have been pretty terrible. We can't adjust the transmit rate on these since the Rocket is an 802.11n device, but we are seeing performance far worse than we did with the Star AP. CCQ rates on the AP are often in the 20s and 30s, packet loss is high, latency is high and throughput is low. This is even with relatively low traffic on the AP. The CPEs are all a mix of StarOS CPEs and UBNT bullet 2s, and are all generally long-distance. Does anyone else have experience with a similar scenario, and have people had succeed using rockets as APs for 80211g clients? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
