Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation
They were told $1500 here. That's CELL phone company use though. Not wisp. I took an antenna to a city council meeting and showed them what little space I'd be using. I also compared revenue streams between cell phone companies and wisps. Then I told them that I wanted to service the community but couldn't do it alone. I needed their help. I'd get to people that the telco didn't with dsl and I'd offer the ONLY competitive pressure to the incumbent offering (still to this day there are only two of us). In the end, it costs them almost nothing. Our contract is for non interference not exclusive use. Our contract also says that when we fire up if we cause problems for ANYONE in the AREA we'll shut it down and redo things. They buy the hardware and we provide service to any city facilities that need it. Also talked them down from a $5,000,000 insurance requirement to $1,000,000 (worked out how to do that with my insurance agent). In the end, they are out nothing because I couldn't have gone up there at $1500 per month. And the community gained service where it wouldn't have gone otherwise and the city is saving hundreds on communications costs. That more helpful? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Thanks Cliff (and everyone else). The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower. Needless to say that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty much non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of rolling hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000). So, I'm working trying to find comparable figures for what others are paying and have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying anywhere near the $1000 per month for a water tower. Other towers, yes, maybe, but not water towers - at least not that I have found. - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Jason, Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the water towers in my area for years. Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's and modem they were currently using. I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure! - Cliff - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation. Have another area I'm trying to go into. Looking for what you're paying, if anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings / connections, etc), etc etc. Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything will help. Thanks a lot in advance!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation
That does help Marlon, and that's basically the approach I've been taking with them. There are, of course, other complications, but I won't go into here. I again appreciate everyone's response. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation They were told $1500 here. That's CELL phone company use though. Not wisp. I took an antenna to a city council meeting and showed them what little space I'd be using. I also compared revenue streams between cell phone companies and wisps. Then I told them that I wanted to service the community but couldn't do it alone. I needed their help. I'd get to people that the telco didn't with dsl and I'd offer the ONLY competitive pressure to the incumbent offering (still to this day there are only two of us). In the end, it costs them almost nothing. Our contract is for non interference not exclusive use. Our contract also says that when we fire up if we cause problems for ANYONE in the AREA we'll shut it down and redo things. They buy the hardware and we provide service to any city facilities that need it. Also talked them down from a $5,000,000 insurance requirement to $1,000,000 (worked out how to do that with my insurance agent). In the end, they are out nothing because I couldn't have gone up there at $1500 per month. And the community gained service where it wouldn't have gone otherwise and the city is saving hundreds on communications costs. That more helpful? Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Thanks Cliff (and everyone else). The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower. Needless to say that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty much non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of rolling hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000). So, I'm working trying to find comparable figures for what others are paying and have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying anywhere near the $1000 per month for a water tower. Other towers, yes, maybe, but not water towers - at least not that I have found. - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Jason, Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the water towers in my area for years. Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's and modem they were currently using. I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure! - Cliff - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation. Have another area I'm trying to go into. Looking for what you're paying, if anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings / connections, etc), etc etc. Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything will help. Thanks a lot in advance!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
[WISPA] Water Tower Colocation
I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation. Have another area I'm trying to go into. Looking for what you're paying, if anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings / connections, etc), etc etc. Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything will help. Thanks a lot in advance!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation
Trade here as well. Hooked up Public Works and several sewer pump stations for web cams...saves them about 1 FTE in monitoring the sewer pumps. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation I trade space and electricity for service. No limit on speed or connections for the city. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation. Have another area I'm trying to go into. Looking for what you're paying, if anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings / connections, etc), etc etc. Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything will help. Thanks a lot in advance!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation
Jason, Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the water towers in my area for years. Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's and modem they were currently using. I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure! - Cliff - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation. Have another area I'm trying to go into. Looking for what you're paying, if anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings / connections, etc), etc etc. Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything will help. Thanks a lot in advance!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation
Thanks Cliff (and everyone else). The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower. Needless to say that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty much non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of rolling hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000). So, I'm working trying to find comparable figures for what others are paying and have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying anywhere near the $1000 per month for a water tower. Other towers, yes, maybe, but not water towers - at least not that I have found. - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Jason, Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the water towers in my area for years. Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's and modem they were currently using. I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure! - Cliff - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation. Have another area I'm trying to go into. Looking for what you're paying, if anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings / connections, etc), etc etc. Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything will help. Thanks a lot in advance!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation
Jason, The $1,000 per month was probably set by some cellular company years ago. The cell provider probably has its own tower now, but the $1,000 number remains in the water tower owners head and is probably 'pie-in-the-sky,' especially now. I have also located on billboards here... Where there's a will...there's a way! - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Thanks Cliff (and everyone else). The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower. Needless to say that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty much non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of rolling hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000). So, I'm working trying to find comparable figures for what others are paying and have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying anywhere near the $1000 per month for a water tower. Other towers, yes, maybe, but not water towers - at least not that I have found. - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Jason, Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the water towers in my area for years. Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's and modem they were currently using. I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure! - Cliff - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation. Have another area I'm trying to go into. Looking for what you're paying, if anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings / connections, etc), etc etc. Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything will help. Thanks a lot in advance!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation
We have 2 water tower locations. At one, we provide free service and hosting for the city. At the other, we provide free service to the city and 4% of our net profit generated by users connected directly to their water tower. At a similar location, (an old city owned NORAD radar dome), we provide internet service for the city and hosting. In all cases, the city's involved consider us to be an asset and a source of indirect revenue. Houses here are much harder to sell if broadband is not available. Make friends with realtors Jason Hensley wrote: Thanks Cliff (and everyone else). The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower. Needless to say that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty much non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of rolling hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000). So, I'm working trying to find comparable figures for what others are paying and have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying anywhere near the $1000 per month for a water tower. Other towers, yes, maybe, but not water towers - at least not that I have found. - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Jason, Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the water towers in my area for years. Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's and modem they were currently using. I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure! - Cliff - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation. Have another area I'm trying to go into. Looking for what you're paying, if anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings / connections, etc), etc etc. Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything will help. Thanks a lot in advance!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation
Jason, I also ran into that, when I started building out my network. The local water company involved an outside company to find out a fair value for the tanks might be. They came back with a high number (in my opinion), but stated that cell phone companies get charged more... I waited about a year, and he randomly called me the other day. I mentioned that if he would have lowered his prices or been a bit flexible, I would have signed earlier and he would have had 12 months of service and me on his tanks. When he called, I suggested coming over and hooking him up. He agreed and was MUCH more agreeable and I set the price 1/2 of what he had originally heard from this outside company. If you are wanting numbers, send it to the WISP forums, not the public ones. QuoteYou can only charge what people are willing to pay./Quote Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Thanks Cliff (and everyone else). The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower. Needless to say that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty much non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of rolling hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000). So, I'm working trying to find comparable figures for what others are paying and have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying anywhere near the $1000 per month for a water tower. Other towers, yes, maybe, but not water towers - at least not that I have found. - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Jason, Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the water towers in my area for years. Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's and modem they were currently using. I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure! - Cliff - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation. Have another area I'm trying to go into. Looking for what you're paying, if anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings / connections, etc), etc etc. Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything will help. Thanks a lot in advance!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation
We live in a town of 6,000 people and there are only 20,000 in the county. The city water company makes $3000+ per month from one of their water tanks. They charge $1000 - $1500 per month per tenant. The tank is only 100' tall so I don't know why the cell companies just don't erect their own tower in the area, there is a lot of land here for sale at prices in the $3k - $10k per acre range. Most water companies however will swap out free broadband and free installation for free use of their water tanks. Others are happy to receive $50 - $100 per month per water tank. I think what it really comes down to is who you are and who you know when dealing with water companies. Sincerely, Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky http://www.KyWiFi.com http://www.KyWiFiVoice.com Phone: 859.274.4033 A Broadband Phone Internet Provider == Wireless Broadband, Local Calling and UNLIMITED Long Distance only $69! No Taxes, No Regulatory Fees, No Hassles FREE Site Survey: http://www.KyWiFi.com == - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 5:10 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Jason, The $1,000 per month was probably set by some cellular company years ago. The cell provider probably has its own tower now, but the $1,000 number remains in the water tower owners head and is probably 'pie-in-the-sky,' especially now. I have also located on billboards here... Where there's a will...there's a way! - Cliff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Thanks Cliff (and everyone else). The local folks here have been told by someone they should not take less than $1000 per month for someone to locate on their tower. Needless to say that puts a pretty big hit in the pocket book, and makes ROI pretty much non-existent for small-town WISP's like myself (I'm in a town of rolling hills and lots of big thick oak trees, population around 12,000). So, I'm working trying to find comparable figures for what others are paying and have worked out, etc, just to show that most are not paying anywhere near the $1000 per month for a water tower. Other towers, yes, maybe, but not water towers - at least not that I have found. - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation Jason, Each deal is different. I had tried unsuccessfully to get access to the water towers in my area for years. Than, one day, the realized that I could offer them something...two way IP communication to their equipment, and they could eliminate the 1FB's and modem they were currently using. I not charge them $30 per month for their 42 locations, and have rights to all of their towers for AP's...Go figure! - Cliff - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] Water Tower Colocation I'm looking for comparisons again on water tower colocation. Have another area I'm trying to go into. Looking for what you're paying, if anything, what you're trading out (speed, number of buildings / connections, etc), etc etc. Specifically looking for folks in towns of under 20,000, but anything will help. Thanks a lot in advance!!! -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
