Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense
The mythical starving Congresscritter has never been located. If one had ever been found, I'd be prepared to agree with you. But, since most of them are far wealthier than you and I have any chance to be, then I'd say this is invalid. The fact of the matter, is that issue at hand is who holds the power. Congress and the federal government have vastly too much power. The idea that they can demand you and I to obtain a permit or implement some network notion is absurdly insane.It is sheer lunacy beyond all measure of sense, intelligence, or reason. The Constitution never gave them those powers. But, with those powers being exercised, EVERYONE HAS AN INTEREST IN CORRUPTING CONGRESS TO HELP THEM. If Congress can't make you buy insurance, can't make you build a house with 8 million added on expenses that fund special interests ( low flow toilets, cars with air bags, all sorts of other sheer lunacy), then they have no reason to try to corrupt Congress either. The matter is, that Congress has vastly too much money, too much power, and thus, IS INHERENTLY CORRUPT.The only cure is to restore the Constitution and limit Congress to those few, specific items it shoulid be doing, with all the oversight and checks and balances that were built in. Do that, and our debt problems vanish overnight, our economic problems vanish with it, and our social problems start mending - FAST.EVERY crisis facing America is directly caused by exceeding the boundaries that are plainly written into our Constitution. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ From: Tom DeReggi Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 9:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense To explain my mentality on that... I believe most congressman are people with good intentions who want to do good for their state, and effect posititve change. Intentions are always good. If they weren't they never would have got into politics in the first place. Many have high ethical morals, to fight for the cause, and never consider selling out their beliefs. Most people when they have a decent amount of money that affords them a fine basic life without to much compromise, its usually enough, for them to stay strong to their morals. The issue comes when a congressman has to choose between his family and his constituents. Family will always be more important WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense
a hard time. But the truth is, its a demanding high paced job. Heck, they'd have to pay me atleast $170k just for the requirement to wear that noose (tie) around my neck, and straight jacket (suit) throughout the hot summer months. Just my opinion. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense Because that's what people with money want, less money? I don't agree with that at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I personally think congress man should be paid more, so they are less likely to take bribes behind the scene, (or similar principle as bribes that might still be legal) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf To: FISPA Members List ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense Should members of Congress cut their salaries or raise the age at which they can draw a congressional pension when many Americans are making personal sacrifices during the country's prolonged economic crisis? A congressman makes $174,000 a year. However, that may not be enough for one freshman who said he's finding it hard to get by on his salary. Call/email your representative and make it know that this idea is worthy of passing. http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/16/congress.salary/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense
This thread is way off topic; can we try not to turn WISPA into a political flamefest? At 9/19/2011 01:22 AM, JoshL wrote: I think you have way too much faith in these people and others. I simply can't agree that anyone voting things into action these days can honestly believe it is for the better of our economy, sociology or country. Why they are doing this I have no idea. It is what it is, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_Stateshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Tom DeReggi mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: To explain my mentality on that... I believe most congressman are people with good intentions who want to do good for their state, and effect posititve change. Intentions are always good. If they weren't they never would have got into politics in the first place. Many have high ethical morals, to fight for the cause, and never consider selling out their beliefs. Most people when they have a decent amount of money that affords them a fine basic life without to much compromise, its usually enough, for them to stay strong to their morals. The issue comes when a congressman has to choose between his family and his constituents. Family will always be more important to a congressman that is also a mother or father. They want to provide for their family to the best of their abilty. They want to get their kids in a good college. Etc etc. What I've observed is that most corruption doesn't happen for millions or billions of dollars of profit for the guy that looked the other way. Its usually a few thousand here or there of indirect benefits, that starts to add up. Saving a $1000 here or there helps. Sometimes, the corrupted person doesn't even realise they are being corrupt, it just sneaks up on them. Maybe it was just pulling a strong to get a kid accpeted to a school. Or maybe a trip that gets doubled as a vacation. But I beleive that if a salary will cover every basic expense their familiy will want to have a good life, and the politician never has to consider, if I do this, how will it effect my familly, than it makes it a much easy decission for hte politician. Then it just becomes greed against morals. And most politicians, care more about public opinion and their status in a community, which is more valuable than a buck here or there. When people get corrupt, its also often because they feel discruntled or that something is owed to them for their hard work, and never received what they deserved through the standard legal methods, for their hard work. If making the laws for billions of people is not important enough to get a high salary what in the world possibly would be? I know self employed truck drivers without a high scool diploma that have made $150k per year. Shouldn't an untouchable uncorruptable highly educated and publically supported politician be able to do better? Why should a football player make millions and a politician that got elected by million only get middle class? IF good educated men can make better money going into business or being another lawyer, why would they waste their time in congress? How do we get the best people into congress? Quite honestly, I beleive a congressman has earned their right to a better life, and their employer, (the government and taxpayer) should pay for it. So much rides on the decission of a congressman. Billions of dollars are influenced daily. Whats a few extra thousand going to the decission maker, that upheld his morals to represent his constituents? The problem with politicians is not their paycheck. The problem is their lack of understanding of the issues to make informed decissions. Or that they are on the take by big money lobbiest, and make the wrong decissions for the wrong reasons. How does one combat that? Not by attacking the congressman's paycheck. The answer is good solid clever lobbying that gains the congressman's symnpthee, and preys on his ability to execute sound judgement for the right reasons, the reasons he got into politics in the first place. What I'm not against is putting a limit on how much money political parties can receive from a lobbiest or constituent. I'm all for reducing the paycheck to a party, and reducing the power of the big money lobbiest. But not against legitimate salary pay to a congressman specifically. The American dream is that those that try harder go farther. Politicians have just as much of a right to be a beneficiary of the American Dream. And its should be shown to the public, so young kids will say to themselves, one day maybe I'll be a congressman, and make a difference, and provide for my family well, instead of what ever profession could make them
Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense
I didn't think much flame would be generated with the post I initiated. I just thought the idea is refreshing. Regardless if you are conservative or liberal, or anywhere in between, I DO think that congress should have to live by the laws and overall general spirit in which they enact on their constituents. We know this is not the case. From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.commailto:fgoldst...@ionary.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 08:39:02 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense This thread is way off topic; can we try not to turn WISPA into a political flamefest? At 9/19/2011 01:22 AM, JoshL wrote: I think you have way too much faith in these people and others. I simply can't agree that anyone voting things into action these days can honestly believe it is for the better of our economy, sociology or country. Why they are doing this I have no idea. It is what it is, though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netmailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: To explain my mentality on that... I believe most congressman are people with good intentions who want to do good for their state, and effect posititve change. Intentions are always good. If they weren't they never would have got into politics in the first place. Many have high ethical morals, to fight for the cause, and never consider selling out their beliefs. Most people when they have a decent amount of money that affords them a fine basic life without to much compromise, its usually enough, for them to stay strong to their morals. The issue comes when a congressman has to choose between his family and his constituents. Family will always be more important to a congressman that is also a mother or father. They want to provide for their family to the best of their abilty. They want to get their kids in a good college. Etc etc. What I've observed is that most corruption doesn't happen for millions or billions of dollars of profit for the guy that looked the other way. Its usually a few thousand here or there of indirect benefits, that starts to add up. Saving a $1000 here or there helps. Sometimes, the corrupted person doesn't even realise they are being corrupt, it just sneaks up on them. Maybe it was just pulling a strong to get a kid accpeted to a school. Or maybe a trip that gets doubled as a vacation. But I beleive that if a salary will cover every basic expense their familiy will want to have a good life, and the politician never has to consider, if I do this, how will it effect my familly, than it makes it a much easy decission for hte politician. Then it just becomes greed against morals. And most politicians, care more about public opinion and their status in a community, which is more valuable than a buck here or there. When people get corrupt, its also often because they feel discruntled or that something is owed to them for their hard work, and never received what they deserved through the standard legal methods, for their hard work. If making the laws for billions of people is not important enough to get a high salary what in the world possibly would be? I know self employed truck drivers without a high scool diploma that have made $150k per year. Shouldn't an untouchable uncorruptable highly educated and publically supported politician be able to do better? Why should a football player make millions and a politician that got elected by million only get middle class? IF good educated men can make better money going into business or being another lawyer, why would they waste their time in congress? How do we get the best people into congress? Quite honestly, I beleive a congressman has earned their right to a better life, and their employer, (the government and taxpayer) should pay for it. So much rides on the decission of a congressman. Billions of dollars are influenced daily. Whats a few extra thousand going to the decission maker, that upheld his morals to represent his constituents? The problem with politicians is not their paycheck. The problem is their lack of understanding of the issues to make informed decissions. Or that they are on the take by big money lobbiest, and make the wrong decissions for the wrong reasons. How does one combat that? Not by attacking the congressman's paycheck. The answer is good solid clever lobbying that gains the congressman's symnpthee, and preys on his ability to execute sound judgement for the right reasons, the reasons he got into politics in the first place. What I'm not against is putting a limit on how much money political parties can receive from a lobbiest
Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense
I personally think congress man should be paid more, so they are less likely to take bribes behind the scene, (or similar principle as bribes that might still be legal) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Cliff Leboeuf To: FISPA Members List ; WISPA General List Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense Should members of Congress cut their salaries or raise the age at which they can draw a congressional pension when many Americans are making personal sacrifices during the country's prolonged economic crisis? A congressman makes $174,000 a year. However, that may not be enough for one freshman who said he's finding it hard to get by on his salary. Call/email your representative and make it know that this idea is worthy of passing. http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/16/congress.salary/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense
Because that's what people with money want, less money? I don't agree with that at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: ** I personally think congress man should be paid more, so they are less likely to take bribes behind the scene, (or similar principle as bribes that might still be legal) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Cliff Leboeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.com *To:* FISPA Members List memb...@fispa.org ; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:28 AM *Subject:* [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense Should members of Congress cut their salaries or raise the age at which they can draw a congressional pension when many Americans are making personal sacrifices during the country's prolonged economic crisis? A congressman makes $174,000 a year. However, that may not be enough for one freshman who said he's finding it hard to get by on his salary. Call/email your representative and make it know that this idea is worthy of passing. http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/16/congress.salary/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense
To explain my mentality on that... I believe most congressman are people with good intentions who want to do good for their state, and effect posititve change. Intentions are always good. If they weren't they never would have got into politics in the first place. Many have high ethical morals, to fight for the cause, and never consider selling out their beliefs. Most people when they have a decent amount of money that affords them a fine basic life without to much compromise, its usually enough, for them to stay strong to their morals. The issue comes when a congressman has to choose between his family and his constituents. Family will always be more important to a congressman that is also a mother or father. They want to provide for their family to the best of their abilty. They want to get their kids in a good college. Etc etc. What I've observed is that most corruption doesn't happen for millions or billions of dollars of profit for the guy that looked the other way. Its usually a few thousand here or there of indirect benefits, that starts to add up. Saving a $1000 here or there helps. Sometimes, the corrupted person doesn't even realise they are being corrupt, it just sneaks up on them. Maybe it was just pulling a strong to get a kid accpeted to a school. Or maybe a trip that gets doubled as a vacation. But I beleive that if a salary will cover every basic expense their familiy will want to have a good life, and the politician never has to consider, if I do this, how will it effect my familly, than it makes it a much easy decission for hte politician. Then it just becomes greed against morals. And most politicians, care more about public opinion and their status in a community, which is more valuable than a buck here or there. When people get corrupt, its also often because they feel discruntled or that something is owed to them for their hard work, and never received what they deserved through the standard legal methods, for their hard work. If making the laws for billions of people is not important enough to get a high salary what in the world possibly would be? I know self employed truck drivers without a high scool diploma that have made $150k per year. Shouldn't an untouchable uncorruptable highly educated and publically supported politician be able to do better? Why should a football player make millions and a politician that got elected by million only get middle class? IF good educated men can make better money going into business or being another lawyer, why would they waste their time in congress? How do we get the best people into congress? Quite honestly, I beleive a congressman has earned their right to a better life, and their employer, (the government and taxpayer) should pay for it. So much rides on the decission of a congressman. Billions of dollars are influenced daily. Whats a few extra thousand going to the decission maker, that upheld his morals to represent his constituents? The problem with politicians is not their paycheck. The problem is their lack of understanding of the issues to make informed decissions. Or that they are on the take by big money lobbiest, and make the wrong decissions for the wrong reasons. How does one combat that? Not by attacking the congressman's paycheck. The answer is good solid clever lobbying that gains the congressman's symnpthee, and preys on his ability to execute sound judgement for the right reasons, the reasons he got into politics in the first place. What I'm not against is putting a limit on how much money political parties can receive from a lobbiest or constituent. I'm all for reducing the paycheck to a party, and reducing the power of the big money lobbiest. But not against legitimate salary pay to a congressman specifically. The American dream is that those that try harder go farther. Politicians have just as much of a right to be a beneficiary of the American Dream. And its should be shown to the public, so young kids will say to themselves, one day maybe I'll be a congressman, and make a difference, and provide for my family well, instead of what ever profession could make them the highest dollar. And I tell you, the average Harvard or Ivy League law school graduate's target career salary isn't typically under $170 per year. We give politicians a hard time. But the truth is, its a demanding high paced job. Heck, they'd have to pay me atleast $170k just for the requirement to wear that noose (tie) around my neck, and straight jacket (suit) throughout the hot summer months. Just my opinion. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense Because that's what people with money want, less money? I don't agree with that at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937
Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense
, they'd have to pay me atleast $170k just for the requirement to wear that noose (tie) around my neck, and straight jacket (suit) throughout the hot summer months. Just my opinion. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense Because that's what people with money want, less money? I don't agree with that at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: ** I personally think congress man should be paid more, so they are less likely to take bribes behind the scene, (or similar principle as bribes that might still be legal) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - *From:* Cliff Leboeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.com *To:* FISPA Members List memb...@fispa.org ; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:28 AM *Subject:* [WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense Should members of Congress cut their salaries or raise the age at which they can draw a congressional pension when many Americans are making personal sacrifices during the country's prolonged economic crisis? A congressman makes $174,000 a year. However, that may not be enough for one freshman who said he's finding it hard to get by on his salary. Call/email your representative and make it know that this idea is worthy of passing. http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/16/congress.salary/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Weekend Politics that Make Sense
Should members of Congress cut their salaries or raise the age at which they can draw a congressional pension when many Americans are making personal sacrifices during the country's prolonged economic crisis? A congressman makes $174,000 a year. However, that may not be enough for one freshman who said he's finding it hard to get by on his salary. Call/email your representative and make it know that this idea is worthy of passing. http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/09/16/congress.salary/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
