Re: [WISPA] decoy tower
I would think a palm tree would look more out of place in SD than a tower :) On 12/30/2013 05:18 PM, heith petersen wrote: Curious is anyone has deployed a decoy tower, palm tree looking, with decent success and who is a good distributor/manufacturer. I have never seen one in person and we have a situation where we don't really need one but would likely look a lot better than a traditional tower thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] decoy tower
Yes, it would. I am thinking a little farther south my friend LOL From: Sam Tetherow Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] decoy tower I would think a palm tree would look more out of place in SD than a tower :) On 12/30/2013 05:18 PM, heith petersen wrote: Curious is anyone has deployed a decoy tower, palm tree looking, with decent success and who is a good distributor/manufacturer. I have never seen one in person and we have a situation where we don’t really need one but would likely look a lot better than a traditional tower thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] decoy tower
The cell companies in California use them and they stick out like a sore thumb. Palm trees do not have straight vertical trunks. Around here, Northern New Mexico, they use what is supposed to look like a tall pine tree. That doesn't work either as all our trees are short Junipers and Pinons. The tower looks more like an ICBM then a tree anyway. Phil On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:51 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Yes, it would. I am thinking a little farther south my friend LOL *From:* Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net *Sent:* Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:03 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] decoy tower I would think a palm tree would look more out of place in SD than a tower :) On 12/30/2013 05:18 PM, heith petersen wrote: Curious is anyone has deployed a decoy tower, palm tree looking, with decent success and who is a good distributor/manufacturer. I have never seen one in person and we have a situation where we don’t really need one but would likely look a lot better than a traditional tower thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] decoy tower
Is there a nearby church that would let you install in the steeple? I have seen this in many areas of the country. In at least one case, the entire exterior of the steeple was replaced with panels that looked (from the ground) exactly like the original shingles Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 ICQ: 206889374 GVoice: 207.518.8455 GTalk: aaron.osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.streamline-solutions.net/ Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Phil Curnutt Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] decoy tower The cell companies in California use them and they stick out like a sore thumb. Palm trees do not have straight vertical trunks. Around here, Northern New Mexico, they use what is supposed to look like a tall pine tree. That doesn't work either as all our trees are short Junipers and Pinons. The tower looks more like an ICBM then a tree anyway. Phil On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:51 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Yes, it would. I am thinking a little farther south my friend LOL From: Sam Tetherow mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:03 PM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] decoy tower I would think a palm tree would look more out of place in SD than a tower :) On 12/30/2013 05:18 PM, heith petersen wrote: Curious is anyone has deployed a decoy tower, palm tree looking, with decent success and who is a good distributor/manufacturer. I have never seen one in person and we have a situation where we don't really need one but would likely look a lot better than a traditional tower thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] decoy tower
Have seen a few jobs these guys have done: http://www.siteconcealment.com/ Let me know if anyone is interested in contacts. Regards, Bryan Bryan Brooks VP, Carrier and Wholesale Services Pavlov Media 217-530-1946 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Aaron D. Osgood Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 2:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] decoy tower Is there a nearby church that would let you install in the steeple? I have seen this in many areas of the country. In at least one case, the entire exterior of the steeple was replaced with panels that looked (from the ground) exactly like the original shingles Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 ICQ: 206889374 GVoice: 207.518.8455 GTalk: aaron.osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.netmailto:aosg...@streamline-solutions.net http://www.streamline-solutions.nethttp://www.streamline-solutions.net/ Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Phil Curnutt Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] decoy tower The cell companies in California use them and they stick out like a sore thumb. Palm trees do not have straight vertical trunks. Around here, Northern New Mexico, they use what is supposed to look like a tall pine tree. That doesn't work either as all our trees are short Junipers and Pinons. The tower looks more like an ICBM then a tree anyway. Phil On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:51 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.commailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Yes, it would. I am thinking a little farther south my friend LOL From: Sam Tetherowmailto:tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:03 PM To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] decoy tower I would think a palm tree would look more out of place in SD than a tower :) On 12/30/2013 05:18 PM, heith petersen wrote: Curious is anyone has deployed a decoy tower, palm tree looking, with decent success and who is a good distributor/manufacturer. I have never seen one in person and we have a situation where we don't really need one but would likely look a lot better than a traditional tower thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] decoy tower
Same with the ones here in GA. They look too tall and have really scraggly branches. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Phil Curnutt Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] decoy tower The cell companies in California use them and they stick out like a sore thumb. Palm trees do not have straight vertical trunks. Around here, Northern New Mexico, they use what is supposed to look like a tall pine tree. That doesn't work either as all our trees are short Junipers and Pinons. The tower looks more like an ICBM then a tree anyway. Phil On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:51 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com mailto:wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Yes, it would. I am thinking a little farther south my friend LOL From: Sam Tetherow mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:03 PM To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] decoy tower I would think a palm tree would look more out of place in SD than a tower :) On 12/30/2013 05:18 PM, heith petersen wrote: Curious is anyone has deployed a decoy tower, palm tree looking, with decent success and who is a good distributor/manufacturer. I have never seen one in person and we have a situation where we don't really need one but would likely look a lot better than a traditional tower thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless _ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] decoy tower
Curious is anyone has deployed a decoy tower, palm tree looking, with decent success and who is a good distributor/manufacturer. I have never seen one in person and we have a situation where we don’t really need one but would likely look a lot better than a traditional tower thanks heith___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] decoy tower
Heith, These are NOT cheap. A few things to consider... 1. Because of the branches coming off of the main mast you have increased wind loading which means beefier pole and larger/deeper foundation. 2. At wifi freqs (2.4 and 5 Ghz) there is no real concern. At licensed freqs especially 23/24 Ghz you will need branches and leaves that are RF adapted for the spectrum. Standard branches will attenuate the heck out of your signal at higher freqs. 3. They are a PITA to work on. You need a manlift or large bucket truck to get access to antennas, etc. Its almost impossible to use a crane with a suspended manbasket. Some are climbable but they still suck to work on. You should count on spending 20-30% more than you would on a standard monopole. Go back to the tower design if you can unless of course you have deep pockets -B- On 12/30/2013 6:18 PM, heith petersen wrote: Curious is anyone has deployed a decoy tower, palm tree looking, with decent success and who is a good distributor/manufacturer. I have never seen one in person and we have a situation where we don't really need one but would likely look a lot better than a traditional tower thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] decoy tower
I appreciate the info. The guy is is insistent on this structure, I am not. But he does have some money. From what I see they look cheesy, at least online. But what do you do thanks heith From: Bob Moldashel Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 6:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] decoy tower Heith, These are NOT cheap. A few things to consider... 1. Because of the branches coming off of the main mast you have increased wind loading which means beefier pole and larger/deeper foundation. 2. At wifi freqs (2.4 and 5 Ghz) there is no real concern. At licensed freqs especially 23/24 Ghz you will need branches and leaves that are RF adapted for the spectrum. Standard branches will attenuate the heck out of your signal at higher freqs. 3. They are a PITA to work on. You need a manlift or large bucket truck to get access to antennas, etc. Its almost impossible to use a crane with a suspended manbasket. Some are climbable but they still suck to work on. You should count on spending 20-30% more than you would on a standard monopole. Go back to the tower design if you can unless of course you have deep pockets -B- On 12/30/2013 6:18 PM, heith petersen wrote: Curious is anyone has deployed a decoy tower, palm tree looking, with decent success and who is a good distributor/manufacturer. I have never seen one in person and we have a situation where we don’t really need one but would likely look a lot better than a traditional tower thanks heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
