Re: [WISPA] using diversity outdoors

2006-12-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki

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From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] using diversity outdoors


> First, if you think it's multipath try moving the antenna.  I've had some
as
> low as 2' above the ground to get the best signal and speeds possible.
I've
> had a couple, maybe even a few, where moving 2 to 3 feet up or down (often
> down) seems to do the trick.

We tried moving the antenna.   It didn't have much effect.   We tried up and
down and even a little side to side...  didn't mean much.

I HAVE had moving the antenna just a foot upwards change an unworkable link
to a rock solid stable one.   Seemed it was a roof reflection, with the
antenna at the peak of the roof.

>
> As for running diversity, it'll be a trial and error thing.  Two things
seem
> to happen with multipath.  You could be getting a signal out of phase or
> polarity shifted.  Or both.

Well, that much I assumed.

>
> If you try it you'll want the antennas 3 to 10 feet vertically separated.
> You'll have to try and see if the same or cross polarity is the key for
your
> customer.

What about horizontally?   All our sites are hpol.

>
> I've found that multipath seems to be really really rare in the wild.
> Usually it's something else.

Well, viewed from the customer end, we're going over one house, between two,
and just over a well-travelled road.

While most customers are generally rock-steady with signal moving perhaps a
db or two now and then, this one's about 10 db weaker than it should be and
fluctuates constantly 2-4 db.

It was improved by moving the antenna upwards 18 inches, but it's still not
stable, and more vertical height is probably not in the cards.


>
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> From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:00 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] using diversity outdoors
>
>
> > What would be the advantage (if any) to using two antennas on the client
> > in,
> > connected to a CM9 and running in 'diversity' mode, where both antennas
> > point to the same AP?
> >
> > I have had one client that seems to have some ugly multipath issues, and
> > rather unstable signal levels  and poor stability concerning pings.
> >
> > Is there any rules to follow, if I try two antennas?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] using diversity outdoors

2006-12-08 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
First, if you think it's multipath try moving the antenna.  I've had some as 
low as 2' above the ground to get the best signal and speeds possible.  I've 
had a couple, maybe even a few, where moving 2 to 3 feet up or down (often 
down) seems to do the trick.


As for running diversity, it'll be a trial and error thing.  Two things seem 
to happen with multipath.  You could be getting a signal out of phase or 
polarity shifted.  Or both.


If you try it you'll want the antennas 3 to 10 feet vertically separated. 
You'll have to try and see if the same or cross polarity is the key for your 
customer.


I've found that multipath seems to be really really rare in the wild. 
Usually it's something else.


Marlon
(509) 982-2181   Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:00 PM
Subject: [WISPA] using diversity outdoors


What would be the advantage (if any) to using two antennas on the client 
in,

connected to a CM9 and running in 'diversity' mode, where both antennas
point to the same AP?

I have had one client that seems to have some ugly multipath issues, and
rather unstable signal levels  and poor stability concerning pings.

Is there any rules to follow, if I try two antennas?

Thanks



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[WISPA] using diversity outdoors

2006-12-08 Thread Mark Koskenmaki
What would be the advantage (if any) to using two antennas on the client in,
connected to a CM9 and running in 'diversity' mode, where both antennas
point to the same AP?

I have had one client that seems to have some ugly multipath issues, and
rather unstable signal levels  and poor stability concerning pings.

Is there any rules to follow, if I try two antennas?

Thanks



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