Re: [WISPA] wireless mesh recommendations for extreme weatherconditions?

2008-11-30 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Wind resistance should be fairly easy to deal with.  Just more radios, 
closer together, with smaller antennas :-).
marlon

- Original Message - 
From: scubacuda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] wireless mesh recommendations for extreme 
weatherconditions?


 Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I helped design a network that worked through a hurricane out on the 
 barrier islands near NC.  We did NOT use adhoc but rather put in ptp or 
 ptmp stations.  It was pretty amazing to see video feeds from inside the 
 hurricane.  Cool stuff.

 We used mainly Zcomax gear at the time.  Just off the shelf stuff.

 Let me know if I can be of help.  Maybe I can get lucky and find the guy 
 that actually built if for you.

 Very cool, I will pass on that info, as well as the info of those who 
 wrote me privately.

 The project (to my knowledge) isn't a go yet, it's just a pain point 
 that I know that they eventually have to address.

 Right now, he's generally looking for vendors that are willing to put in 
 writing some of their ruggedness claims or have had experience putting 
 up installations in tough environments.  For example, BelAir Networks says 
 (something like) the following in their claims:

 BelAir nodes and mounting systems are designed to operate and survive in 
 windy conditions of up to 165mph gust, 100mph sustained.

 While those claims may look okay, and their brackets look okay, I'm 
 wondering if the antennas could take the same abuse.  Is there hurricane 
 resistant antennas?

 Thanks for the feedback!  This info is great! 




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Re: [WISPA] wireless mesh recommendations for extreme weatherconditions?

2008-11-29 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I helped design a network that worked through a hurricane out on the barrier 
islands near NC.  We did NOT use adhoc but rather put in ptp or ptmp 
stations.  It was pretty amazing to see video feeds from inside the 
hurricane.  Cool stuff.

We used mainly Zcomax gear at the time.  Just off the shelf stuff.

Let me know if I can be of help.  Maybe I can get lucky and find the guy 
that actually built if for you.
marlon

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From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 9:13 PM
Subject: [WISPA] wireless mesh recommendations for extreme 
weatherconditions?


 Can anyone recommend a wireless mesh vendor (and associated brackets and
 antennas) that would undergo extreme weather conditions?

 A really good friend from university works in a hurricane research group
 and is looking wireless communication devices that they can put on top
 of these 30m ad hoc mobile research towers that they place in the middle
 of hurricanes for monitoring.

 He told me the distances that they want to get (1+ mi), and I told him
 that from a link budget perspective, this was a piece of cake on 2.4/5.8
 Wi-Fi bands, and as long as he could be assured that the radio and the
 radio accessories could stay on the mobile unit and have a good source
 of power, we'd most likely be okay (these mobile units apparently have
 great backup batteries).

 Right now, they're looking at cellular coverage, but the distances that
 they want to do aren't that far, and they like the idea of building a
 backbone in these emergency situations which might also be used to
 converge other services on, particularly when the cellular network is
 unstable in hurricane environments.

 Any help or pointers on this would be greatly appreciated!


 
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Re: [WISPA] wireless mesh recommendations for extreme weatherconditions?

2008-11-29 Thread scubacuda
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
 I helped design a network that worked through a hurricane out on the 
 barrier islands near NC.  We did NOT use adhoc but rather put in ptp or 
 ptmp stations.  It was pretty amazing to see video feeds from inside the 
 hurricane.  Cool stuff.
 
 We used mainly Zcomax gear at the time.  Just off the shelf stuff.
 
 Let me know if I can be of help.  Maybe I can get lucky and find the guy 
 that actually built if for you.

Very cool, I will pass on that info, as well as the info of those who 
wrote me privately.

The project (to my knowledge) isn't a go yet, it's just a pain point 
that I know that they eventually have to address.

Right now, he's generally looking for vendors that are willing to put in 
writing some of their ruggedness claims or have had experience putting 
up installations in tough environments.  For example, BelAir Networks 
says (something like) the following in their claims:

BelAir nodes and mounting systems are designed to operate and survive 
in windy conditions of up to 165mph gust, 100mph sustained.

While those claims may look okay, and their brackets look okay, I'm 
wondering if the antennas could take the same abuse.  Is there 
hurricane resistant antennas?

Thanks for the feedback!  This info is great!



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