Re: [WISPA] FBI wants records kept of Web sites visited | Politics andLaw - CNET News

2010-02-10 Thread Jack Unger




Not only don't they pay for it but they are also in favor of it because
it gives them JOBS... good, government JOBS. Thus government gets even
bigger with no real results to show for it and with a further reduction
in the rights granted citizens by the Bill of Rights.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights. 

jack


Tom DeReggi wrote:

  "a survey of state computer crime investigators found them to be nearly 
unanimous in supporting the idea. "

Really? What an idiot, of course they are. They dont pay for it.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Re: [WISPA] FBI wants records kept of Web sites visited | Politics andLaw - CNET News

2010-02-10 Thread Glenn Kelley
 From BlackHat Convention:

The backdoors that Cisco and other networking companies implement in  
their routers and switches for lawful intercept are front and center  
again at this week's Black Hat security conference. A few years ago,  
they were cause celebre in some VoIP wiretapping arguments and court  
rulings.

This time, an IBM researcher told Black Hat conference attendees that  
these openings can still expose information about us to hackers and  
allow them to watch our Internet activity. Backdoors are implemented  
in routers and switches so law enforcement officials can track the  
Internet communications and activity of an individual or individuals  
under surveillance. They are required by 
law[http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/012307-us-govt-wiretapping-laws-and.html
 
] to be incorporated in devices manufactured by networking companies  
and sold to ISPs.

In this report from 
Forbes[http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/03/hackers-networking-equipment-technology-security-cisco.html?feed=rss_technology_security
 
], IBM Internet Security Systems researcher Tom Cross demonstrated how  
easily the backdoor in Cisco IOS can be exploited by hackers. When  
they gain access to a Cisco router, they are not blocked after  
multiple failed access attempts nor is an alert sent to an  
administrator. Any data collected through the backdoor can be sent to  
anywhere -- not just merely to an authorized user, Forbes reports.

What's more, an ISP is not able to perform an audit trail on whoever  
tried to gain access to a router through the backdoor - that nuance  
was intended to keep ISP employees from detecting the intercept and  
inadvertently tipping off the individual under surveillance. But  
according to IBM's Cross, any authorized employee can use it for  
unauthorized surveillance of users and those privacy violations cannot  
be tracked by the ISP.

Cisco said it is aware of Cross's assertions and is taking them under  
consideration. To Cisco's credit, it is the only networking company  
that makes its lawful intercept architecture public, according to the  
recommendations of the IETF, the Forbes story states. Other companies  
do not, which means they may be susceptible to the same security  
flaws, or worse.


On Feb 10, 2010, at 3:40 PM, Jack Unger wrote:

 Not only don't they pay for it but they are also in favor of it  
 because it gives them JOBS... good, government JOBS. Thus government  
 gets even bigger with no real results to show for it and with a  
 further reduction in the rights granted citizens by the Bill of  
 Rights. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights.

 jack


 Tom DeReggi wrote:

 a survey of state computer crime investigators found them to be  
 nearly
 unanimous in supporting the idea. 

 Really? What an idiot, of course they are. They dont pay for it.

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Re: [WISPA] FBI wants records kept of Web sites visited | Politics andLaw - CNET News

2010-02-09 Thread Tom DeReggi
a survey of state computer crime investigators found them to be nearly 
unanimous in supporting the idea. 

Really? What an idiot, of course they are. They dont pay for it.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
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wireless@wispa.org
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