Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
On Fri, February 15, 2008 11:56 am, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) [ snip ] You may want the Netgear ProSafe FS105. http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/FS105.aspx The current crop are basically as small as physically possible (or at least are the smallest five-port switches I've seen), and the metal case just looks and feels sturdy, as compared to the cheap plastic ones. (Here, things get a little tricky, as Netgear uses the same model number on a couple different switches; I don't have any experience with the silver-plastic FS105 switches. They're probably the same, internally, but I've also never ripped one open to see.) Netgear FS105s and the big brother FS108s run about 3/4 of our towers, and have for several years. I can't recall a single instance of a problem with a switch that was found to be a defect in the switch itself. Lightning making a switch go foom, sure, but that's not the switch's fault. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
Same here. Netgear is all we use for remote locations Joe Fiero wrote: I concur, the 5 port Netgear is a workhorse. We use them exclusively at all our AP's, hops and customer locations. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches On Fri, February 15, 2008 11:56 am, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) [ snip ] You may want the Netgear ProSafe FS105. http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/FS105.aspx The current crop are basically as small as physically possible (or at least are the smallest five-port switches I've seen), and the metal case just looks and feels sturdy, as compared to the cheap plastic ones. (Here, things get a little tricky, as Netgear uses the same model number on a couple different switches; I don't have any experience with the silver-plastic FS105 switches. They're probably the same, internally, but I've also never ripped one open to see.) Netgear FS105s and the big brother FS108s run about 3/4 of our towers, and have for several years. I can't recall a single instance of a problem with a switch that was found to be a defect in the switch itself. Lightning making a switch go foom, sure, but that's not the switch's fault. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
I like the Trendnet units. I have had some in unheated outdoor cabinets for over a year and they just run. Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) to use at business customer locations to connect a Canopy CPE, a VoIP ATA, and the Netopia router we use for customer installs. I want something as simple as possible that is ROCK SOLID. No power cycling, no oops the switch locked up, no nonsense. It must be unmanaged and require no configuration (no MikroTik). And did I mention it must be reliable? Low power consumption is a plus so that the UPS powering the CPE, the switch, and the ATA lasts as long as possible. I'm currently looking at the Linksys SD205- does anyone have real-world experience with these? Thanks, -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
I concur, the 5 port Netgear is a workhorse. We use them exclusively at all our AP's, hops and customer locations. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches On Fri, February 15, 2008 11:56 am, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) [ snip ] You may want the Netgear ProSafe FS105. http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/FS105.aspx The current crop are basically as small as physically possible (or at least are the smallest five-port switches I've seen), and the metal case just looks and feels sturdy, as compared to the cheap plastic ones. (Here, things get a little tricky, as Netgear uses the same model number on a couple different switches; I don't have any experience with the silver-plastic FS105 switches. They're probably the same, internally, but I've also never ripped one open to see.) Netgear FS105s and the big brother FS108s run about 3/4 of our towers, and have for several years. I can't recall a single instance of a problem with a switch that was found to be a defect in the switch itself. Lightning making a switch go foom, sure, but that's not the switch's fault. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
Truthfully, I think that what you are asking for does not exist. Small switches are designed to be cheap, not reliable. Thats jsut the reality of the business. However, with that said, we have had excellent luck with the Intellinet brand. ICIntracom makes/sells them. Very few lockups or failed units. We also are using their SOHOrouters for our resi customers instead of Linksys most of the time now. They have both a plastic and metal ones. They are very inexpensive. Don't hold me to this, but I think they also pass VLAN size packets (1504MTU), even though they are dumb switches. Our plan has been, put in the $139 Digital Logger with autoping and extra Surge protection, plug into switch, that the radio and ATA and router also plugged into. If you can't afford to have the switch lockup, steps have to be taken in advance to make certain of that. Linksys does have a very low cost Managed VLAN Switch (reduced port model 8?), for under $120, which we were very seriously considering for customer premise. There is a big benefit to having a switch that has a pingable IP, for troubleshooting and Demarcation reasons. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:56 PM Subject: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) to use at business customer locations to connect a Canopy CPE, a VoIP ATA, and the Netopia router we use for customer installs. I want something as simple as possible that is ROCK SOLID. No power cycling, no oops the switch locked up, no nonsense. It must be unmanaged and require no configuration (no MikroTik). And did I mention it must be reliable? Low power consumption is a plus so that the UPS powering the CPE, the switch, and the ATA lasts as long as possible. I'm currently looking at the Linksys SD205- does anyone have real-world experience with these? Thanks, -- Patrick Shoemaker President, Vector Data Systems LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: (301) 358-1690 x36 mobile: (410) 991-5791 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
Garrettcom has a 4 port hardened switch designed for factory floors and I believe they have larger ones. They retail between $83 and $112 for the 12v version. Hit me offlist if you would like more information. David WirelessGuys Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Fiero Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches I concur, the 5 port Netgear is a workhorse. We use them exclusively at all our AP's, hops and customer locations. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches On Fri, February 15, 2008 11:56 am, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) [ snip ] You may want the Netgear ProSafe FS105. http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/FS105.aspx The current crop are basically as small as physically possible (or at least are the smallest five-port switches I've seen), and the metal case just looks and feels sturdy, as compared to the cheap plastic ones. (Here, things get a little tricky, as Netgear uses the same model number on a couple different switches; I don't have any experience with the silver-plastic FS105 switches. They're probably the same, internally, but I've also never ripped one open to see.) Netgear FS105s and the big brother FS108s run about 3/4 of our towers, and have for several years. I can't recall a single instance of a problem with a switch that was found to be a defect in the switch itself. Lightning making a switch go foom, sure, but that's not the switch's fault. :) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
I would just warn you away from the NetGear GS108. I only had one, but it locked up repeatedly. (sitting in a phone closet) Comments on NewEgg claimed that model had the bad capacitor problem (I just had 2 Dell motherboards replaced for that) - but I haven't opened up the switch to look at it. Otherwise I would say my sample size is too small to make any predictions. I am using some Dell PowerConnect 2708 gigabit switches (about $80 on their small biz site) that have been fine. One of those is in a metal box 130' up a grain leg and has survived the winter so far ( knock on wood -10 F min to date). They have a web interface so you could ping monitor them. Oh, HP ProCurve 4000M switches are neither small nor unmanaged. I've had uptimes of ~2 years on those. About $125 used on EBay. On February 15, at 3:14 PM February 15, Joe Fiero wrote: I concur, the 5 port Netgear is a workhorse. We use them exclusively at all our AP's, hops and customer locations. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches On Fri, February 15, 2008 11:56 am, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) [ snip ] You may want the Netgear ProSafe FS105. http://www.netgear.com/Products/Switches/DesktopSwitches/FS105.aspx The current crop are basically as small as physically possible (or at least are the smallest five-port switches I've seen), and the metal case just looks and feels sturdy, as compared to the cheap plastic ones. (Here, things get a little tricky, as Netgear uses the same model number on a couple different switches; I don't have any experience with the silver-plastic FS105 switches. They're probably the same, internally, but I've also never ripped one open to see.) Netgear FS105s and the big brother FS108s run about 3/4 of our towers, and have for several years. I can't recall a single instance of a problem with a switch that was found to be a defect in the switch itself. Lightning making a switch go foom, sure, but that's not the switch's fault. :) David Smith MVN.net -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small unmanaged switches
I have used these in a number of my pops without a single problem in uncooled (even no fans) enclosures. It gets up to 115+ here in the summer. http://www.ctrlink.com/eiba.htm Lots of power options (DC 10--36 V or AC 8--24 V, 47--63 Hz) Randy Cosby InfoWest Patrick Shoemaker wrote: I'm looking to purchase some small unmanaged switches (5 ports) to use at business customer locations to connect a Canopy CPE, a VoIP ATA, and the Netopia router we use for customer installs. I want something as simple as possible that is ROCK SOLID. No power cycling, no oops the switch locked up, no nonsense. It must be unmanaged and require no configuration (no MikroTik). And did I mention it must be reliable? Low power consumption is a plus so that the UPS powering the CPE, the switch, and the ATA lasts as long as possible. I'm currently looking at the Linksys SD205- does anyone have real-world experience with these? Thanks, -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
