Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Fred Goldstein

On 2/2/2017 3:43 PM, redes wrote:

We charge 8€/Mo/IP here in north of Spain...



El Robert Dillon <rdil...@itxbb.net>, 2 feb. 2017 4:42 p. m. escribió:

We also charge $5/IP/Mo for residential customers and one free IP
for business customers with $5/IP/Mo for additional IPs.  For
subnet routed customer IPs we do each on a case by case basis but
that is very rare for us.



This is a fantastic business! The one-time price of the address is 
$10-15 apiece, depending on block size, and then you get to rent it out 
at $5 or more per month. So if you only charge $5, that's still 
$60/year, and if you paid a whole $15, that's a mere 400% rate of return 
on the investment. It goes up from there.


Viva IPv4! ;-)

(Of course the whole shootin' match will come down once we get enough 
RINA out there. But it's designed to keep IPv4 applications going as 
long as needed, with no need ev-ah for IPv6.)




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*Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:29 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

When I was at TWC, we would give out up to a /24 to a customer if
they could justify it. Beyond that, we'd push them to go to ARIN.
This was on fiber, if they were on coax, it was super expensive
(like $50+ for a /29)

There was list pricing on the static IPs, but it was one of the
first things to be discounted in negotiation. That being said,
this was ~7 years ago. I would look at what it will cost you to
buy a /24 on the auction block, and charge enough to be able to
replace your IPs as you run out - that would be the simplest
justification. It's hard to compare to AT, as they probably have
a lot of unused space, and a lot more resources to be able to
obtain more.

On 2/2/2017 9:20 AM, Colton Conor wrote:

Agreed, but I need to be able to justify this pricing somehow.
What does AT charge if you get their Fiber MIS product? Is
it unlimited with justification or what? What are most fiber
providers doing even the ones that have extremely large blocks?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Tim Way <t...@way.vg
<mailto:t...@way.vg>> wrote:

Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.

On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.co...@gmail.com
<mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are
saying you would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost
of their statics would then cost more than the actual service?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope
<sp...@arbucklecomm.com <mailto:sp...@arbucklecomm.com>> wrote:

We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses. 
This has been our pricing for 10+ years.



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On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net
<t...@byhalia.net <mailto:t...@byhalia.net>> wrote:

$5/month/IP

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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From: Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com
<mailto:judd.d...@gmail.com>>

Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)

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<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.

I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for
commercial in order to only sell to people who really need it.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor
<colton.co...@gmail.com <mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>> wrote:

How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?

Comcast Business class cable internet charges

*1 - $14.95/mo.*

* 5 - $19.95/mo*

* 13 - $34.95/mo*.

What do fiber providers charge?

I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his
current provider, and would like at least a /27 or
preferably a /26 from us.

We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.


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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread redes
We charge 8€/Mo/IP here in north of Spain... 



El Robert Dillon <rdil...@itxbb.net>, 2 feb. 2017 4:42 p. m. escribió:







We also charge $5/IP/Mo for residential customers and one free
IP for business customers with $5/IP/Mo for additional IPs.  For subnet routed customer
IPs we do each on a case by case basis but that is very rare for us.

 





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[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:29 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing





 

When
I was at TWC, we would give out up to a /24 to a customer if they could justify
it. Beyond that, we'd push them to go to ARIN. This was on fiber, if they were
on coax, it was super expensive (like $50+ for a /29)

There was list pricing on the static IPs, but it was one of the first things to
be discounted in negotiation. That being said, this was ~7 years ago. I would
look at what it will cost you to buy a /24 on the auction block, and charge
enough to be able to replace your IPs as you run out - that would be the
simplest justification. It's hard to compare to AT, as they probably have
a lot of unused space, and a lot more resources to be able to obtain more.



On 2/2/2017 9:20 AM, Colton Conor wrote:







Agreed, but I need to be able to justify this pricing
somehow. What does AT charge if you get their Fiber MIS product? Is it
unlimited with justification or what? What are most fiber providers doing even
the ones that have extremely large blocks? 





 



On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Tim Way <t...@way.vg> wrote:



Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity
increases.









 



On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.co...@gmail.com>
wrote:



So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you
are saying you would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their
statics would then cost more than the actual service?





 



On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope <sp...@arbucklecomm.com>
wrote:



We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP
addresses.  This has been our pricing for 10+ years.   



 














































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Scott Pope



Network and Operations Officer





Arbuckle Communications, LLC





Office: 580-226-1234





Mobile: 580-277-1108





sp...@arbucklecomm.com





www.arbucklecomm.com





"We Are Built For
Business"





 









































 



On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net <t...@byhalia.net> wrote:





$5/month/IP





 





 





 







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From: Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com> 





Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00) 





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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing 





 







Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber
providers.

I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in
order to only sell to people who really need it.





 



On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com>
wrote:



How much do you charge
business customers for static IPs? 



 





Comcast Business class cable
internet charges





 1 -
$14.95/mo.





 5 - $19.95/mo





 13 - $34.95/mo.





 





What do fiber providers charge?





 





I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his
current provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from
us.





 





We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN. 






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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Jerimiah Cole
We view the cost as purely administrative, so $5/mo regardless of the 
quantity.


Jerimiah

On 02/01/2017 07:22 PM, Colton Conor wrote:

How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?

Comcast Business class cable internet charges
*1 - $14.95/mo.*
* 5 - $19.95/mo*
* 13 - $34.95/mo*.

What do fiber providers charge?

I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current 
provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.


We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.


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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Josh Luthman
Yup - http://www.ipv4auctions.com


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On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 2/2/17 7:33 AM, Colton Conor wrote:
> > Let me ask this a different way. If I ran out of IP space today, and had
> > to go buy a /24 for someone how much would that cost on the open market?
>
> Probably $4k for a /24.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Josh Luthman
$500/year for ARIN


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Colton Conor 
wrote:

> Seth,
>
> Looks like you are right based on this http://www.ipv4auctions.
> com/previous_auctions/
>
> So that comes out to $15 per IP, but that's a one-time cost to me right?
> The I assume I have to pay ARIN fees on the block I would buy once
> transferred to me. So on a monthly basis, how do you calculate the cost of
> the IP?
>
> So most of you would pay for the actual cost of the IP within the 1st
> month or two of monthly service to the customer?
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 2/2/17 7:33 AM, Colton Conor wrote:
>> > Let me ask this a different way. If I ran out of IP space today, and had
>> > to go buy a /24 for someone how much would that cost on the open market?
>>
>> Probably $4k for a /24.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Colton Conor
Seth,

Looks like you are right based on this
http://www.ipv4auctions.com/previous_auctions/

So that comes out to $15 per IP, but that's a one-time cost to me right?
The I assume I have to pay ARIN fees on the block I would buy once
transferred to me. So on a monthly basis, how do you calculate the cost of
the IP?

So most of you would pay for the actual cost of the IP within the 1st month
or two of monthly service to the customer?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 2/2/17 7:33 AM, Colton Conor wrote:
> > Let me ask this a different way. If I ran out of IP space today, and had
> > to go buy a /24 for someone how much would that cost on the open market?
>
> Probably $4k for a /24.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Robert Dillon
We also charge $5/IP/Mo for residential customers and one free IP for
business customers with $5/IP/Mo for additional IPs.  For subnet routed
customer IPs we do each on a case by case basis but that is very rare for
us.

 

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Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 10:29 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

 

When I was at TWC, we would give out up to a /24 to a customer if they could
justify it. Beyond that, we'd push them to go to ARIN. This was on fiber, if
they were on coax, it was super expensive (like $50+ for a /29)

There was list pricing on the static IPs, but it was one of the first things
to be discounted in negotiation. That being said, this was ~7 years ago. I
would look at what it will cost you to buy a /24 on the auction block, and
charge enough to be able to replace your IPs as you run out - that would be
the simplest justification. It's hard to compare to AT, as they probably
have a lot of unused space, and a lot more resources to be able to obtain
more.

On 2/2/2017 9:20 AM, Colton Conor wrote:

Agreed, but I need to be able to justify this pricing somehow. What does
AT charge if you get their Fiber MIS product? Is it unlimited with
justification or what? What are most fiber providers doing even the ones
that have extremely large blocks? 

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Tim Way <t...@way.vg> wrote:

Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.

 

On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.co...@gmail.com> wrote:

So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you
would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would
then cost more than the actual service?

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope <sp...@arbucklecomm.com> wrote:

We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has been
our pricing for 10+ years.   

 




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Office: 580-226-1234 <tel:%28580%29%20226-1234> 

Mobile: 580-277-1108 <tel:%28580%29%20277-1108> 

sp...@arbucklecomm.com

www.arbucklecomm.com

"We Are Built For Business"

 

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net <t...@byhalia.net>
wrote:

$5/month/IP

 

 

 

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 Original message 

From: Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com> 

Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing 

 

Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.

I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in
order to only sell to people who really need it.

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com> wrote:

How much do you charge business customers for static IPs? 

 

Comcast Business class cable internet charges

 1 - $14.95/mo.

 5 - $19.95/mo

 13 - $34.95/mo.

 

What do fiber providers charge?

 

I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current
provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.

 

We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN. 


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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/2/17 7:33 AM, Colton Conor wrote:
> Let me ask this a different way. If I ran out of IP space today, and had
> to go buy a /24 for someone how much would that cost on the open market?

Probably $4k for a /24.

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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Colton Conor
Let me ask this a different way. If I ran out of IP space today, and had to
go buy a /24 for someone how much would that cost on the open market? I
know you can't get them from ARIN anymore, so would it be a per year or per
month cost from whoever we leased them from?

The customer is on a bonded VDSL2 connection. 12 lines to be exact, so it
is a business class product with $500+ per month pricing. However, charging
the client an extra $620 per month for 62 statics seems excessive.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:29 AM, Bryce Duchcherer <bduc...@netago.ca> wrote:

> Agreed, at that point you should be selling them a dedicated connection,
> not just a regular business account.
>
> I don’t think that $5-10/IP is too much.
>
>
>
> Bryce D
>
> NETAGO
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Brad Belton
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 8:25 AM
> *To:* 'WISPA General List' <wireless@wispa.org>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing
>
>
>
> If they are able to legitimately justify a /26 in IP space then it’s
> possible you aren’t charging enough for your service.
>
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> <wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Tim Way
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:14 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing
>
>
>
> Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.
>
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you
> would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would
> then cost more than the actual service?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope <sp...@arbucklecomm.com> wrote:
>
> We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has
> been our pricing for 10+ years.
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Scott Pope
>
> Network and Operations Officer
>
> Arbuckle Communications, LLC
>
> Office: 580-226-1234 <(580)%20226-1234>
>
> Mobile: 580-277-1108 <(580)%20277-1108>
>
> sp...@arbucklecomm.com
>
> www.arbucklecomm.com
>
> *"We Are Built For Business"*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net <t...@byhalia.net>
> wrote:
>
> $5/month/IP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com>
>
> Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing
>
>
>
> Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.
>
> I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in
> order to only sell to people who really need it.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?
>
>
>
> Comcast Business class cable internet charges
>
>  *1 - $14.95/mo.*
>
> * 5 - $19.95/mo*
>
> * 13 - $34.95/mo*.
>
>
>
> What do fiber providers charge?
>
>
>
> I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current
> provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.
>
>
>
> We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net
For me it is cost I pay per IP block. I have a small block so price is higher.  
One supplier I checked was $70/month for 5 public IPs, so $14/month/IP.  The 
bigger the block I got the better the pricing.
Majority is private and very small amount is public IPs for me.


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Date: 2/2/17  10:20 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing 
Agreed, but I need to be able to justify this pricing somehow. What does AT 
charge if you get their Fiber MIS product? Is it unlimited with justification 
or what? What are most fiber providers doing even the ones that have extremely 
large blocks? 
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Tim Way <t...@way.vg> wrote:
Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.
On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you would 
charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would then cost 
more than the actual service?
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope <sp...@arbucklecomm.com> wrote:
We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has been 
our pricing for 10+ years.  

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Network and Operations Officer
Arbuckle Communications, LLC
Office: 580-226-1234
Mobile: 580-277-1108
sp...@arbucklecomm.com
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$5/month/IP


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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing 
Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.

I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in 
order to only sell to people who really need it.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?
Comcast Business class cable internet charges 1 - $14.95/mo. 5 - $19.95/mo 13 - 
$34.95/mo.
What do fiber providers charge?
I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current provider, 
and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.
We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN. 

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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Bryce Duchcherer
Agreed, at that point you should be selling them a dedicated connection, not 
just a regular business account.
I don’t think that $5-10/IP is too much.

Bryce D
NETAGO

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 8:25 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

If they are able to legitimately justify a /26 in IP space then it’s possible 
you aren’t charging enough for your service.

Brad

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Way
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.

On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" 
<colton.co...@gmail.com<mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you would 
charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would then cost 
more than the actual service?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope 
<sp...@arbucklecomm.com<mailto:sp...@arbucklecomm.com>> wrote:
We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has been 
our pricing for 10+ years.


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Office: 580-226-1234<tel:(580)%20226-1234>
Mobile: 580-277-1108<tel:(580)%20277-1108>
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www.arbucklecomm.com<http://www.arbucklecomm.com>
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On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net 
<t...@byhalia.net<mailto:t...@byhalia.net>> wrote:
$5/month/IP



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Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.

I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in 
order to only sell to people who really need it.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor 
<colton.co...@gmail.com<mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>> wrote:
How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?

Comcast Business class cable internet charges
 1 - $14.95/mo.
 5 - $19.95/mo
 13 - $34.95/mo.

What do fiber providers charge?

I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current provider, 
and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.

We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.

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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Simon Westlake
When I was at TWC, we would give out up to a /24 to a customer if they 
could justify it. Beyond that, we'd push them to go to ARIN. This was on 
fiber, if they were on coax, it was super expensive (like $50+ for a /29)


There was list pricing on the static IPs, but it was one of the first 
things to be discounted in negotiation. That being said, this was ~7 
years ago. I would look at what it will cost you to buy a /24 on the 
auction block, and charge enough to be able to replace your IPs as you 
run out - that would be the simplest justification. It's hard to compare 
to AT, as they probably have a lot of unused space, and a lot more 
resources to be able to obtain more.


On 2/2/2017 9:20 AM, Colton Conor wrote:
Agreed, but I need to be able to justify this pricing somehow. What 
does AT charge if you get their Fiber MIS product? Is it unlimited 
with justification or what? What are most fiber providers doing even 
the ones that have extremely large blocks?


On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Tim Way <t...@way.vg 
<mailto:t...@way.vg>> wrote:


Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.

On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.co...@gmail.com
<mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are
saying you would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost
of their statics would then cost more than the actual service?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope
<sp...@arbucklecomm.com <mailto:sp...@arbucklecomm.com>> wrote:

We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP
addresses.  This has been our pricing for 10+ years.


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Arbuckle Communications, LLC
Office: 580-226-1234 <tel:%28580%29%20226-1234>
Mobile: 580-277-1108 <tel:%28580%29%20277-1108>
sp...@arbucklecomm.com <mailto:sp...@arbucklecomm.com>
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On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net
<t...@byhalia.net <mailto:t...@byhalia.net>> wrote:

$5/month/IP



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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From: Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com
<mailto:judd.d...@gmail.com>>
Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various
fiber providers.

I've been planning to charge something like
$10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in order to only sell to
people who really need it.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor
<colton.co...@gmail.com
<mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com>> wrote:

How much do you charge business customers for
static IPs?

Comcast Business class cable internet charges
*1 - $14.95/mo.*
* 5 - $19.95/mo*
* 13 - $34.95/mo*.

What do fiber providers charge?

I have a potential client that currently has a /27
with his current provider, and would like at least
a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.

We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.

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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Brad Belton
If they are able to legitimately justify a /26 in IP space then it’s possible 
you aren’t charging enough for your service.

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Tim Way
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:14 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

 

Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.

 

On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.co...@gmail.com> wrote:

So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you would 
charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would then cost 
more than the actual service?

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope <sp...@arbucklecomm.com> wrote:

We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has been 
our pricing for 10+ years.  

 




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Arbuckle Communications, LLC

Office: 580-226-1234 <tel:(580)%20226-1234> 

Mobile: 580-277-1108 <tel:(580)%20277-1108> 

sp...@arbucklecomm.com

www.arbucklecomm.com

"We Are Built For Business"

 

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net <t...@byhalia.net> 
wrote:

$5/month/IP

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

 Original message 

From: Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com> 

Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00) 

To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing 

 

Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.

I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in 
order to only sell to people who really need it.

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com> wrote:

How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?

 

Comcast Business class cable internet charges

 1 - $14.95/mo.

 5 - $19.95/mo

 13 - $34.95/mo.

 

What do fiber providers charge?

 

I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current provider, 
and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.

 

We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN. 


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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/2/17 7:13 AM, Colton Conor wrote:
> So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying
> you would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics
> would then cost more than the actual service?


Consider the value of how many other individual customers you could put 
in that space as well vs. giving it to a single customer.

Also consider how much it will cost you to buy more IPv4 space if you 
need it in the future, because you sure aren't getting it from ARIN 
unless you want to get on the waiting list of broken dreams.

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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Colton Conor
Agreed, but I need to be able to justify this pricing somehow. What does
AT charge if you get their Fiber MIS product? Is it unlimited with
justification or what? What are most fiber providers doing even the ones
that have extremely large blocks?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:14 AM, Tim Way <t...@way.vg> wrote:

> Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.
>
> On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you
>> would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would
>> then cost more than the actual service?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope <sp...@arbucklecomm.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has
>>> been our pricing for 10+ years.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Scott Pope
>>> Network and Operations Officer
>>> Arbuckle Communications, LLC
>>> Office: 580-226-1234 <(580)%20226-1234>
>>> Mobile: 580-277-1108 <(580)%20277-1108>
>>> sp...@arbucklecomm.com
>>> www.arbucklecomm.com
>>>
>>> *"We Are Built For Business"*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net <
>>> t...@byhalia.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> $5/month/IP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>>
>>>>  Original message 
>>>> From: Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing
>>>>
>>>> Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.
>>>>
>>>> I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial
>>>> in order to only sell to people who really need it.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?
>>>>>
>>>>> Comcast Business class cable internet charges
>>>>>  *1 - $14.95/mo.*
>>>>> * 5 - $19.95/mo*
>>>>> * 13 - $34.95/mo*.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do fiber providers charge?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current
>>>>> provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.
>>>>>
>>>>> We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.
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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Josh Luthman
If they want a /26 they're paying way more than $600 for service.


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you
> would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would
> then cost more than the actual service?
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope <sp...@arbucklecomm.com> wrote:
>
>> We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has
>> been our pricing for 10+ years.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Scott Pope
>> Network and Operations Officer
>> Arbuckle Communications, LLC
>> Office: 580-226-1234 <(580)%20226-1234>
>> Mobile: 580-277-1108 <(580)%20277-1108>
>> sp...@arbucklecomm.com
>> www.arbucklecomm.com
>>
>> *"We Are Built For Business"*
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net <
>> t...@byhalia.net> wrote:
>>
>>> $5/month/IP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing
>>>
>>> Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.
>>>
>>> I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial
>>> in order to only sell to people who really need it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?
>>>>
>>>> Comcast Business class cable internet charges
>>>>  *1 - $14.95/mo.*
>>>> * 5 - $19.95/mo*
>>>> * 13 - $34.95/mo*.
>>>>
>>>> What do fiber providers charge?
>>>>
>>>> I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current
>>>> provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.
>>>>
>>>> We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Tim Way
Life in IPv4 is getting more expensive as scarcity increases.

On Feb 2, 2017 9:13 AM, "Colton Conor" <colton.co...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you
> would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would
> then cost more than the actual service?
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope <sp...@arbucklecomm.com> wrote:
>
>> We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has
>> been our pricing for 10+ years.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Scott Pope
>> Network and Operations Officer
>> Arbuckle Communications, LLC
>> Office: 580-226-1234 <(580)%20226-1234>
>> Mobile: 580-277-1108 <(580)%20277-1108>
>> sp...@arbucklecomm.com
>> www.arbucklecomm.com
>>
>> *"We Are Built For Business"*
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net <
>> t...@byhalia.net> wrote:
>>
>>> $5/month/IP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing
>>>
>>> Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.
>>>
>>> I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial
>>> in order to only sell to people who really need it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?
>>>>
>>>> Comcast Business class cable internet charges
>>>>  *1 - $14.95/mo.*
>>>> * 5 - $19.95/mo*
>>>> * 13 - $34.95/mo*.
>>>>
>>>> What do fiber providers charge?
>>>>
>>>> I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current
>>>> provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.
>>>>
>>>> We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.
>>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Colton Conor
So a /26 has 64 total IPs, but only 62 are useable. So you are saying you
would charge $5 - $10 per IP times 62 IPs? The cost of their statics would
then cost more than the actual service?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Scott Pope <sp...@arbucklecomm.com> wrote:

> We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has
> been our pricing for 10+ years.
>
>
> --
> Scott Pope
> Network and Operations Officer
> Arbuckle Communications, LLC
> Office: 580-226-1234 <(580)%20226-1234>
> Mobile: 580-277-1108 <(580)%20277-1108>
> sp...@arbucklecomm.com
> www.arbucklecomm.com
>
> *"We Are Built For Business"*
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net <t...@byhalia.net
> > wrote:
>
>> $5/month/IP
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com>
>> Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing
>>
>> Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.
>>
>> I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial
>> in order to only sell to people who really need it.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?
>>>
>>> Comcast Business class cable internet charges
>>>  *1 - $14.95/mo.*
>>> * 5 - $19.95/mo*
>>> * 13 - $34.95/mo*.
>>>
>>> What do fiber providers charge?
>>>
>>> I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current
>>> provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.
>>>
>>> We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Scott Pope
We charge $8.50 per month/per IP for our Static IP addresses.  This has
been our pricing for 10+ years.


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On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:16 AM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net <t...@byhalia.net>
wrote:

> $5/month/IP
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>  Original message 
> From: Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com>
> Date: 2/1/17 9:28 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing
>
> Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.
>
> I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in
> order to only sell to people who really need it.
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?
>>
>> Comcast Business class cable internet charges
>>  *1 - $14.95/mo.*
>> * 5 - $19.95/mo*
>> * 13 - $34.95/mo*.
>>
>> What do fiber providers charge?
>>
>> I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current
>> provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.
>>
>> We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.
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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-02 Thread Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net
$5/month/IP


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Judd Dare <judd.d...@gmail.com> Date: 
2/1/17  9:28 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing 
Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.

I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in 
order to only sell to people who really need it.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor <colton.co...@gmail.com> wrote:
How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?
Comcast Business class cable internet charges 1 - $14.95/mo. 5 - $19.95/mo 13 - 
$34.95/mo.
What do fiber providers charge?
I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current provider, 
and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.
We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN. 

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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-01 Thread Judd Dare
Typical cost is around $1-2/IP/Month with various fiber providers.

I've been planning to charge something like $10-20/IP/Mo for commercial in
order to only sell to people who really need it.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:

> How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?
>
> Comcast Business class cable internet charges
>  *1 - $14.95/mo.*
> * 5 - $19.95/mo*
> * 13 - $34.95/mo*.
>
> What do fiber providers charge?
>
> I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current
> provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.
>
> We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Static IP Pricing

2017-02-01 Thread Adair Winter
We are $10/mo/ip

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Colton Conor  wrote:

> How much do you charge business customers for static IPs?
>
> Comcast Business class cable internet charges
>  *1 - $14.95/mo.*
> * 5 - $19.95/mo*
> * 13 - $34.95/mo*.
>
> What do fiber providers charge?
>
> I have a potential client that currently has a /27 with his current
> provider, and would like at least a /27 or preferably a /26 from us.
>
> We only have a /21 worth of space from ARIN.
>
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