Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product
Lih-Er, We have used the Proxim Tsunami Quickbridge product for some time now and are very happy with it. However, it's going to cost you at least twice what you have budgeted. - Original Message - From: Lih-Er Wey we...@msu.edu To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:54:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product I need to bring network to a structure (2- story ) in a field from a building (about 1000 feet away, 7 -story ) . It does not need high bandwidth. I would like to hear any product recommendation fro m you. The budget range is under a $1000 for a pair of wireless bridge. I am more concern about the reliability and security sides of the product. By the way, does anyone have experience with NanoStation5 from Ubiquiti network? It is quite inexpensive ($160 a pair). Thanks! Lih-Er Wey Wireless Project, Network Management Academic Technology Services Michigan State University __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3924 (20090310) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product
We've been using a couple of Bridgewave products for several years now. They seem bullet-proof and require minimal maintenance (we buy support that includes annual checkups). We've got a couple of 1000Mbps versions and a 100Mbps version. Don't have the exact model numbers at hand, but I'm pretty sure they're the 60Ghz models. Our distances are relatively short, probably less than 1,000 meters; we use them when cabling is difficult because it crosses water or because it's to non-campus premises where we don't have easy conduit access. -- Doug Payne Manager, Network Support and Development, IST University of Waterloo ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product
Due to the availability of more channels in the 5GHz range I'd recommend going with 11a radios. Less chance for interference. Rick Lee H Badman wrote: We have several bridge links in use, and have a history going back to Aironet (pre-Cisco days). For current small locations, the Cisco 1400 is very nice- but pricy compared to what you want to spend. The 1300 is also pricey, and we’ve had some issues with it. But the Cisco 1200 AP can work in bridging mode, and we have around a half-dozen pairs in service. These can be had on the secondary market fairly cheaply, and if you get your antennas, feed cable, and lightening protection from a place like Sparco Technologies, you’ll pay a fraction of Cisco’s prices for like-quality bits and pieces. You should be able to put together a 54 Mbps bridge link using 1200 APs (secondary market) working in bridge mode with antenna hardware from Sparco Tech for under $1000. But you’ll also need station cabling to each bridge location. Just make sure that you get 1200s with 11g radios- not 11b. If you want to go dirt cheap- get Linksys WRT54G routers, flash them with DD-WRT or the like, and they’ll do bridging as well and still take the directional antennas- but I’d have a hard time standing behind this sort of thing in a production environment. -Lee Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Syracuse University 315 443-3003 *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] *On Behalf Of *Lih-Er Wey *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:55 PM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product I need to bring network to a structure (2-story) in a field from a building (about 1000 feet away, 7-story). It does not need high bandwidth. I would like to hear any product recommendation from you. The budget range is under a $1000 for a pair of wireless bridge. I am more concern about the reliability and security sides of the product. By the way, does anyone have experience with NanoStation5 from Ubiquiti network? It is quite inexpensive ($160 a pair). Thanks! Lih-Er Wey Wireless Project, Network Management Academic Technology Services Michigan State University __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3924 (20090310) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. -- Richard E. (Rick) Brown Network Systems Engineer Communication Technologies Office of Information Technology N.C. State University (919) 515-5489 office (919) 515-1641 fax (919) 601-1651 cell rick_br...@ncsu.edu http://www.ahecta.org/ ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product
I have been testing some of the new Ubiquiti Products for a point to point application. Specifically the new Bullet5 product. So far I have been impressed with their abilities but have just used them in a test setup so far. They have a very good price point. They are new enough that they are somewhat hard to find and have no long term history although the company has been in the Wireless ISP provider area for some time. Are current bridges are using Cisco. Bob Owens Kansas State University - Original Message - From: Philippe Hanset To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product Lih-Er, Considering your budget, you could: Acquire two linksys WRT54GL and load open-wrt, then use the WDS protocol, (2.4 GHz only!!!) or get two Proxim AP-4000 (Ebay has good deals on those), use WDS and enable the turbo mode. The Proxim has two radios. So we usually use one radio (the 5 Ghz) for bridging to the small structure and the other radio (2.4 GHz) for Wi-Fi coverage. The bridge will pass multiple VLANs! Philippe Hanset Univ of TN On Mar 11, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Daniel Eklund wrote: Lih-Er, We have used the Proxim Tsunami Quickbridge product for some time now and are very happy with it. However, it's going to cost you at least twice what you have budgeted. - Original Message - From: Lih-Er Wey we...@msu.edu To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:54:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product I need to bring network to a structure (2-story) in a field from a building (about 1000 feet away, 7-story). It does not need high bandwidth. I would like to hear any product recommendation from you. The budget range is under a $1000 for a pair of wireless bridge. I am more concern about the reliability and security sides of the product. By the way, does anyone have experience with NanoStation5 from Ubiquiti network? It is quite inexpensive ($160 a pair). Thanks! Lih-Er Wey Wireless Project, Network Management Academic Technology Services Michigan State University __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3924 (20090310) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found athttp://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
IDEngines and Autoconnect
We have heard many positive feedback about IDEngines and Autoconnect. We are just trying to evaluate this product and I cannot find this company anymore. Is this product completely replaced by XpressConnect? For the folks using this product, do you still get good support? will you stay with this product or look for other alternatives? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Dennis Xu Network Analyst Computing and Communication Services University of Guelph 5198244120 x 56217 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] IDEngines and Autoconnect
The IdEngines company closed and was in part acquired by ... but the Autoconnect product is also marketed as Cloudpath.net XPressConnect And yes, we are also a satisfied customer. Randy -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Xu Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:08 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] IDEngines and Autoconnect We have heard many positive feedback about IDEngines and Autoconnect. We are just trying to evaluate this product and I cannot find this company anymore. Is this product completely replaced by XpressConnect? For the folks using this product, do you still get good support? will you stay with this product or look for other alternatives? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Dennis Xu Network Analyst Computing and Communication Services University of Guelph 5198244120 x 56217 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] IDEngines and Autoconnect
We started looking at the IDEngines Autoconnect product, but learned that they actually OEM'd that product from Cloudpath (i.e. their XpressConnect product).As such, we turned our attention and evaluation efforts in that direction, were very pleased with what we found, and just purchased a University-wide subscription for the product. See www.cloudpath.net for details. You probably can't find anything about Identity Engines now because they've gone bye-bye (see attached). -- Jim Gogan ITS Communication Technologies Univ of North Carolina at Chapel Hill Dennis Xu wrote: We have heard many positive feedback about IDEngines and Autoconnect. We are just trying to evaluate this product and I cannot find this company anymore. Is this product completely replaced by XpressConnect? For the folks using this product, do you still get good support? will you stay with this product or look for other alternatives? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Dennis Xu Network Analyst Computing and Communication Services University of Guelph 5198244120 x 56217 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. Potential Customer Ltr 1 fnl email.pdf Description: Binary data
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] IDEngines and Autoconnect
One personal observation... but first I need to agree with Randy. This utility and it's ease of use has been very helpful in configuring our 802.1x supplicants, and the ID Engines folks were great to work with. That being said- the latest Mac versions and now Windows 7 (and Ubuntu) seem to be much better at autoconfiguring all on their own- at least for PEAP/MS-CHAPv2. The drawback- they won't get set up correctly for trusting only your Auth servers. But then again, most iPhones and such probably aren't trusting the server cert either. I don't recommend not trusting the cert, but this is one area that is probably wildly inconsistent among and across PEAP/MS-CHAPv2 environments. Also- the use of the XPressConnect tool requires use of Windows supplicant- no more Intel ProSet/Broadcom/Toshiba/Linksys, etc wireless utility. These third party utilities are often far more functional than the native Windows wireless clients, but it can be very hard to support a variety of supplicants so you need to be restrictive to just Windows client for the Cloudpath tool to be effective. Lee H. Badman Wireless/Network Engineer Information Technology and Services Syracuse University 315 443-3003 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Randall C Grimshaw Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:12 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] IDEngines and Autoconnect The IdEngines company closed and was in part acquired by ... but the Autoconnect product is also marketed as Cloudpath.net XPressConnect And yes, we are also a satisfied customer. Randy -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Xu Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:08 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] IDEngines and Autoconnect We have heard many positive feedback about IDEngines and Autoconnect. We are just trying to evaluate this product and I cannot find this company anymore. Is this product completely replaced by XpressConnect? For the folks using this product, do you still get good support? will you stay with this product or look for other alternatives? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Dennis Xu Network Analyst Computing and Communication Services University of Guelph 5198244120 x 56217 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product
Lih-Er, I agree with Daniel. His suggestion is solid, and probably the most recommended solution (price and functionality - wise) - especially for a production environment. I'm not sure lower cost equipment that can do WDS bridging will have the range you desire (1000 feet). Apple's Airport Extreme Base Station offers this feature in 802.11n a/b/g flavors. Apple's HW also offers the ability to have up to 5 units in a relay or remote setup topology. This is the link to follow (page 42): http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Designing_AirPort_Networks_10.5-Windows.pd f http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Designing_AirPort_Networks_10.5-Windows.pdf ___ ___ Fishel Erps Sr. Network Infrastructure Engineer School of Visual Arts LL: 212-592-2416 Cell: 646-201-2766 Fax: 212-592-2243 E-Mail: fe...@sva.edu ___ ___ _ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:wireless-...@listserv.educause.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Eklund Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:58 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product Lih-Er, We have used the Proxim Tsunami Quickbridge product for some time now and are very happy with it. However, it's going to cost you at least twice what you have budgeted. - Original Message - From: Lih-Er Wey we...@msu.edu To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:54:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product I need to bring network to a structure (2-story) in a field from a building (about 1000 feet away, 7-story). It does not need high bandwidth. I would like to hear any product recommendation from you. The budget range is under a $1000 for a pair of wireless bridge. I am more concern about the reliability and security sides of the product. By the way, does anyone have experience with NanoStation5 from Ubiquiti network? It is quite inexpensive ($160 a pair). Thanks! Lih-Er Wey Wireless Project, Network Management Academic Technology Services Michigan State University __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3924 (20090310) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product
As a follow up. I did do a test run with the Ubiquiti Bullets and set up a WDS link in their software and successfully carried 802.11q Trunk VLANs across the link between two Cisco switches. Bob Owens - Original Message - From: Robert Owens To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product I have been testing some of the new Ubiquiti Products for a point to point application. Specifically the new Bullet5 product. So far I have been impressed with their abilities but have just used them in a test setup so far. They have a very good price point. They are new enough that they are somewhat hard to find and have no long term history although the company has been in the Wireless ISP provider area for some time. Are current bridges are using Cisco. Bob Owens Kansas State University - Original Message - From: Philippe Hanset To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product Lih-Er, Considering your budget, you could: Acquire two linksys WRT54GL and load open-wrt, then use the WDS protocol, (2.4 GHz only!!!) or get two Proxim AP-4000 (Ebay has good deals on those), use WDS and enable the turbo mode. The Proxim has two radios. So we usually use one radio (the 5 Ghz) for bridging to the small structure and the other radio (2.4 GHz) for Wi-Fi coverage. The bridge will pass multiple VLANs! Philippe Hanset Univ of TN On Mar 11, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Daniel Eklund wrote: Lih-Er, We have used the Proxim Tsunami Quickbridge product for some time now and are very happy with it. However, it's going to cost you at least twice what you have budgeted. - Original Message - From: Lih-Er Wey we...@msu.edu To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:54:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Seeking recommendation for wireless bridge product I need to bring network to a structure (2-story) in a field from a building (about 1000 feet away, 7-story). It does not need high bandwidth. I would like to hear any product recommendation from you. The budget range is under a $1000 for a pair of wireless bridge. I am more concern about the reliability and security sides of the product. By the way, does anyone have experience with NanoStation5 from Ubiquiti network? It is quite inexpensive ($160 a pair). Thanks! Lih-Er Wey Wireless Project, Network Management Academic Technology Services Michigan State University __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3924 (20090310) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found athttp://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
