RE: Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disappointing numbers of 5ghz clients

2011-09-29 Thread Lee H Badman
Now I'm getting curious. We have had 1 and 2 Mbps disabled for years and are 
contemplating also pulling the plug on 5.5 and maybe 11.

We have Cisco WCS, and I'm struggling to find a meaningful way to quantify 
whether the lower rates are being used and to what extent, without hopping 
through hundreds of clients individually to see what they are at. Has anyone 
found any sort of data rate trending/reporting mechanism to use as you turn off 
legacy rates?

Regards-

Lee Badman

Lee H. Badman

Wireless/Network Engineer

Information Technology and Services

Adjunct Instructor, iSchool

Syracuse University

315 443-3003

 
 

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:47 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disappointing numbers of 
5ghz clients

You can't turn off 11b if you need to support wireless game consoles. On our 
Aruba system, we turned off 1  2 Mbit transmit rates, but we needed to list 2 
as a basic rate, primarily for Nintendo gaming systems. We have 5.5 Mbit turned 
on for Transmit  Basic rates.

This allows some performance improvement, while still permitting some 11b  
gaming consoles designed for consumer networks.

Bruce Osborne
Wireless Network Engineer
IT Network Services
 
(434) 592-4229
 
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011

-Original Message-
From: Voll, Toivo [mailto:to...@usf.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disappointing numbers of 5ghz clients

You're correct, getting rid of not only 802.11b but also the lower data rates 
of g/a is absolutely a must for any area that has high client density or 
bandwidth requirements. However, in some select locations and applications 
there's too much organizational inertia / money tied in custom systems to allow 
us to discontinue a service that's been previously provided, so here and there 
we'll still support it. (Also, see previous Ticketmaster thread...)

-Toivo

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kees Pronk
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:23
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disappointing numbers of 5ghz 
clients

Toivo,

You might want to consider to shut off 802.11b, it takes away valuable 
'airtime' from the rest of your clients by slowing down potentially all of your 
AP's with management and beacon frames only for 13 clients..
We did it via our captive portal, informing our clients about this.
Most devices were from our organisation so the users were happy to get better 
gear.

best regards, Kees.

 Voll, Toivo to...@usf.edu 9/28/2011 5:36 PM 
And here’s ours. We’re mostly dual-band, but not all N, and Band Select is 
enabled. Note the number of 802.11b clients.

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Toivo Voll
Network Administrator
Information Technology Communications
University of South Florida



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RE: Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disappointing numbers of 5ghz clients

2011-09-29 Thread Lee H Badman
Hi Karl-

Thanks for that. I probably should have been more clear- looking for data rate 
(or MCS in 11n) trending, not just lump protocol counts though they have value. 

-Lee
 
 

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Karl von Zittwitz
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:39 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disappointing numbers of 
5ghz clients

Lee,

Just run a clinet summary report from your WCS and that will give you the 
information that you are looking for.

Karl


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Lee H Badman 
[lhbad...@syr.edu]
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:25 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disappointing numbers of 
5ghz clients

Now I'm getting curious. We have had 1 and 2 Mbps disabled for years and are 
contemplating also pulling the plug on 5.5 and maybe 11.

We have Cisco WCS, and I'm struggling to find a meaningful way to quantify 
whether the lower rates are being used and to what extent, without hopping 
through hundreds of clients individually to see what they are at. Has anyone 
found any sort of data rate trending/reporting mechanism to use as you turn off 
legacy rates?

Regards-

Lee Badman

Lee H. Badman

Wireless/Network Engineer

Information Technology and Services

Adjunct Instructor, iSchool

Syracuse University

315 443-3003




-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:47 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disappointing numbers of 
5ghz clients

You can't turn off 11b if you need to support wireless game consoles. On our 
Aruba system, we turned off 1  2 Mbit transmit rates, but we needed to list 2 
as a basic rate, primarily for Nintendo gaming systems. We have 5.5 Mbit turned 
on for Transmit  Basic rates.

This allows some performance improvement, while still permitting some 11b  
gaming consoles designed for consumer networks.

Bruce Osborne
Wireless Network Engineer
IT Network Services

(434) 592-4229

LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
40 Years of Training Champions for Christ: 1971-2011

-Original Message-
From: Voll, Toivo [mailto:to...@usf.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disappointing numbers of 5ghz clients

You're correct, getting rid of not only 802.11b but also the lower data rates 
of g/a is absolutely a must for any area that has high client density or 
bandwidth requirements. However, in some select locations and applications 
there's too much organizational inertia / money tied in custom systems to allow 
us to discontinue a service that's been previously provided, so here and there 
we'll still support it. (Also, see previous Ticketmaster thread...)

-Toivo

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Kees Pronk
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:23
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Betr.: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disappointing numbers of 5ghz 
clients

Toivo,

You might want to consider to shut off 802.11b, it takes away valuable 
'airtime' from the rest of your clients by slowing down potentially all of your 
AP's with management and beacon frames only for 13 clients..
We did it via our captive portal, informing our clients about this.
Most devices were from our organisation so the users were happy to get better 
gear.

best regards, Kees.

 Voll, Toivo to...@usf.edu 9/28/2011 5:36 PM 
And here's ours. We're mostly dual-band, but not all N, and Band Select is 
enabled. Note the number of 802.11b clients.

[cid:image003.png@01CC7DD2.EF4B10A0]

Toivo Voll
Network Administrator
Information Technology Communications
University of South Florida



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