RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning
We have had to begin installing more APs (we have only 30 APs total). I have attributed this to the fact that newer Apple devices will hang onto a bad 5 Ghz connection over a solid 2.4 Ghz, the introduction of lower powered devices (Apple TVs for example), and metal studs in our newer dorms. It seems keeping my users on 5 Ghz is far more difficult than 2.4 Ghz was. Does the above sound correct? Bob Williamson Network Administrator Annie Wright Schools | 827 N Tacoma Ave, Tacoma, WA 98403 | www.aw.org D: 253.272.2216 | F: 253.572.3616 | bob_william...@aw.org Mission: Annie Wright's strong community cultivates individual learners to become well-educated, creative, and responsible citizens for a global society. Find Annie Wright Schools on Facebook Follow our Head of Schools on Twitter @AWShead "Be green; keep it on the screen." ~ AWS Green Team -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stewart, Joe Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:47 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning As we remodel newer dorms moving forward, we put a network drop above the ceiling tile for every other room and then evaluate as needed for placement. We moved from about 4 to 5 access points per dorm building for legacy deployments over to about 20 in newer construction. -67 to -70 dBi is a good threshold as stated. Our biggest hurdle in the past was the lack of existing infrastructure in old buildings, so we're limited to that in certain spaces that haven't undergone construction. Joe Stewart Network Specialist Claremont McKenna College -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Nathan Hay Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning The cutoff for Cisco wireless phones in 5Ghz is -67 per their design guide for voice and I use closer to -70 in 2.4 Ghz for data-only deployments. These are all low-density deployments however, so YMMV for dorms. Nathan Hay Network Engineer | NOC WinWholesale Inc. 888-225-5947 From: "Barros, Jacob" To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU, Date: 12/11/2013 04:27 PM Subject:[WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning Sent by:The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv We are going into dorm rooms over winter break to review ap placement. Do any of you have a policy (written or unwritten) that sets a minimum RSSI for a space? For example, if the RSSI is -65 or lower then you shuffle or add an ap to the area? Jake Barros | Network Administrator | Office of Information Technology Grace College and Seminary | Winona Lake, IN | 574.372.5100 x6178 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. * This email message and any attachments is for use only by the named addressee(s) and may contain confidential, privileged and/or proprietary information. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete and destroy the message and all copies. All unauthorized direct or indirect use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited. No right to confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any error in transmission. * ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning
Hi all, What device or test equipment is being used for the RSSI value? If we see -65dBm on a Fluke AirCheck, we’re lucky to get -72dBm on an Intel 5100 in an HP laptop, as an example. We’d like to pick a specific device, eg, an iPad and create standard measurements on such a device so the customer is empowered to report a fault based on data they have available. Tristan On 12 Dec 2013, at 8:27 am, Barros, Jacob wrote: > We are going into dorm rooms over winter break to review ap placement. Do > any of you have a policy (written or unwritten) that sets a minimum RSSI for > a space? For example, if the RSSI is -65 or lower then you shuffle or add an > ap to the area? > > > > Jake Barros | Network Administrator | Office of Information Technology > Grace College and Seminary | Winona Lake, IN | 574.372.5100 x6178 > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
client provisioning
Hi All, A quick question on member's experiences with the different client provisioning tools. I'm interested on what people have found is the most successful in each of the tools and mechanims for eduroam configuration on multiple vendors and clients: - cloudpass - securew2 joinNow Multios - aruba clearpass quickconnect - others? - manual config via service desk I know there has been a lot of chat about cloudpass xpressconnect, but haven't seen other products mentioned much and am curious why and what the state of play is. thanks, David Rhodes, Senior Engineer (Networks), Information Technology Services Division. Deakin University, Geelong Waterfront campus, 3217, Victoria, Australia. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv on behalf of WIRELESS-LAN automatic digest system Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2013 4:00 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: WIRELESS-LAN Digest - 9 Dec 2013 to 10 Dec 2013 (#2013-233) Important Notice: The contents of this email are intended solely for the named addressee and are confidential; any unauthorised use, reproduction or storage of the contents is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please delete it and any attachments immediately and advise the sender by return email or telephone. Deakin University does not warrant that this email and any attachments are error or virus free. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning
Hello Jake, Here are our Best Practices: University of Colorado Best Practices Guide for Wireless Design The following is a list of the Best Practices used for creating Wireless Network Designs for the Boulder Campus of the University of Colorado. This design includes optimal coverage cells, power settings and channel configuration for the access points: * All designs are based upon 95% coverage within the coverage areas for an 802.11n 5GHz design @ - 65dBm or better. * Coverage for 802.11n 2.4 GHz with be @ -67dBm or better * Channel Plan for the 2.4 GHz Plan will only use channels 1, 6, & 11. * Channel Plan for the 5 GHz Plan will use channels 36+, 44+, 52+, 60+, 149+, & 157+. (UNII-2 Extended optional) * Channel Plan for the 5 GHz Plan will be based upon 40 GHz Channel Bonding * User Capacity Requirements of 1 client device per seat in the lecture halls. * User Capacity Requirements of 3 client devices per bedroom in the residence halls. * Access Points will be designed for 40 connections per AP to provide optimal experiences for typical web browsing and email applications. * Make and Model of Client Requested APs: o Cisco Aironet 3500 Series Access Point (AIR-CAP3502I-x-K9) o Cisco Aironet 3600 Series Access Points * Outdoor units will be installed to in climate and weather protected boxes. * Build a WLAN design to incorporate wall attenuation factors based upon on site measurements for absorption (when provided) and industry standards for reflection of the identified building materials * The entire wireless network design will be constructed with uniform transmit power for all Access Points (except in the Lecture Halls where low power APs will be deployed as required for density issues). * Stairwells, storage areas and elevators do not require coverage. From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Barros, Jacob Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:28 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning We are going into dorm rooms over winter break to review ap placement. Do any of you have a policy (written or unwritten) that sets a minimum RSSI for a space? For example, if the RSSI is -65 or lower then you shuffle or add an ap to the area? Jake Barros | Network Administrator | Office of Information Technology Grace College and Seminary | Winona Lake, IN | 574.372.5100 x6178 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning
Remember that while a minimum RSSI is still important; with as dense as things have gotten, the bigger challenge these days is keeping up with density while keeping ACI and CCI to a minimum. Having good a good RSSI is useless if you've got four dozen clients all vying for a time slice to get their frames through. -Luke On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Hugh Flemington wrote: > We're going down the road to wireless coverage everywhere and are using > minimum -65 as our design intent in both 2.4 and 5 Ghz. It's more of a > vision right now but there's been a fair amount of new construction > recently and we've tried to keep to that plan. We've got two new > residences starting construction now (5 floors 272 students, 9 floors 272 > students) and they'll be the first with the full coverage. > > Our wireless coverage in public and classroom space has been pretty good > but was based on the laptop user sitting in one location. We're challenged > now by the lower power handheld devices and the movement so we're drafting > plans to revisit and retrofit building by building. > Hugh > > Hugh Flemington > Queen's University > Kingston Canada > > -Original Message- > From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Nathan Hay > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:34 PM > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU > Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning > > The cutoff for Cisco wireless phones in 5Ghz is -67 per their design guide > for voice and I use closer to -70 in 2.4 Ghz for data-only deployments. > These are all low-density deployments however, so YMMV for dorms. > > > Nathan Hay > Network Engineer | NOC > WinWholesale Inc. > 888-225-5947 > > > > From: "Barros, Jacob" > To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU, > Date: 12/11/2013 04:27 PM > Subject:[WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning > Sent by:The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv > > > > > We are going into dorm rooms over winter break to review ap placement. Do > any of you have a policy (written or unwritten) that sets a minimum RSSI > for a space? For example, if the RSSI is -65 or lower then you shuffle or > add an ap to the area? > > > > Jake Barros | Network Administrator | Office of Information Technology > Grace College and Seminary | Winona Lake, IN | 574.372.5100 x6178 > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > > > * > This email message and any attachments is for use only by the named > addressee(s) and may contain confidential, privileged and/or proprietary > information. If you have received this message in error, please > immediately notify the sender and delete and destroy the message and all > copies. All unauthorized direct or indirect use or disclosure of this > message is strictly prohibited. No right to confidentiality or privilege > is waived or lost by any error in transmission. > > * > > ** > Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent > Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > ** > Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent > Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Luke Jenkins Network Engineer Weber State University ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning
We're going down the road to wireless coverage everywhere and are using minimum -65 as our design intent in both 2.4 and 5 Ghz. It's more of a vision right now but there's been a fair amount of new construction recently and we've tried to keep to that plan. We've got two new residences starting construction now (5 floors 272 students, 9 floors 272 students) and they'll be the first with the full coverage. Our wireless coverage in public and classroom space has been pretty good but was based on the laptop user sitting in one location. We're challenged now by the lower power handheld devices and the movement so we're drafting plans to revisit and retrofit building by building. Hugh Hugh Flemington Queen's University Kingston Canada -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Nathan Hay Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 4:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning The cutoff for Cisco wireless phones in 5Ghz is -67 per their design guide for voice and I use closer to -70 in 2.4 Ghz for data-only deployments. These are all low-density deployments however, so YMMV for dorms. Nathan Hay Network Engineer | NOC WinWholesale Inc. 888-225-5947 From: "Barros, Jacob" To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU, Date: 12/11/2013 04:27 PM Subject:[WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning Sent by:The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv We are going into dorm rooms over winter break to review ap placement. Do any of you have a policy (written or unwritten) that sets a minimum RSSI for a space? For example, if the RSSI is -65 or lower then you shuffle or add an ap to the area? Jake Barros | Network Administrator | Office of Information Technology Grace College and Seminary | Winona Lake, IN | 574.372.5100 x6178 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. * This email message and any attachments is for use only by the named addressee(s) and may contain confidential, privileged and/or proprietary information. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete and destroy the message and all copies. All unauthorized direct or indirect use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited. No right to confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any error in transmission. * ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning
As we remodel newer dorms moving forward, we put a network drop above the ceiling tile for every other room and then evaluate as needed for placement. We moved from about 4 to 5 access points per dorm building for legacy deployments over to about 20 in newer construction. -67 to -70 dBi is a good threshold as stated. Our biggest hurdle in the past was the lack of existing infrastructure in old buildings, so we're limited to that in certain spaces that haven't undergone construction. Joe Stewart Network Specialist Claremont McKenna College -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Nathan Hay Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:34 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning The cutoff for Cisco wireless phones in 5Ghz is -67 per their design guide for voice and I use closer to -70 in 2.4 Ghz for data-only deployments. These are all low-density deployments however, so YMMV for dorms. Nathan Hay Network Engineer | NOC WinWholesale Inc. 888-225-5947 From: "Barros, Jacob" To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU, Date: 12/11/2013 04:27 PM Subject:[WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning Sent by:The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv We are going into dorm rooms over winter break to review ap placement. Do any of you have a policy (written or unwritten) that sets a minimum RSSI for a space? For example, if the RSSI is -65 or lower then you shuffle or add an ap to the area? Jake Barros | Network Administrator | Office of Information Technology Grace College and Seminary | Winona Lake, IN | 574.372.5100 x6178 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. * This email message and any attachments is for use only by the named addressee(s) and may contain confidential, privileged and/or proprietary information. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete and destroy the message and all copies. All unauthorized direct or indirect use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited. No right to confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any error in transmission. * ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning
The cutoff for Cisco wireless phones in 5Ghz is -67 per their design guide for voice and I use closer to -70 in 2.4 Ghz for data-only deployments. These are all low-density deployments however, so YMMV for dorms. Nathan Hay Network Engineer | NOC WinWholesale Inc. 888-225-5947 From: "Barros, Jacob" To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU, Date: 12/11/2013 04:27 PM Subject:[WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning Sent by:The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv We are going into dorm rooms over winter break to review ap placement. Do any of you have a policy (written or unwritten) that sets a minimum RSSI for a space? For example, if the RSSI is -65 or lower then you shuffle or add an ap to the area? Jake Barros | Network Administrator | Office of Information Technology Grace College and Seminary | Winona Lake, IN | 574.372.5100 x6178 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. * This email message and any attachments is for use only by the named addressee(s) and may contain confidential, privileged and/or proprietary information. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete and destroy the message and all copies. All unauthorized direct or indirect use or disclosure of this message is strictly prohibited. No right to confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any error in transmission. * ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
WiFi planning
We are going into dorm rooms over winter break to review ap placement. Do any of you have a policy (written or unwritten) that sets a minimum RSSI for a space? For example, if the RSSI is -65 or lower then you shuffle or add an ap to the area? Jake Barros | Network Administrator | Office of Information Technology Grace College and Seminary | Winona Lake, IN | 574.372.5100 x6178 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
cisco custom webauth email field
I'm setting up a custom webauth with email input required for a test wlan. The problem I keep having is that on the webauth page if you place your cursor in the email address field and press enter/return on your keyboard it takes you to the default wlc internal webpage. It all works as far as putting any email address in the field and clicking the accept button. It is only when you hit the enter key instead of clicking the accept button when the problem exhibits itself. It happens on either the default webauth bundle you download from cisco or if I customize one of the pages from the bundle. Has anyone else encountered this problem? Trenton Hurt Wireless Network Administrator University of Louisville Phone (502) 852-1513 FAX (502) 852-1424 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: Social media "credentials" for guest access?
My thoughts (not speaking for my employer) are right along the same lines. The analytics are nice, but if they’re of interest to departments or colleges, the same data can likely be gleaned from the university’s own records. On the other hand, in public venues (sports arenas, outreach events, college expos, campus tours) it might still be worthwhile. -- Toivo Voll Network Engineer Information Technology Communications University of South Florida From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:59 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Social media "credentials" for guest access? Hello to the Group- Among WLAN vendors and portal provider, the usage of social media login as an acceptable guest network sign-in mechanism is getting more common. I get the appeal for retail/hospitality WLANs that ultimately will Target marketing at you based on these credentials, but I’m not digging it myself for use in higher ed because of the “anyone can come up with a BS social media sign-in” factor. At the same time, to dismiss any system that uses social media means narrowing down your choices for guest access when you’re shopping, and so I wonder… Are any schools using guest access that is based on social media login? How’s it working out for you, and have you ever regretted the choice? Thanks- Lee Badman ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Social media "credentials" for guest access?
Lee, We're on the same wavelength--I can see the allure for commercial applications. Higher ed uses will lean more toward attribution. We tried Facebook authentication for about 20 seconds before coming to the conclusion that our target population would be overly skeptical about what we might do with the data. We're currently authenticating guests via SMS. Rand Rand P. Hall Director, Network Services askIT! Merrimack College 978-837-3532 rand.h...@merrimack.edu If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 59 minutes defining the problem and one minute finding solutions. – Einstein On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Lee H Badman wrote: > Hello to the Group- > > Among WLAN vendors and portal provider, the usage of social media login as > an acceptable guest network sign-in mechanism is getting more common. I get > the appeal for retail/hospitality WLANs that ultimately will Target > marketing at you based on these credentials, but I’m not digging it myself > for use in higher ed because of the “anyone can come up with a BS social > media sign-in” factor. At the same time, to dismiss any system that uses > social media means narrowing down your choices for guest access when you’re > shopping, and so I wonder… > > Are any schools using guest access that is based on social media login? > How’s it working out for you, and have you ever regretted the choice? > > > Thanks- > > Lee Badman > > > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
