RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Have not done it myself yet, but a computing staff member here has it going nicely, with little effort. Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -Original Message- From: Matt Williams [mcw...@bucknell.edu] Received: Wednesday, 12 Mar 2014, 16:03 To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Has anyone else had an issue getting the iPad to pair with the AppleTV via BlueTooth? I've udpated both to the required versions, but they both just sit there spinning their wheels when trying to discover. Respectfully, Matthew Will Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edumailto:jdh...@psu.edu wrote: I’ve not seen anything in OSX yet, but I’ve not installed the very latest 10.9.3 update. I came across the bluetooth discovery in iOS when I was testing out the beta. It hasn’t gotten any hype and was hoping that it would be leaked so I could talk about before it was released. We talked about doing the same thing with Bluetooth LE, then held off since Apple was going to release it. On Mar 11, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Seems to be that way I can’t get my osx to see the apple tv but can see it from iOS 7.1 devices via Bluetooth. Here is different website with some screens of doing airplay via Bluetooth http://www.afp548.com/2014/03/10/hidden-airplay-feature-in-the-appletv-6-1-ios-7-1-update/ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I'll bet support in 10.9 will be in the next patch. I don't think Apple even mentions this new feature in the release notes. Jeff On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, in message 108be36f63e8cc4c8c84a5dce1c0d2a1b33c7...@exmbx07.ad.louisville.edumailto:108be36f63e8cc4c8c84a5dce1c0d2a1b33c7...@exmbx07.ad.louisville.edu, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edumailto:trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Have you been able to get an osx 10.9 to see the apple tv via Bluetooth? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Apple just released discovery over bluetooth in iOS 6.1. This is a major hurdle for most institutions as it no longer requires bonjour for discovery but instead relies on bluetooth. I've tested it and it works well. I wonder if they will add this support into OSX soon. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tv/news/apple-tv-61-update-brings-airplay-security-option-discovery-over-bluetooth-and-more-494249 This certainly doesn't invalidate our work on our Mirror App, but for some it may be the missing piece which we were also providing. Mirror will also allow you to use AirServer and provides a way to connect to AppleTVs from remote locations. Either way, it's about time Apple! Jason On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edumailto:jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hi everyone, We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-o n-enterprise-wireless-networks/ Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840tel:%28814%29%20865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665tel:%28814%29%20777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tim Cappalli cappa...@brandeis.edumailto:cappa...@brandeis.edu wrote: Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. image001.png Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edumailto:cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149tel:%28617%29%20701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:23 AM To:
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
The AppleTV doesn’t need to paired via bluetooth. What is necessary for bluetooth discovery. AppleTV: AppleTV 6.1 software update. You can install this through the updates menu. An active connection to a network. iPad: iOS 7.1 and an active network connection accessible to the AppleTV to verify connectivity. Bluetooth enabled. Once these two are met the AppleTV will be displayed the control center on the iPad for mirroring. I don’t know all the technical specifics of how the connection is made or how the bluetooth is sent and picked up by the iPad. Perhaps someone will pull it completely apart soon enough. Jason On Mar 12, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Matt Williams mcw...@bucknell.edu wrote: Has anyone else had an issue getting the iPad to pair with the AppleTV via BlueTooth? I've udpated both to the required versions, but they both just sit there spinning their wheels when trying to discover. Respectfully, Matthew Will Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: I’ve not seen anything in OSX yet, but I’ve not installed the very latest 10.9.3 update. I came across the bluetooth discovery in iOS when I was testing out the beta. It hasn’t gotten any hype and was hoping that it would be leaked so I could talk about before it was released. We talked about doing the same thing with Bluetooth LE, then held off since Apple was going to release it. On Mar 11, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Seems to be that way I can’t get my osx to see the apple tv but can see it from iOS 7.1 devices via Bluetooth. Here is different website with some screens of doing airplay via Bluetooth http://www.afp548.com/2014/03/10/hidden-airplay-feature-in-the-appletv-6-1-ios-7-1-update/ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I'll bet support in 10.9 will be in the next patch. I don't think Apple even mentions this new feature in the release notes. Jeff On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, in message 108be36f63e8cc4c8c84a5dce1c0d2a1b33c7...@exmbx07.ad.louisville.edu, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Have you been able to get an osx 10.9 to see the apple tv via Bluetooth? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Apple just released discovery over bluetooth in iOS 6.1. This is a major hurdle for most institutions as it no longer requires bonjour for discovery but instead relies on bluetooth. I've tested it and it works well. I wonder if they will add this support into OSX soon. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tv/news/apple-tv-61-update-brings-airplay-security-option-discovery-over-bluetooth-and-more-494249 This certainly doesn't invalidate our work on our Mirror App, but for some it may be the missing piece which we were also providing. Mirror will also allow you to use AirServer and provides a way to connect to AppleTVs from remote locations. Either way, it's about time Apple! Jason On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hi everyone, We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-o n-enterprise-wireless-networks/ Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tim Cappalli cappa...@brandeis.edu wrote: Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. image001.png Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:23 AM
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
What version of ipad are you using? I tried it with an ipad 2 running latest ios with apple tv 3rd gen with latest os and couldn't get it to find the apple tv via airplay. It does work with ipad 3 and above. Also you don't really pair the device, it just discovers the apple tv over bluetooth. --- Craig Pluchinsky IT Services Indiana University of Pennsylvania 724-357-3327 On Wed, 12 Mar 2014, Matt Williams wrote: Has anyone else had an issue getting the iPad to pair with the AppleTV via BlueTooth? I've udpated both to the required versions, but they both just sit there spinning their wheels when trying to discover. Respectfully, Matthew Will Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: I’ve not seen anything in OSX yet, but I’ve not installed the very latest 10.9.3 update. I came across the bluetooth discovery in iOS when I was testing out the beta. It hasn’t gotten any hype and was hoping that it would be leaked so I could talk about before it was released. We talked about doing the same thing with Bluetooth LE, then held off since Apple was going to release it. On Mar 11, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Seems to be that way I can’t get my osx to see the apple tv but can see it from iOS 7.1 devices via Bluetooth. Here is different website with some screens of doing airplay via Bluetooth http://www.afp548.com/2014/03/10/hidden-airplay-feature-in-the-appletv-6-1-ios-7-1-update/ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I'll bet support in 10.9 will be in the next patch. I don't think Apple even mentions this new feature in the release notes. Jeff On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, in message 108be36f63e8cc4c8c84a5dce1c0d2a1b33c7...@exmbx07.ad.louisville.edu, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Have you been able to get an osx 10.9 to see the apple tv via Bluetooth? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Apple just released discovery over bluetooth in iOS 6.1. This is a major hurdle for most institutions as it no longer requires bonjour for discovery but instead relies on bluetooth. I've tested it and it works well. I wonder if they will add this support into OSX soon. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tv/news/apple-tv-61-update-brings-airplay-security-option-discovery-over-bluetooth-and-more-494249 This certainly doesn't invalidate our work on our Mirror App, but for some it may be the missing piece which we were also providing. Mirror will also allow you to use AirServer and provides a way to connect to AppleTVs from remote locations. Either way, it's about time Apple! Jason On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hi everyone, We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-o n-enterprise-wireless-networks/ Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tim Cappalli cappa...@brandeis.edu wrote: Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. image001.png Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of James Andrewartha Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 10:23 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Hi Bruce, On 16/01/14 8:50 PM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) bosbo...@liberty.edu wrote: You said, Sure, I wish you could drop Apple
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Thanks for the information, everyone. I have an ipad2 and i don't even know what generation the appletv is (its a loaner from another department). I'll get my hands on a newer ipad and try again. Respectfully, Matthew Will Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Craig Pluchinsky cra...@iup.edu wrote: What version of ipad are you using? I tried it with an ipad 2 running latest ios with apple tv 3rd gen with latest os and couldn't get it to find the apple tv via airplay. It does work with ipad 3 and above. Also you don't really pair the device, it just discovers the apple tv over bluetooth. --- Craig Pluchinsky IT Services Indiana University of Pennsylvania 724-357-3327 On Wed, 12 Mar 2014, Matt Williams wrote: Has anyone else had an issue getting the iPad to pair with the AppleTV via BlueTooth? I've udpated both to the required versions, but they both just sit there spinning their wheels when trying to discover. Respectfully, Matthew Will Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: I've not seen anything in OSX yet, but I've not installed the very latest 10.9.3 update. I came across the bluetooth discovery in iOS when I was testing out the beta. It hasn't gotten any hype and was hoping that it would be leaked so I could talk about before it was released. We talked about doing the same thing with Bluetooth LE, then held off since Apple was going to release it. On Mar 11, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Seems to be that way I can't get my osx to see the apple tv but can see it from iOS 7.1 devices via Bluetooth. Here is different website with some screens of doing airplay via Bluetooth http://www.afp548.com/2014/03/10/hidden-airplay-feature-in- the-appletv-6-1-ios-7-1-update/ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Sessler Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:21 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I'll bet support in 10.9 will be in the next patch. I don't think Apple even mentions this new feature in the release notes. Jeff On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 at 11:13 AM, in message 108be36f63e8cc4c8c84a5dce1c0d2a1b33c7...@exmbx07.ad.louisville.edu, Hurt,Trenton W. trent.h...@louisville.edu wrote: Have you been able to get an osx 10.9 to see the apple tv via Bluetooth? -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jason Heffner Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:48 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Apple just released discovery over bluetooth in iOS 6.1. This is a major hurdle for most institutions as it no longer requires bonjour for discovery but instead relies on bluetooth. I've tested it and it works well. I wonder if they will add this support into OSX soon. http://gadgets.ndtv.com/tv/news/apple-tv-61-update- brings-airplay-security-option-discovery-over-bluetooth-and-more-494249 This certainly doesn't invalidate our work on our Mirror App, but for some it may be the missing piece which we were also providing. Mirror will also allow you to use AirServer and provides a way to connect to AppleTVs from remote locations. Either way, it's about time Apple! Jason On Jan 16, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: Hi everyone, We took a slightly different approach to solve our issue with the AppleTV specifically at Penn State. We do have a Doceri deployment but recently we have released a PSU Airplay iOS enterprise app to allow mirroring to AppleTVs w/o having bonjour enabled. Since I saw this topic come up I thought it was a good time to share. If interested you can find out more on a recent blog entry I wrote up on the specifics. http://sites.psu.edu/jasonheffner/2014/01/10/airplay-without-bonjour-o n-enterprise-wireless-networks/ Thanks, Jason p: (814) 865-1840, c: (814) 777-7665 Systems Administrator Teaching and Learning with Technology, Information Technology Services The Pennsylvania State University On Jan 16, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Tim Cappalli cappa...@brandeis.edu wrote: Yes, ClearPass and AirGroup allows a user to define up to 10 other users that can see their personal device. image001.png Tim Cappalli | ACCP / ACMP / CCNA Network Engineer | Brandeis University cappa...@brandeis.edu | (617) 701-7149 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:09:36 CDT, Jason Heffner jdh...@psu.edu wrote: AppleTV: AppleTV 6.1 software update. You can install this through the updates menu. An active connection to a network. iPad: iOS 7.1 and an active network connection accessible to the AppleTV to verify connectivity. Bluetooth enabled. I don’t think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I’m not exactly sure which revs do or don’t offhand unfortunately. -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:11:34 CDT, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: I don’t think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I’m not exactly sure which revs do or don’t offhand unfortunately. Another thing is that I would imagine that both the iOS device and the AppleTV need to be able to reach each other directly using unicast. So if the AppleTV is behind a NAT device with respect to the iOS device, or if you have somehow blocked unicast traffic between clients on your wireless network, you might be able to do the discovery via Bluetooh but not actually stream any traffic. -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
I can confirm that NAT does throw this for a loop. This morning I tried connecting my iPhone 5S that was behind a NAT device to an AppleTV on the other side. I could see the AppleTV in the AirPlay list, I could select it but then it wouldn't complete the mirroring. It would just default back to the iPhone option. I did a packet capture and found that the AppleTV was trying to open up a UDP stream to my iPhone, presumably for audio, and the NAT device was not letting the UDP packet in. Apparently if the UDP stream doesn't get established, the devices will just give up. -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 3/12/14, 4:14 PM, Julian Y Koh wrote: On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:11:34 CDT, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: I don’t think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I’m not exactly sure which revs do or don’t offhand unfortunately. Another thing is that I would imagine that both the iOS device and the AppleTV need to be able to reach each other directly using unicast. So if the AppleTV is behind a NAT device with respect to the iOS device, or if you have somehow blocked unicast traffic between clients on your wireless network, you might be able to do the discovery via Bluetooh but not actually stream any traffic. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
I’ve found the bluetooth discovery doesn’t work if the iPad can’t see the AppleTV over unicast. It must make a call to check connectivity after getting the bluetooth broadcast. On Mar 12, 2014, at 4:14 PM, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:11:34 CDT, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: I don’t think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I’m not exactly sure which revs do or don’t offhand unfortunately. Another thing is that I would imagine that both the iOS device and the AppleTV need to be able to reach each other directly using unicast. So if the AppleTV is behind a NAT device with respect to the iOS device, or if you have somehow blocked unicast traffic between clients on your wireless network, you might be able to do the discovery via Bluetooh but not actually stream any traffic. -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
Thanks. We don't have any NAT in the way and I can ping the AppleTV from the iPad. Respectfully, Matthew Will Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Dan Brisson dbris...@uvm.edu wrote: I can confirm that NAT does throw this for a loop. This morning I tried connecting my iPhone 5S that was behind a NAT device to an AppleTV on the other side. I could see the AppleTV in the AirPlay list, I could select it but then it wouldn't complete the mirroring. It would just default back to the iPhone option. I did a packet capture and found that the AppleTV was trying to open up a UDP stream to my iPhone, presumably for audio, and the NAT device was not letting the UDP packet in. Apparently if the UDP stream doesn't get established, the devices will just give up. -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 3/12/14, 4:14 PM, Julian Y Koh wrote: On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:11:34 CDT, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: I don't think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I'm not exactly sure which revs do or don't offhand unfortunately. Another thing is that I would imagine that both the iOS device and the AppleTV need to be able to reach each other directly using unicast. So if the AppleTV is behind a NAT device with respect to the iOS device, or if you have somehow blocked unicast traffic between clients on your wireless network, you might be able to do the discovery via Bluetooh but not actually stream any traffic. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
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Anyone doing Bonjour and Cisco FlexConnect
HI All I've been doing some reading on Bonjour and trying to figure out how to make it work in our environment. Background: - We have 6 different campuses all connected over private layer-3 WAN - Plan is to have central controllers in our data center, and have APs at the campuses be connected via FlexConnect configuration, so we can locally switch the vlans as opposed to backhauling them across the WAN - Dynamic vlan assignment for the users. - Using Cisco 5508's with 7.6 code From what I can tell, the Bonjour workarounds are not supported with FlexConnect? What are others doing in this scenario? Any advice is appreciated Thanks Matt New Brunswick Community College ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aerohive
We deployed Aerohive a year and a half ago and currently have 200+ AP's. We have had a very positive experience with Aerohive and would be more than willing to discuss our implementation. Harry Zahlis Network Coordinator Fresno City College -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Norman Elton Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:36 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aerohive We have ~1400 Aerohive APs and have been a customer since early 2009. I'm happy to talk to folks about our experience, and would love to talk to other large .edu deployments. Email and we can setup a time. Norman Elton College of William Mary wne...@wm.edu / 757-221-7790 On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 9:09 PM, LaMarr Baucom gbau...@murraystate.edu wrote: I just purchased 205 Aerohive APs, for two of our dorms and our on Campus Apartments. I am purchasing another 40, for another dorm in about a month, and hopefully an additional 150 before June for 5 more of our dorms. At the beginning of the fiscal year, I would like to replace the remaining APs in our dorms. I have been looking at Aerohive for about two years now and have talked in depth with 3 Higher Ed's and many others from various sects that are very pleased. We were a complete Cisco shop up until this point, but I plan on splitting that and keeping our Campus side on Cisco and using the non EOL APs and WiSM2 from the dorms on the Campus side. The only thing that has kept me from switching sooner is having to support two wireless systems, but we had some funding so it made since. Various reasons played apart in making the switch. 1) Cisco licensing (there are no extra licensing costs with Aerohive). For example Layer 7 visibility is available out of the box. You don't run into the Cisco licensing problems where you have to purchase licenses for the WLC and PI, as well as having to purchase the AVC, Clean Air, MSE, ISE, extra PI licenses. 2) Cisco's 7.4x code has been a nightmare for us. PI hasn't been much better 3) The timing was right with replacing the remaining EOL APs in the dorms, and we also need to replace some on the Campus side so we will just use the newer APs from the dorms on the Campus side, as we deploy more Aerohive gear. Note: The per AP costs are about the same so this was not a factor in our decision. If I had one complaint about the Aerohive stuff (if you would call this a complaint) it would be that you can do so much with the system, that it makes doing minor changes a little more difficult than in the Cisco world. I do have contact info for a University that has been an Aerohive customer for over 5 years and has over 1000 APs. He told me he doesn't mind me giving out his contact info as a reference. Email me directly if you would like his info (he is not a member of this listserv). Let me know if you have any questions. LaMarr Baucom Wireless Network Engineer Murray State University (270) 809-2299 lamarr.bau...@murraystate.edu MSU Information Systems staff will never ask for your password or other confidential information via email. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Glassman, Stephen sglass...@choate.edu wrote: Please keep this public or at least leave your contact info if you run Aerohive Thanks, Steve -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Eklund Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 7:27 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Aerohive If any of you have a large installation of Aerohive I'd like to talk with you privately about your experiences. Thanks -- Daniel Eklund Network Planning Manager ITS Communications Systems and Data Centers University of Michigan 734.763.6389 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi
One thing about application adoption is that you don't want to have to force the network to change if you want mass adoption. Better to design the application around the existing network paradigms. Frank -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 7:51 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi Yah, or the router vendors will need to do some fancy inspection to watch for the initial TCP connection that gets made so it knows to let the UDP connection back in. Like for FTP and the other protocols that behave in a similar manner. -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 3/12/14, 8:21 PM, Frank Bulk wrote: Interesting. I wonder if Apple could address that NAT issue by sending the traffic from the opposite direction, essentially punching a hole in the NAT so that bi-directional communication could be established. Frank -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Brisson Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:20 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Apple TV display mirroring spectrum use in HD wifi I can confirm that NAT does throw this for a loop. This morning I tried connecting my iPhone 5S that was behind a NAT device to an AppleTV on the other side. I could see the AppleTV in the AirPlay list, I could select it but then it wouldn't complete the mirroring. It would just default back to the iPhone option. I did a packet capture and found that the AppleTV was trying to open up a UDP stream to my iPhone, presumably for audio, and the NAT device was not letting the UDP packet in. Apparently if the UDP stream doesn't get established, the devices will just give up. -dan Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 3/12/14, 4:14 PM, Julian Y Koh wrote: On Wed Mar 12 2014 15:11:34 CDT, Julian Y Koh kohs...@northwestern.edu wrote: I don't think that all AppleTV units have Bluetooth. I'm not exactly sure which revs do or don't offhand unfortunately. Another thing is that I would imagine that both the iOS device and the AppleTV need to be able to reach each other directly using unicast. So if the AppleTV is behind a NAT device with respect to the iOS device, or if you have somehow blocked unicast traffic between clients on your wireless network, you might be able to do the discovery via Bluetooh but not actually stream any traffic. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
