Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi
Or, you can look at that as being harmful interference. Since your users will attempt to connect to the wrong network, it will disrupt your users' valid use of your network, harming your users. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:54:41PM +, Thomas Carter wrote: I see no exemption for that type of issue. The FCC rulings seem to be about use of frequency for communication, not the protocol details (unless the protocol prevents the communications as in this case). Additionally, who owns the SSID name? The FCC sees all users as the same, so I suspect you have no more right to the SSID than the user does. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Y Koh Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:47 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi On Wed Feb 11 2015 09:22:55 CST, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.com wrote: Thought my recent interview with head of wireless for Partners Healthcare might be of interest re: the FCC de-authing discussion http://www.networkworld.com/article/2881540/careers/how-not-to-get-sla mmed-by-the-fcc-for-wi-fi-blocking.html One thing that I haven't seen mentioned (or it's just as likely that I missed it) is the situation where a user's AP is configured to broadcast the same network name as one of our SSIDs. Is there justification to use deauth as a protective measure in those cases? -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi
HI Bob, Good piece, I thought this was his best quote captured: In the real world, Wi-Fi operates under the laws of physics and is neither limitless, nor perfect. Designing wireless systems, especially Wi-Fi, requires optimizing trade-offs in coverage, capacity, speed, security, complexity, reliability and affordability I can't tell you how many meetings in I am in where I have to continuously explain this to people. Thanks for shining a light on this topic with your story. Chad Chad D Burnham Director of Telecommunications University Technology Services University of Denver 2100 S. High St. #106 Denver, CO 80208 Desk Phone: 303-871-4441 Mobile Phone: 303-520-5657 [UniversityTechnologyServices_Signature] From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Brown Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 8:23 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi Thought my recent interview with head of wireless for Partners Healthcare might be of interest re: the FCC de-authing discussion http://www.networkworld.com/article/2881540/careers/how-not-to-get-slammed-by-the-fcc-for-wi-fi-blocking.html Bob Brown Online Executive Editor, News T: 508.766.5418 LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbrownboston | Twitter: @alphadoggshttps://twitter.com/alphadoggs | Facebook profilehttps://www.facebook.com/NetworkWorld | Google + profilehttps://plus.google.com/104712908618368674642/posts | Instagramhttp://instagram.com/nwwinstagram NETWORK WORLD 492 Old Connecticut Path | PO Box 9002 | Framingham, MA 01701-9002 NetworkWorld.comhttp://www.networkworld.com | Media Kithttp://www.networkworldmediakit.com | Conferences Eventshttp://events.networkworld.com An IDG Enterprisehttp://www.idgenterprise.com/ Brand From: Mike Howard mi...@berkeley.edumailto:mi...@berkeley.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:52 PM To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi The FCC specifically exempted university dormitories from the OTARD rules. I believe we can prohibit the installation of antennas in dorm rooms, but not family housing apartments. https://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule http://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Orders/1998/fcc98273.pdf https://net.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/EPO0414.pdf On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edumailto:f...@wpi.edu wrote: If we were to impose that on student residents, why couldn't Marriott do the same to hotel and conference guests? On January 28, 2015 11:05:53 AM EST, Hunter Fuller hf0...@uah.edumailto:hf0...@uah.edu wrote: You can't deauth the users, but you can make one of the requirements for living in the dorms don't put up a hotspot. (I assume this is where most of us see problems.) -- Hunter Fuller Network Engineer VBRH M-9B +1 256 824 5331tel:%2B1%20256%20824%205331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Systems and Infrastructure I am part of the UAH Safe Zone LGBTQIA support network: http://www.uah.edu/student-affairs/safe-zone On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edumailto:c...@wpi.edu wrote: What if our users see this news and start pushing back on bringing their own Wi-Fi to campus? If we have to allow it, and the WLAN becomes unusable due to all the overlappi! ng channel 2 and channel 5 devices etc., what do we tell our users and the administration? Sorry, the FCC says we can't force these users to abstain from using their own Wi-Fi devices, even if they interfere. That's the problem with FCC Part 15--must accept interference from other sources. The best we can do is nicely ask them to change channels... ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Setting up iPads with Apple Configurator- process breaking on 802.1X WLAN
Hello Group, I have a very sharp Apple support homey on campus that is trying to configure a cart full of iPads that will (hopefully) reconfigure after every use using Apple Configurator and an MDM. It doesn't matter if the MDM is on campus or in the cloud, the results of the Configurator are very inconsistent when 1x network is in use, but reliable on an open network. Even though 1x auth is happening very fast, the iPads try once to reach MDM often before 1x auth has finished, then just gives up. The result is that the iPads configure fine, and get on the 1x network. But then never try again to reach the MDM environment (this all has to do with Apple's AVP stuff). It feels like the Configurator is just written poorly. Has anyone else gone down this road yet? -Lee Lee Badman Wireless/Network Architect ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 (Blog: http://wirednot.wordpress.com) ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi
Yup, but then the FCC would be the agency of enforcement, not us. Ryan H Turner Senior Network Engineer The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill CB 1150 Chapel Hill, NC 27599 +1 919 445 0113 Office +1 919 274 7926 Mobile -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 11:31 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi Or, you can look at that as being harmful interference. Since your users will attempt to connect to the wrong network, it will disrupt your users' valid use of your network, harming your users. On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:54:41PM +, Thomas Carter wrote: I see no exemption for that type of issue. The FCC rulings seem to be about use of frequency for communication, not the protocol details (unless the protocol prevents the communications as in this case). Additionally, who owns the SSID name? The FCC sees all users as the same, so I suspect you have no more right to the SSID than the user does. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Y Koh Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:47 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi On Wed Feb 11 2015 09:22:55 CST, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.com wrote: Thought my recent interview with head of wireless for Partners Healthcare might be of interest re: the FCC de-authing discussion http://www.networkworld.com/article/2881540/careers/how-not-to-get-s la mmed-by-the-fcc-for-wi-fi-blocking.html One thing that I haven't seen mentioned (or it's just as likely that I missed it) is the situation where a user's AP is configured to broadcast the same network name as one of our SSIDs. Is there justification to use deauth as a protective measure in those cases? -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi
Thanks Bob! Great insight into the FCC and the wifi spectrum use. Mike On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.com wrote: Thought my recent interview with head of wireless for Partners Healthcare might be of interest re: the FCC de-authing discussion http://www.networkworld.com/article/2881540/careers/how-not-to-get-slammed-by-the-fcc-for-wi-fi-blocking.html *Bob Brown* Online Executive Editor, News T: 508.766.5418 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbrownboston | Twitter: @alphadoggs https://twitter.com/alphadoggs | Facebook profile https://www.facebook.com/NetworkWorld | Google + profile https://plus.google.com/104712908618368674642/posts | Instagram http://instagram.com/nwwinstagram *NETWORK* *WORLD* 492 Old Connecticut Path | PO Box 9002 | Framingham, MA 01701-9002 NetworkWorld.com http://www.networkworld.com | Media Kit http://www.networkworldmediakit.com | Conferences Events http://events.networkworld.com An IDG Enterprise http://www.idgenterprise.com/ Brand From: Mike Howard mi...@berkeley.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:52 PM To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi The FCC specifically exempted university dormitories from the OTARD rules. I believe we can prohibit the installation of antennas in dorm rooms, but not family housing apartments. https://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule http://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Orders/1998/fcc98273.pdf https://net.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/EPO0414.pdf On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edu wrote: If we were to impose that on student residents, why couldn't Marriott do the same to hotel and conference guests? On January 28, 2015 11:05:53 AM EST, Hunter Fuller hf0...@uah.edu wrote: You can't deauth the users, but you can make one of the requirements for living in the dorms don't put up a hotspot. (I assume this is where most of us see problems.) -- Hunter Fuller Network Engineer VBRH M-9B +1 256 824 5331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Systems and Infrastructure I am part of the UAH Safe Zone LGBTQIA support network: http://www.uah.edu/student-affairs/safe-zone On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote: What if our users see this news and start pushing back on bringing their own Wi-Fi to campus? If we have to allow it, and the WLAN becomes unusable due to all the overlappi! ng channel 2 and channel 5 devices etc., what do we tell our users and the administration? Sorry, the FCC says we can't force these users to abstain from using their own Wi-Fi devices, even if they interfere. That's the problem with FCC Part 15--“must accept interference from other sources”. The best we can do is nicely ask them to change channels... ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. -- Michael Sjulstad -RML 258 Network/Electronics Engineer Information Technology St. Olaf College Northfield, MN 55057 Ph: 507-786-3835 Email: sjuls...@stolaf.edu ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi
I'm wondering if it would be prudent for us to use a copyrighted name as part of any SSID we setup. Then if anyone else uses the same name we can go after them under copyright violation. Or we look at getting our current SSIDs copyrighted. We use Wildcat Wireless as our primary SSID but Wildcat is not copyrighted. If we use Penn College Wireless, Penn College is copyrighted and no one but us can use that name. And we have the ubiquitous guest SSID which gives people no indication that it is even ours. Are domain names protected? If we used wildcats.pct.edu or guest.pct.edu would we be able to tell anyone who might put up their own AP and use xx.pct.edu that they have to take it down? Mike Cunningham VP of Information Technology Services/CIO Pennsylvania College of Technology -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Y Koh Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:47 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi On Wed Feb 11 2015 09:22:55 CST, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.com wrote: Thought my recent interview with head of wireless for Partners Healthcare might be of interest re: the FCC de-authing discussion http://www.networkworld.com/article/2881540/careers/how-not-to-get-sla mmed-by-the-fcc-for-wi-fi-blocking.html One thing that I haven't seen mentioned (or it's just as likely that I missed it) is the situation where a user's AP is configured to broadcast the same network name as one of our SSIDs. Is there justification to use deauth as a protective measure in those cases? -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi
Excellent piece, Bob. Thanks very much for sharing. Lee Badman Wireless/Network Architect ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 (Blog: http://wirednot.wordpress.com) From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Brown Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:23 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi Thought my recent interview with head of wireless for Partners Healthcare might be of interest re: the FCC de-authing discussion http://www.networkworld.com/article/2881540/careers/how-not-to-get-slammed-by-the-fcc-for-wi-fi-blocking.html Bob Brown Online Executive Editor, News T: 508.766.5418 LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbrownboston | Twitter: @alphadoggshttps://twitter.com/alphadoggs | Facebook profilehttps://www.facebook.com/NetworkWorld | Google + profilehttps://plus.google.com/104712908618368674642/posts | Instagramhttp://instagram.com/nwwinstagram NETWORK WORLD 492 Old Connecticut Path | PO Box 9002 | Framingham, MA 01701-9002 NetworkWorld.comhttp://www.networkworld.com | Media Kithttp://www.networkworldmediakit.com | Conferences Eventshttp://events.networkworld.com An IDG Enterprisehttp://www.idgenterprise.com/ Brand From: Mike Howard mi...@berkeley.edumailto:mi...@berkeley.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:52 PM To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi The FCC specifically exempted university dormitories from the OTARD rules. I believe we can prohibit the installation of antennas in dorm rooms, but not family housing apartments. https://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule http://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Orders/1998/fcc98273.pdf https://net.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/EPO0414.pdf On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edumailto:f...@wpi.edu wrote: If we were to impose that on student residents, why couldn't Marriott do the same to hotel and conference guests? On January 28, 2015 11:05:53 AM EST, Hunter Fuller hf0...@uah.edumailto:hf0...@uah.edu wrote: You can't deauth the users, but you can make one of the requirements for living in the dorms don't put up a hotspot. (I assume this is where most of us see problems.) -- Hunter Fuller Network Engineer VBRH M-9B +1 256 824 5331tel:%2B1%20256%20824%205331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Systems and Infrastructure I am part of the UAH Safe Zone LGBTQIA support network: http://www.uah.edu/student-affairs/safe-zone On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edumailto:c...@wpi.edu wrote: What if our users see this news and start pushing back on bringing their own Wi-Fi to campus? If we have to allow it, and the WLAN becomes unusable due to all the overlappi! ng channel 2 and channel 5 devices etc., what do we tell our users and the administration? Sorry, the FCC says we can't force these users to abstain from using their own Wi-Fi devices, even if they interfere. That's the problem with FCC Part 15--must accept interference from other sources. The best we can do is nicely ask them to change channels... ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi
On Wed Feb 11 2015 09:22:55 CST, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.com wrote: Thought my recent interview with head of wireless for Partners Healthcare might be of interest re: the FCC de-authing discussion http://www.networkworld.com/article/2881540/careers/how-not-to-get-slammed-by-the-fcc-for-wi-fi-blocking.html One thing that I haven’t seen mentioned (or it’s just as likely that I missed it) is the situation where a user’s AP is configured to broadcast the same network name as one of our SSIDs. Is there justification to use deauth as a protective measure in those cases? -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi
+1 Dan Brisson Network Engineer University of Vermont (Ph) 802.656.8111 dbris...@uvm.edu On 2/11/2015 10:32 AM, Lee H Badman wrote: Excellent piece, Bob. Thanks very much for sharing. Lee Badman Wireless/Network Architect ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 (Blog: http://wirednot.wordpress.com) *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Bob Brown *Sent:* Wednesday, February 11, 2015 10:23 AM *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi Thought my recent interview with head of wireless for Partners Healthcare might be of interest re: the FCC de-authing discussion http://www.networkworld.com/article/2881540/careers/how-not-to-get-slammed-by-the-fcc-for-wi-fi-blocking.html *Bob Brown* Online Executive Editor, News T: 508.766.5418 LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/bobbrownboston| Twitter: @alphadoggs https://twitter.com/alphadoggs | Facebook profile https://www.facebook.com/NetworkWorld | Google + profile https://plus.google.com/104712908618368674642/posts | Instagram http://instagram.com/nwwinstagram *NETWORKWORLD* 492 Old Connecticut Path | PO Box 9002 | Framingham, MA 01701-9002 NetworkWorld.com http://www.networkworld.com| Media Kit http://www.networkworldmediakit.com| Conferences Events http://events.networkworld.com An IDG Enterprise http://www.idgenterprise.com/Brand *From: *Mike Howard mi...@berkeley.edu mailto:mi...@berkeley.edu *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Date: *Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 12:52 PM *To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi The FCC specifically exempted university dormitories from the OTARD rules. I believe we can prohibit the installation of antennas in dorm rooms, but not family housing apartments. https://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule http://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Orders/1998/fcc98273.pdf https://net.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/EPO0414.pdf On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Frank Sweetser f...@wpi.edu mailto:f...@wpi.edu wrote: If we were to impose that on student residents, why couldn't Marriott do the same to hotel and conference guests? On January 28, 2015 11:05:53 AM EST, Hunter Fuller hf0...@uah.edu mailto:hf0...@uah.edu wrote: You can't deauth the users, but you can make one of the requirements for living in the dorms don't put up a hotspot. (I assume this is where most of us see problems.) -- Hunter Fuller Network Engineer VBRH M-9B +1 256 824 5331 tel:%2B1%20256%20824%205331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Systems and Infrastructure I am part of the UAH Safe Zone LGBTQIA support network: http://www.uah.edu/student-affairs/safe-zone On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu mailto:c...@wpi.edu wrote: What if our users see this news and start pushing back on bringing their own Wi-Fi to campus? If we have to allow it, and the WLAN becomes unusable due to all the overlappi! ng channel 2 and channel 5 devices etc., what do we tell our users and the administration? Sorry, the FCC says we can't force these users to abstain from using their own Wi-Fi devices, even if they interfere. That's the problem with FCC Part 15--“must accept interference from other sources”. The best we can do is nicely ask them to change channels... ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi
I see no exemption for that type of issue. The FCC rulings seem to be about use of frequency for communication, not the protocol details (unless the protocol prevents the communications as in this case). Additionally, who owns the SSID name? The FCC sees all users as the same, so I suspect you have no more right to the SSID than the user does. Thomas Carter Network and Operations Manager Austin College 903-813-2564 -Original Message- From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Y Koh Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:47 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] latest from FCC on de-authing Mi-Fi On Wed Feb 11 2015 09:22:55 CST, Bob Brown bbr...@nww.com wrote: Thought my recent interview with head of wireless for Partners Healthcare might be of interest re: the FCC de-authing discussion http://www.networkworld.com/article/2881540/careers/how-not-to-get-sla mmed-by-the-fcc-for-wi-fi-blocking.html One thing that I haven't seen mentioned (or it's just as likely that I missed it) is the situation where a user's AP is configured to broadcast the same network name as one of our SSIDs. Is there justification to use deauth as a protective measure in those cases? -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
