RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] chargeback for WiFi calling [was: WIFI calling on iPhones with AT]

2016-01-20 Thread Peter T Murphy 
Related, but different: what we are discussing here is how we can build or 
reinforce our infrastructure so that the telcos can avoid investing in better 
infrastructure (e.g. DAS in our buildings).  Has anyone investigated getting 
investment from the telcos for what we are doing here?

I understand that the students, faculty & staff are our csurtomers, but our 
customers are paying the telcos for service, which we are helping them to 
provide.  Where is my cut?

Are there regulatory reasons why we cannot, or should not?


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter P Morrissey
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:27 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIFI calling on iPhones with AT

And really, what would be the point of doing QOS in this case when 99% of the 
end to end connection is out of your control?

Pete Morrissey

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[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Eklund
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:49 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIFI calling on iPhones with AT

No, we do not implement QoS for any network functions.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Oliver Elliott 
> wrote:
Are you guys using any WiFi QoS to support this?

On 18 January 2016 at 13:30, Daniel Eklund 
> wrote:
We promote the use of WiFi calling hopefully this gets us out of having to 
install separate DAS systems for cellular.

http://www.itcom.itd.umich.edu/cellular/wifi-calling.php

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Julian Y Koh 
> wrote:
On Fri Jan 15 2016 10:14:13 CST, "Becker, Jason" 
> wrote:
>
> Is anyone promoting using the wifi option for making calls on iphones6 or 
> better cell phones with AT?

Yes, along with the Wi-Fi calling options from the other carriers as well.

>
> If so how are you dealing with E911?

The different carriers deal with this in different ways.  At least in AT's 
case they ask the user to register an address to be used, and IIRC they also 
will prefer the cellular network for any 911 calls.  But I wouldn't place too 
much stock in my recollection to be authoritative.

Of related interest to us is collecting technical information/documentation on 
how the different carriers actually implement Wi-Fi calling in terms of what 
DNS lookups they do, what IP ranges they use to establish their VPN 
connections, etc etc.



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Northwestern Information Technology

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IT Services
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIFI calling on iPhones with AT

2016-01-20 Thread Peter P Morrissey 
And really, what would be the point of doing QOS in this case when 99% of the 
end to end connection is out of your control?

Pete Morrissey

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Eklund
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 8:49 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIFI calling on iPhones with AT

No, we do not implement QoS for any network functions.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 8:33 AM, Oliver Elliott 
> wrote:
Are you guys using any WiFi QoS to support this?

On 18 January 2016 at 13:30, Daniel Eklund 
> wrote:
We promote the use of WiFi calling hopefully this gets us out of having to 
install separate DAS systems for cellular.

http://www.itcom.itd.umich.edu/cellular/wifi-calling.php

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Julian Y Koh 
> wrote:
On Fri Jan 15 2016 10:14:13 CST, "Becker, Jason" 
> wrote:
>
> Is anyone promoting using the wifi option for making calls on iphones6 or 
> better cell phones with AT?

Yes, along with the Wi-Fi calling options from the other carriers as well.

>
> If so how are you dealing with E911?

The different carriers deal with this in different ways.  At least in AT's 
case they ask the user to register an address to be used, and IIRC they also 
will prefer the cellular network for any 911 calls.  But I wouldn't place too 
much stock in my recollection to be authoritative.

Of related interest to us is collecting technical information/documentation on 
how the different carriers actually implement Wi-Fi calling in terms of what 
DNS lookups they do, what IP ranges they use to establish their VPN 
connections, etc etc.



--
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
Evanston, IL 60208
847-467-5780
NUIT Web Site: 
PGP Public Key:

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Daniel Eklund
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ITS/CSDC
734-763-6389
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--
Oliver Elliott
Senior Network Specialist
IT Services
University of Bristol
e: oliver.elli...@bristol.ac.uk
t: 0117 39 (41131)
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIFI calling on iPhones with AT

2016-01-20 Thread Julian Y Koh 
On Wed Jan 20 2016 10:27:21 CST, Peter P Morrissey  wrote:
> 
> And really, what would be the point of doing QOS in this case when 99% of the 
> end to end connection is out of your control?
> 

I think when it comes to voice services, there is some merit to being able to 
implement some kind of control where possible and easy to do.  For example, 
Aruba has had the capability to prioritize MS Lync voice/video traffic with a 
very easy checkbox for quite some time now.  Assuming that the feature works 
the way it's supposed to in a given environment, to me it's an easy win to just 
turn it on and reduce the potential headache. 

Looking forward, again assuming (I know I'm making a ton of assumptions here) 
that the Wi-Fi calling traffic for different carriers can be similarly well 
characterized and thus prioritized, we'd definitely be interested in seeing how 
well the different vendors can actually implement this.

-- 
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
Evanston, IL 60208
847-467-5780
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WIFI calling on iPhones with AT

2016-01-20 Thread Julian Y Koh 
On Mon Jan 18 2016 06:25:32 CST, "Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services)" 
 wrote:
> 
> Do you have any links or other information to share? We are not currently 
> doing anything for Wi-Fi calling.

We don't have anything publicly available just yet, but Wi-Fi calling is going 
to be an integral part of our strategic cellular service plan for the campus 
(hopefully to be published in the next few months).  With carriers not 
investing in interior DAS arrangements like they used to be, Wi-Fi is going to 
play an integral role in providing cellular service to many of our 
reception-challenged areas.  


-- 
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
Evanston, IL 60208
847-467-5780
NUIT Web Site: 
PGP Public Key:

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