Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

[Hunter Fuller]

Yes, we are attempting this strategy, but so far the rejoicing has been
more limited than one might hope. Will let everyone know if that changes.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 21:10 Ian Lyons  wrote:

> My $.02
>
> You need both bands.  Build out your network for 5.0 ghz range circles
> around an AP (with some over lap) using a program to map out the wifi space
> and turn off extraneous 2.4 radios
>
> Balance is achieved, users can connect on almost every device and there
> will be rejoicing  in the land.
>
> Okay, maybe not the last part.
>
> Ian Lyons
> Network Engineer
> Rollins College
>
> Get Outlook for Android
>
> --
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Jake Snyder <
> jsnyde...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 6, 2017 9:20:11 PM
>
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5
> One thing I like in your design is the 5GHz only and dual band.  So many
> people try a 5GHz only and a 2.4Ghz only and it backfires on them.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 6, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Jason Cook  wrote:
>
> We have a dedicated 5ghz SSID but it’s in addition to our standard which
> is not ideal… too many SSID’s doing the same thing
>
> So our dot1x auth’s are
>
> UofA (2.4&5)
>
> UofA 5ghz (5 only)
>
> eduroam (2.4 & 5)
>
>
>
> We still see plenty of brand new devices on 2.4 only and I was helping a
> student recently who grabbed an old laptop out of hard rubbish. So we are
> stuck with making them work but in doing so we see 5ghz capable devices
> sitting on 2.4 which isn’t so good. The extra SSID was fired up as a test
> and worked, so got stuck there but we  still don’t classify it under our
> production since it’s poorly named.
>
>
>
> For end of year I’m proposing the removal of “UofA 5ghz” and making “UofA”
> a 5ghz only SSID with eduroam covering both 5 and 2.4. Our users get the
> same service on eduroam anyway as they would on our branded SSID(ip
> connectivity wise).
>
>
>
> A few years back I posted a discussion about this where we were
> considering something similar but having a 2.4ghz only network as
> UofA-legacy or the 5ghz network as UofA-Premium etc. since the current
> “UofA 5ghz” is technical and users don’t know what it means.  We never got
> to a point where we were fully happy with the plan but in general we
> preferred the idea that if your 2.4ghz only you go on something called
> legacy to help drive the idea that they would ideally not use such a
> device.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jason Cook
>
> Technology Services
>
> The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
>
> Ph: +61 8 8313 4800
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> ] *On Behalf Of *Casey Feskens
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 March 2017 4:58 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5
>
>
>
> We are currently using a 5GHz only SSID (as well as 2.4) and have been
> trying to encourage students to use it. We recently conducted a survey of
> wireless performance and asked questions about why people were using 2.4
> networks vs. 5GHz. A surprising number of students replied that their
> devices could not see the 5GHz SSID.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Hunter Fuller  wrote:
>
> Similarly, we haven't looked at it. You can walk into Best Buy today and
> walk out with a brand new laptop with no 5GHz wireless.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:13 PM Jeffrey D. Sessler <
> j...@scrippscollege.edu> wrote:
>
> I don’t think there is a way to get away from 2.4 yet in EDU. For example,
> while most would install high-density 5GHz in every residential room, it’s
> likely cost-prohibitive to accomplish the same in hallways and other areas
> that devices transit but don’t linger. As such, 2.4 is still important for
> “in flight” devices.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of "Oliver, Jeff" <
> jeff.oli...@uleth.ca>
> *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:42 AM
> *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5
>
>
>
> Folks, just wondering how many PSI’s have successfully turned off your 2.4
> and gone 5GHz only? And how much blowback?
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
> Jeffrey L. Oliver
>
> Manager, Network and Telecommunications
>
> Information Technology Services
>
> The University of Lethbridge
>
> 4401 University Drive, Lethbridge, Alberta, T1K 3M4
>
>
>
> Tel: 403.329.5162 <(403)%20329-5162>
>
> Mob: 403.315.4461 <(403)%20315-4461>
>
>
>
> URI:   jeff.oli...@uleth.ca
>
> Web:http://www.uleth.ca/information-technology/
> 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

[Ian Lyons]

My $.02

You need both bands.  Build out your network for 5.0 ghz range circles around 
an AP (with some over lap) using a program to map out the wifi space and turn 
off extraneous 2.4 radios

Balance is achieved, users can connect on almost every device and there will be 
rejoicing  in the land.

Okay, maybe not the last part.

Ian Lyons
Network Engineer
Rollins College

Get Outlook for Android



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Jake Snyder 

Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 9:20:11 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

One thing I like in your design is the 5GHz only and dual band.  So many people 
try a 5GHz only and a 2.4Ghz only and it backfires on them.



Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 6, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Jason Cook 
mailto:jason.c...@adelaide.edu.au>> wrote:

We have a dedicated 5ghz SSID but it’s in addition to our standard which is not 
ideal… too many SSID’s doing the same thing
So our dot1x auth’s are
UofA (2.4&5)
UofA 5ghz (5 only)
eduroam (2.4 & 5)

We still see plenty of brand new devices on 2.4 only and I was helping a 
student recently who grabbed an old laptop out of hard rubbish. So we are stuck 
with making them work but in doing so we see 5ghz capable devices sitting on 
2.4 which isn’t so good. The extra SSID was fired up as a test and worked, so 
got stuck there but we  still don’t classify it under our production since it’s 
poorly named.

For end of year I’m proposing the removal of “UofA 5ghz” and making “UofA” a 
5ghz only SSID with eduroam covering both 5 and 2.4. Our users get the same 
service on eduroam anyway as they would on our branded SSID(ip connectivity 
wise).

A few years back I posted a discussion about this where we were considering 
something similar but having a 2.4ghz only network as UofA-legacy or the 5ghz 
network as UofA-Premium etc. since the current “UofA 5ghz” is technical and 
users don’t know what it means.  We never got to a point where we were fully 
happy with the plan but in general we preferred the idea that if your 2.4ghz 
only you go on something called legacy to help drive the idea that they would 
ideally not use such a device.


--
Jason Cook
Technology Services
The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
Ph: +61 8 8313 4800

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Casey Feskens
Sent: Tuesday, 7 March 2017 4:58 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

We are currently using a 5GHz only SSID (as well as 2.4) and have been trying 
to encourage students to use it. We recently conducted a survey of wireless 
performance and asked questions about why people were using 2.4 networks vs. 
5GHz. A surprising number of students replied that their devices could not see 
the 5GHz SSID.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Hunter Fuller 
mailto:hf0...@uah.edu>> wrote:
Similarly, we haven't looked at it. You can walk into Best Buy today and walk 
out with a brand new laptop with no 5GHz wireless.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:13 PM Jeffrey D. Sessler 
mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote:
I don’t think there is a way to get away from 2.4 yet in EDU. For example, 
while most would install high-density 5GHz in every residential room, it’s 
likely cost-prohibitive to accomplish the same in hallways and other areas that 
devices transit but don’t linger. As such, 2.4 is still important for “in 
flight” devices.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of "Oliver, Jeff" mailto:jeff.oli...@uleth.ca>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:42 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

Folks, just wondering how many PSI’s have successfully turned off your 2.4 and 
gone 5GHz only? And how much blowback?


Cheers,
Jeff

---

Jeffrey L. Oliver
Manager, Network and Telecommunications
Information Technology Services
The University of Lethbridge
4401 University Drive, Lethbridge, Alberta, T1K 3M4

Tel: 403.329.5162
Mob: 403.315.4461

URI:   jeff.oli...@uleth.ca
Web:
http://www.uleth.ca/information-technology/

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

[Jake Snyder]

One thing I like in your design is the 5GHz only and dual band.  So many people 
try a 5GHz only and a 2.4Ghz only and it backfires on them.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 6, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Jason Cook  wrote:
> 
> We have a dedicated 5ghz SSID but it’s in addition to our standard which is 
> not ideal… too many SSID’s doing the same thing
> So our dot1x auth’s are
> UofA (2.4&5)
> UofA 5ghz (5 only)
> eduroam (2.4 & 5)
>  
> We still see plenty of brand new devices on 2.4 only and I was helping a 
> student recently who grabbed an old laptop out of hard rubbish. So we are 
> stuck with making them work but in doing so we see 5ghz capable devices 
> sitting on 2.4 which isn’t so good. The extra SSID was fired up as a test and 
> worked, so got stuck there but we  still don’t classify it under our 
> production since it’s poorly named.
>  
> For end of year I’m proposing the removal of “UofA 5ghz” and making “UofA” a 
> 5ghz only SSID with eduroam covering both 5 and 2.4. Our users get the same 
> service on eduroam anyway as they would on our branded SSID(ip connectivity 
> wise).
>  
> A few years back I posted a discussion about this where we were considering 
> something similar but having a 2.4ghz only network as UofA-legacy or the 5ghz 
> network as UofA-Premium etc. since the current “UofA 5ghz” is technical and 
> users don’t know what it means.  We never got to a point where we were fully 
> happy with the plan but in general we preferred the idea that if your 2.4ghz 
> only you go on something called legacy to help drive the idea that they would 
> ideally not use such a device.
>  
>  
> --
> Jason Cook
> Technology Services
> The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
> Ph: +61 8 8313 4800
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Casey Feskens
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 March 2017 4:58 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5
>  
> We are currently using a 5GHz only SSID (as well as 2.4) and have been trying 
> to encourage students to use it. We recently conducted a survey of wireless 
> performance and asked questions about why people were using 2.4 networks vs. 
> 5GHz. A surprising number of students replied that their devices could not 
> see the 5GHz SSID.
>  
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Hunter Fuller  wrote:
> Similarly, we haven't looked at it. You can walk into Best Buy today and walk 
> out with a brand new laptop with no 5GHz wireless.
>  
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:13 PM Jeffrey D. Sessler  
> wrote:
> I don’t think there is a way to get away from 2.4 yet in EDU. For example, 
> while most would install high-density 5GHz in every residential room, it’s 
> likely cost-prohibitive to accomplish the same in hallways and other areas 
> that devices transit but don’t linger. As such, 2.4 is still important for 
> “in flight” devices.
>  
> Jeff
>  
> From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>  on behalf of "Oliver, Jeff" 
> 
> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
> Date: Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:42 AM
> To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5
>  
> Folks, just wondering how many PSI’s have successfully turned off your 2.4 
> and gone 5GHz only? And how much blowback?
>  
>  
> Cheers,
> Jeff
>  
> ---
>  
> Jeffrey L. Oliver
> Manager, Network and Telecommunications
> Information Technology Services
> The University of Lethbridge
> 4401 University Drive, Lethbridge, Alberta, T1K 3M4
>  
> Tel: 403.329.5162
> Mob: 403.315.4461
>  
> URI:   jeff.oli...@uleth.ca
> Web:http://www.uleth.ca/information-technology/
>  
> ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE 
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> Director of Infrastructure Services
> Willamette Integrated Technology Services
> Willamette University, Salem, OR
> Phone:  (503) 370-6950
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

[Jason Cook]

We have a dedicated 5ghz SSID but it’s in addition to our standard which is not 
ideal… too many SSID’s doing the same thing
So our dot1x auth’s are
UofA (2.4&5)
UofA 5ghz (5 only)
eduroam (2.4 & 5)

We still see plenty of brand new devices on 2.4 only and I was helping a 
student recently who grabbed an old laptop out of hard rubbish. So we are stuck 
with making them work but in doing so we see 5ghz capable devices sitting on 
2.4 which isn’t so good. The extra SSID was fired up as a test and worked, so 
got stuck there but we  still don’t classify it under our production since it’s 
poorly named.

For end of year I’m proposing the removal of “UofA 5ghz” and making “UofA” a 
5ghz only SSID with eduroam covering both 5 and 2.4. Our users get the same 
service on eduroam anyway as they would on our branded SSID(ip connectivity 
wise).

A few years back I posted a discussion about this where we were considering 
something similar but having a 2.4ghz only network as UofA-legacy or the 5ghz 
network as UofA-Premium etc. since the current “UofA 5ghz” is technical and 
users don’t know what it means.  We never got to a point where we were fully 
happy with the plan but in general we preferred the idea that if your 2.4ghz 
only you go on something called legacy to help drive the idea that they would 
ideally not use such a device.


--
Jason Cook
Technology Services
The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005
Ph: +61 8 8313 4800

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Casey Feskens
Sent: Tuesday, 7 March 2017 4:58 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

We are currently using a 5GHz only SSID (as well as 2.4) and have been trying 
to encourage students to use it. We recently conducted a survey of wireless 
performance and asked questions about why people were using 2.4 networks vs. 
5GHz. A surprising number of students replied that their devices could not see 
the 5GHz SSID.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Hunter Fuller 
mailto:hf0...@uah.edu>> wrote:
Similarly, we haven't looked at it. You can walk into Best Buy today and walk 
out with a brand new laptop with no 5GHz wireless.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:13 PM Jeffrey D. Sessler 
mailto:j...@scrippscollege.edu>> wrote:
I don’t think there is a way to get away from 2.4 yet in EDU. For example, 
while most would install high-density 5GHz in every residential room, it’s 
likely cost-prohibitive to accomplish the same in hallways and other areas that 
devices transit but don’t linger. As such, 2.4 is still important for “in 
flight” devices.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of "Oliver, Jeff" mailto:jeff.oli...@uleth.ca>>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:42 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

Folks, just wondering how many PSI’s have successfully turned off your 2.4 and 
gone 5GHz only? And how much blowback?


Cheers,
Jeff

---

Jeffrey L. Oliver
Manager, Network and Telecommunications
Information Technology Services
The University of Lethbridge
4401 University Drive, Lethbridge, Alberta, T1K 3M4

Tel: 403.329.5162
Mob: 403.315.4461

URI:   jeff.oli...@uleth.ca
Web:http://www.uleth.ca/information-technology/

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Willamette Integrated Technology Services
Willamette University, Salem, OR
Phone:  (503) 370-6950
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RADIUS Performance

[Bruce Boardman]

Looking to nail down RADIUS performance on ACS 5.8. Cisco doc says 5.7 able to 
handle 100 per second, but we are seeing peaks over 100 per second on 5.8. 
against and AD identity store.  I heard 5.8 has the ISE RADIUS engine which for 
2.0 lists PEAP MSCHAPv2 at 347 per second against AD. 

I'm wondering if anybody has seen consistently high that 100 per second RADIUS 
auth loads on a single ACS 5.8 box. Thanks

Bruce Boardman Networking Syracuse University 315 412-4156 Skype 
board...@syr.edu

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

[Casey Feskens]

We are currently using a 5GHz only SSID (as well as 2.4) and have been
trying to encourage students to use it. We recently conducted a survey of
wireless performance and asked questions about why people were using 2.4
networks vs. 5GHz. A surprising number of students replied that their
devices could not see the 5GHz SSID.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Hunter Fuller  wrote:

> Similarly, we haven't looked at it. You can walk into Best Buy today and
> walk out with a brand new laptop with no 5GHz wireless.
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:13 PM Jeffrey D. Sessler <
> j...@scrippscollege.edu> wrote:
>
>> I don’t think there is a way to get away from 2.4 yet in EDU. For
>> example, while most would install high-density 5GHz in every residential
>> room, it’s likely cost-prohibitive to accomplish the same in hallways and
>> other areas that devices transit but don’t linger. As such, 2.4 is still
>> important for “in flight” devices.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" > EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of "Oliver, Jeff" 
>> *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" > EDUCAUSE.EDU>
>> *Date: *Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:42 AM
>> *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" > EDUCAUSE.EDU>
>> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5
>>
>>
>>
>> Folks, just wondering how many PSI’s have successfully turned off your
>> 2.4 and gone 5GHz only? And how much blowback?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeffrey L. Oliver
>>
>> Manager, Network and Telecommunications
>>
>> Information Technology Services
>>
>> The University of Lethbridge
>>
>> 4401 University Drive, Lethbridge, Alberta, T1K 3M4
>>
>>
>>
>> Tel: 403.329.5162 <(403)%20329-5162>
>>
>> Mob: 403.315.4461 <(403)%20315-4461>
>>
>>
>>
>> URI:   jeff.oli...@uleth.ca
>>
>> Web:http://www.uleth.ca/information-technology/
>>
>>
>>
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> discuss.
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>


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Director of Infrastructure Services
Willamette Integrated Technology Services
Willamette University, Salem, OR
Phone:  (503) 370-6950
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

[Hunter Fuller]

Similarly, we haven't looked at it. You can walk into Best Buy today and
walk out with a brand new laptop with no 5GHz wireless.

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 12:13 PM Jeffrey D. Sessler 
wrote:

> I don’t think there is a way to get away from 2.4 yet in EDU. For example,
> while most would install high-density 5GHz in every residential room, it’s
> likely cost-prohibitive to accomplish the same in hallways and other areas
> that devices transit but don’t linger. As such, 2.4 is still important for
> “in flight” devices.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> *From: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of "Oliver, Jeff" <
> jeff.oli...@uleth.ca>
> *Reply-To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:42 AM
> *To: *"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *[WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5
>
>
>
> Folks, just wondering how many PSI’s have successfully turned off your 2.4
> and gone 5GHz only? And how much blowback?
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
> Jeffrey L. Oliver
>
> Manager, Network and Telecommunications
>
> Information Technology Services
>
> The University of Lethbridge
>
> 4401 University Drive, Lethbridge, Alberta, T1K 3M4
>
>
>
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disney's Free Wi-Fi

[Bruce Curtis]

> On Mar 3, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Thomas Carter  wrote:
> 
> But density and usage patterns are much different. Someone is a Disney park 
> is much less likely to be streaming Netflix in HD compared to someone on a 
> college campus, for example. Additionally they are covering lots of open 
> spaces without as many pesky walls to block signals. I suspect their average 
> bandwidth usage per guest is much lower than the average bandwidth usage per 
> student.

But on the other hand they could at times have many people standing in line 
streaming less than HD.

> 
> Thomas Carter
> Network & Operations Manager / IT
> Austin College
> 900 North Grand Avenue 
> Sherman, TX 75090
> Phone: 903-813-2564
> www.austincollege.edu
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Y Koh
> Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 2:04 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disney's Free Wi-Fi
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2017, at 13:22, Bob Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> According to a wireless engineer at Disney, the WLAN infrastructure in 
>> Orlando consists of about 3,500 Cisco and Aruba APs across resorts, 4 theme 
>> parks etc.
> 
> That seems like a low number to me, considering the AP counts I’ve seen us 
> throw around here on the list for our campuses.
> 
> --
> Julian Y. Koh
> Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern 
> Information Technology
> 
> 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
> Evanston, IL 60208
> +1-847-467-5780
> Northwestern IT Web Site:  PGP Public Key: 
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North Dakota State University


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

I don’t think there is a way to get away from 2.4 yet in EDU. For example, 
while most would install high-density 5GHz in every residential room, it’s 
likely cost-prohibitive to accomplish the same in hallways and other areas that 
devices transit but don’t linger. As such, 2.4 is still important for “in 
flight” devices.

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  
on behalf of "Oliver, Jeff" 
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

Date: Monday, March 6, 2017 at 8:42 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

Folks, just wondering how many PSI’s have successfully turned off your 2.4 and 
gone 5GHz only? And how much blowback?


Cheers,
Jeff

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Manager, Network and Telecommunications
Information Technology Services
The University of Lethbridge
4401 University Drive, Lethbridge, Alberta, T1K 3M4

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] 2.4 vs 5

[Coehoorn, Joel]

We still have a lot of devices (especially low-end smartphones) that only
have 2.4 radios.



Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
402.363.5603
*jcoeho...@york.edu *

*Please contact helpd...@york.edu  for technical
assistance.*


The mission of York College is to transform lives through
Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to
God, family, and society

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Oliver, Jeff  wrote:

> Folks, just wondering how many PSI’s have successfully turned off your 2.4
> and gone 5GHz only? And how much blowback?
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
>
> Jeffrey L. Oliver
>
> Manager, Network and Telecommunications
>
> Information Technology Services
>
> The University of Lethbridge
>
> 4401 University Drive, Lethbridge, Alberta, T1K 3M4
>
>
>
> Tel: 403.329.5162 <(403)%20329-5162>
>
> Mob: 403.315.4461 <(403)%20315-4461>
>
>
>
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>
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2.4 vs 5

[Oliver, Jeff]

Folks, just wondering how many PSI's have successfully turned off your 2.4 and 
gone 5GHz only? And how much blowback?


Cheers,
Jeff

---

Jeffrey L. Oliver
Manager, Network and Telecommunications
Information Technology Services
The University of Lethbridge
4401 University Drive, Lethbridge, Alberta, T1K 3M4

Tel: 403.329.5162
Mob: 403.315.4461

URI:   jeff.oli...@uleth.ca
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disney's Free Wi-Fi

[Peter P Morrissey]

Interesting that they had a mix of two vendors. Wonder how they managed the 
radio environment.

Pete M.

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Y Koh
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2017 3:04 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Disney's Free Wi-Fi

> On Mar 3, 2017, at 13:22, Bob Brown  wrote:
> 
> According to a wireless engineer at Disney, the WLAN infrastructure in 
> Orlando consists of about 3,500 Cisco and Aruba APs across resorts, 4 theme 
> parks etc. 

That seems like a low number to me, considering the AP counts I’ve seen us 
throw around here on the list for our campuses.

--
Julian Y. Koh
Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern 
Information Technology

2001 Sheridan Road #G-166
Evanston, IL 60208
+1-847-467-5780
Northwestern IT Web Site:  PGP Public Key: 



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