Up-coming EDUCAUSE Annual Conference reminders -- Session Leader Opportunity

[Brian Helman]

Everyone,

Two things:
One of the co-presenter/moderators for the Annual Conference Wireless-LAN 
Session on 11/2 had a change in travel plans and will be unable to attend the 
conference.  So, if you've ever wanted to stand up in front of a hundred or so 
of your peers and talk about wireless networking technology, your wish has been 
granted...

If you are planning on attending the conference, send me an email directly 
(bhelman - at - salemstate - dot - edu).  Rather than publishing the other 
people's emails on here, I'll forward any volunteer info to Mike Ferguson, Lee 
Badman and Charles Rumford (if you have their emails, feel free to cc: them).  
If we don't get any takers, you'll be subjected to me again!

Secondly:
I've had a couple recommendations for places to get together Tuesday evening.  
If anyone has any suggestions, also feel free to email me directly.  I'll send 
the final decision out early next week.  Right now I'm leaning toward Fergie's 
Pub - solely based on the photo of the indoor bocce court I saw.

Stay unKracked.

-Brian



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Helman
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 3:01 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Up-coming EDUCAUSE Annual Conference reminders

Everyone:

Just a reminder that the 2017 EDUCAUSE Annual Conference is about a month away. 
 This is a great Education conference to check out a broad range of 
technologies, meet people you interact with on the listservs and get your 
questions answered.  This year's conference is in Philadelphia.

https://events.educause.edu/annual-conference

The Wireless-LAN session will be held at 8a (we don't make the schedule!) on 
11/2.  It's well worth the extra coffee needed to get there though.  This is 
your opportunity to meet Networking peers, make professional contacts, get your 
questions answers, maybe get your answers questioned and hopefully make some 
new friends.

The Network Management session will be held from 10:30a-noon on Wednesday 
(11/1).

In the next couple weeks I'll also send out an information for a non-sanctioned 
gathering on Tuesday (10/31) night.  If anyone knows the area around the 
convention center and can recommend a comfortable pub/bar/etc (that hopefully 
isn't closed for renovation.  Sorry about that!), let me know.

Lastly, don't forget there are other CG's that probably interest you whether 
you'll be at the Annual Conference or not  If you haven't checked lately, there 
are several new groups such as the DevOps and Young Professionals CGs.

https://www.educause.edu/discuss

I've also cross-posted this to the Network Management (NETMAN) group.

I hope to see all 2129 of you in Philly!

-Brian



Brian Helman, M.Ed |  Director, ITS/Networking Services | *: 978.542.7272
Salem State University, 352 Lafayette St., Salem Massachusetts 01970
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

[Chuck Enfield]

While I agree with all the justifications offered below, I don’t recommend 
going there if you can avoid it.  If somebody wants to challenge a business 
case based on those things there will be plenty of opportunity to do that. 
I value a good business case more than most, but a determined bean-counter 
will always get their way if you make it about counting beans.  Remove them 
from the equation if you can.



Instead, it’s pretty easy to convince IT leaders that administrative 
approaches to these problems rarely work and frustrate the user community. 
The network has to work, and we want our users to be happy, so 
administrative approaches aren’t desirable.  Once the leadership has agreed 
to that general principle, you don’t have to weigh the tradeoffs between 
technical and administrative approaches each time a new challenge emerges. 
Challenges with technical solutions get the technical solution and the 
network just costs what it costs.  Challenges without technical solutions 
get administrative stop-gaps until a technical solution emerges.



Chuck



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:39 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls



The way to present that 30+% increase in capital investment is to talk about 
the FTE resources it frees up, caps, or eliminates i.e. by increasing 
density the need for residential life/IT to police personal devices is 
significantly reduced/eliminated, freeing up or eliminating [x]FTE for other 
mission-aligned activities. There isn’t a CBO/CFO alive that doesn’t react 
well to proposals that cap/reduce FTE investments in exchange for capital 
investment. Hardware doesn’t require 34% benefits, raises, and so on.



Spend $10,000 for 20 more APs, or spend $650,000 in salary/benefits over 
five years to hire an RF engineer to go out and find these problems. Even 
when pitted against a $20/hr user support position, it’s still $10,000 for 
20 APs, or $265,000 salary/benefits over five years for that person to do 
policing.



In other words, you have to add a lot of APs before you get close to the 
cost of a single FTE.



Jeff



From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
 " 
 > on behalf of Thomas Carter 
 >
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
 " 
 >
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 10:06 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
 " 
 >
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls



You’re correct, but it just sucks that we now have to justify a 30+% 
increase in capital spent on wireless infrastructure for something that (at 
least according to those who manage the budgets) worked fine 5 years ago, 
AKA why do you need to put 50 APs in a building that once had 30?



Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT

Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090

Phone: 903-813-2564
  www.austincollege.edu



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:13 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 

Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls



If you move your design planning toward dense 5GHz and designate 2.4 as a 
legacy wasteland, these devices have little impact. Even if these devices 
more toward 5GHz, the abundance of channels coupled with low signal 
propagation and vendor channel management e.g. DCA in Cisco speak, greatly 
enhance coexistence. Since you mention Cisco, use of CleanAir equipped APs 
in residence halls (even in small quantities) provide significant RF 
visibility, and you’ll know exactly what’s out there and impacting your 
environment.



That’s a long way of saying you will never legislate these devices out of 
existence, and it’s far better to invest resources in technology that help 
with coexistence vs expending energy on confiscating/banning them.



Jeff



From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 
 " 
 > on behalf of "Davis, Steve" 
 >
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

[Thomas Carter]

As Brian said, it is nice in theory; the reality is you don’t get the capital 
increase or the personnel.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Brian Helman
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:45 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

Or, spend 30+% in capital investment vs adding more workload to existing staff 
to track down rogue devices – which is probably more on par with what the bulk 
of our realities are.

I am being pressured to support IoT devices over the previous -72dB/2.4GHz 
AP-in-hallways design with little to no funding to upgrade more areas to our 
current -50ish/5Ghz more localized radio design.  CapEx goes to admin systems, 
not infrastructure.

-Brian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:39 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

The way to present that 30+% increase in capital investment is to talk about 
the FTE resources it frees up, caps, or eliminates i.e. by increasing density 
the need for residential life/IT to police personal devices is significantly 
reduced/eliminated, freeing up or eliminating [x]FTE for other mission-aligned 
activities. There isn’t a CBO/CFO alive that doesn’t react well to proposals 
that cap/reduce FTE investments in exchange for capital investment. Hardware 
doesn’t require 34% benefits, raises, and so on.

Spend $10,000 for 20 more APs, or spend $650,000 in salary/benefits over five 
years to hire an RF engineer to go out and find these problems. Even when 
pitted against a $20/hr user support position, it’s still $10,000 for 20 APs, 
or $265,000 salary/benefits over five years for that person to do policing.

In other words, you have to add a lot of APs before you get close to the cost 
of a single FTE.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 10:06 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

You’re correct, but it just sucks that we now have to justify a 30+% increase 
in capital spent on wireless infrastructure for something that (at least 
according to those who manage the budgets) worked fine 5 years ago, AKA why do 
you need to put 50 APs in a building that once had 30?

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:13 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

If you move your design planning toward dense 5GHz and designate 2.4 as a 
legacy wasteland, these devices have little impact. Even if these devices more 
toward 5GHz, the abundance of channels coupled with low signal propagation and 
vendor channel management e.g. DCA in Cisco speak, greatly enhance coexistence. 
Since you mention Cisco, use of CleanAir equipped APs in residence halls (even 
in small quantities) provide significant RF visibility, and you’ll know exactly 
what’s out there and impacting your environment.

That’s a long way of saying you will never legislate these devices out of 
existence, and it’s far better to invest resources in technology that help with 
coexistence vs expending energy on confiscating/banning them.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Davis, Steve" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

[Brian Helman]

Or, spend 30+% in capital investment vs adding more workload to existing staff 
to track down rogue devices – which is probably more on par with what the bulk 
of our realities are.

I am being pressured to support IoT devices over the previous -72dB/2.4GHz 
AP-in-hallways design with little to no funding to upgrade more areas to our 
current -50ish/5Ghz more localized radio design.  CapEx goes to admin systems, 
not infrastructure.

-Brian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:39 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

The way to present that 30+% increase in capital investment is to talk about 
the FTE resources it frees up, caps, or eliminates i.e. by increasing density 
the need for residential life/IT to police personal devices is significantly 
reduced/eliminated, freeing up or eliminating [x]FTE for other mission-aligned 
activities. There isn’t a CBO/CFO alive that doesn’t react well to proposals 
that cap/reduce FTE investments in exchange for capital investment. Hardware 
doesn’t require 34% benefits, raises, and so on.

Spend $10,000 for 20 more APs, or spend $650,000 in salary/benefits over five 
years to hire an RF engineer to go out and find these problems. Even when 
pitted against a $20/hr user support position, it’s still $10,000 for 20 APs, 
or $265,000 salary/benefits over five years for that person to do policing.

In other words, you have to add a lot of APs before you get close to the cost 
of a single FTE.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
>
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 10:06 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

You’re correct, but it just sucks that we now have to justify a 30+% increase 
in capital spent on wireless infrastructure for something that (at least 
according to those who manage the budgets) worked fine 5 years ago, AKA why do 
you need to put 50 APs in a building that once had 30?

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:13 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

If you move your design planning toward dense 5GHz and designate 2.4 as a 
legacy wasteland, these devices have little impact. Even if these devices more 
toward 5GHz, the abundance of channels coupled with low signal propagation and 
vendor channel management e.g. DCA in Cisco speak, greatly enhance coexistence. 
Since you mention Cisco, use of CleanAir equipped APs in residence halls (even 
in small quantities) provide significant RF visibility, and you’ll know exactly 
what’s out there and impacting your environment.

That’s a long way of saying you will never legislate these devices out of 
existence, and it’s far better to invest resources in technology that help with 
coexistence vs expending energy on confiscating/banning them.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Davis, Steve" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 8:06 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

I wanted to get an idea how everyone is handling students bringing in all types 
of wireless devices, which are basically access points.  We have so many 
printers, TVs, Roku devices, game systems and who knows what else out there in 
the student rooms and these devices are causing issues with our campus 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

The way to present that 30+% increase in capital investment is to talk about 
the FTE resources it frees up, caps, or eliminates i.e. by increasing density 
the need for residential life/IT to police personal devices is significantly 
reduced/eliminated, freeing up or eliminating [x]FTE for other mission-aligned 
activities. There isn’t a CBO/CFO alive that doesn’t react well to proposals 
that cap/reduce FTE investments in exchange for capital investment. Hardware 
doesn’t require 34% benefits, raises, and so on.

Spend $10,000 for 20 more APs, or spend $650,000 in salary/benefits over five 
years to hire an RF engineer to go out and find these problems. Even when 
pitted against a $20/hr user support position, it’s still $10,000 for 20 APs, 
or $265,000 salary/benefits over five years for that person to do policing.

In other words, you have to add a lot of APs before you get close to the cost 
of a single FTE.

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  
on behalf of Thomas Carter 
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

Date: Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 10:06 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

You’re correct, but it just sucks that we now have to justify a 30+% increase 
in capital spent on wireless infrastructure for something that (at least 
according to those who manage the budgets) worked fine 5 years ago, AKA why do 
you need to put 50 APs in a building that once had 30?

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:13 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

If you move your design planning toward dense 5GHz and designate 2.4 as a 
legacy wasteland, these devices have little impact. Even if these devices more 
toward 5GHz, the abundance of channels coupled with low signal propagation and 
vendor channel management e.g. DCA in Cisco speak, greatly enhance coexistence. 
Since you mention Cisco, use of CleanAir equipped APs in residence halls (even 
in small quantities) provide significant RF visibility, and you’ll know exactly 
what’s out there and impacting your environment.

That’s a long way of saying you will never legislate these devices out of 
existence, and it’s far better to invest resources in technology that help with 
coexistence vs expending energy on confiscating/banning them.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Davis, Steve" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 8:06 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

I wanted to get an idea how everyone is handling students bringing in all types 
of wireless devices, which are basically access points.  We have so many 
printers, TVs, Roku devices, game systems and who knows what else out there in 
the student rooms and these devices are causing issues with our campus wireless 
network.

Do you allow these devices on your network?  If not, how do you prevent the 
students from having them?

I have Cisco wireless controllers where I can block rogue APs but that keeps 
the APs which are containing the rogue AP from servicing the clients and I 
don’t have dense enough coverage to be able to do this for every rogue device.

Thanks in advance
-Steve

Steve Davis | Network Manager
Department of Technology Infrastructure

Lock Haven University
519 Robinson Hall
401 North Fairview Street, Lock Haven, PA 17745
Phone: 570-484-2290 | sda...@lockhaven.edu | 
www.lockhaven.edu

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

[Nero, Jason]

It does suck, but it’s the cost of offering wireless service these days.

My justification would be looking at my opex spend to legislate/track 
down/remove/block/etc these unwanted devices on an ongoing/yearly basis. Take 
that cost over the lifetime of the APs. If it’s greater than the capex spend of 
just installing additional APs, then it should be a no-brainer for a financial 
person.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas Carter
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 12:06 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

You’re correct, but it just sucks that we now have to justify a 30+% increase 
in capital spent on wireless infrastructure for something that (at least 
according to those who manage the budgets) worked fine 5 years ago, AKA why do 
you need to put 50 APs in a building that once had 30?

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:13 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

If you move your design planning toward dense 5GHz and designate 2.4 as a 
legacy wasteland, these devices have little impact. Even if these devices more 
toward 5GHz, the abundance of channels coupled with low signal propagation and 
vendor channel management e.g. DCA in Cisco speak, greatly enhance coexistence. 
Since you mention Cisco, use of CleanAir equipped APs in residence halls (even 
in small quantities) provide significant RF visibility, and you’ll know exactly 
what’s out there and impacting your environment.

That’s a long way of saying you will never legislate these devices out of 
existence, and it’s far better to invest resources in technology that help with 
coexistence vs expending energy on confiscating/banning them.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Davis, Steve" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 8:06 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

I wanted to get an idea how everyone is handling students bringing in all types 
of wireless devices, which are basically access points.  We have so many 
printers, TVs, Roku devices, game systems and who knows what else out there in 
the student rooms and these devices are causing issues with our campus wireless 
network.

Do you allow these devices on your network?  If not, how do you prevent the 
students from having them?

I have Cisco wireless controllers where I can block rogue APs but that keeps 
the APs which are containing the rogue AP from servicing the clients and I 
don’t have dense enough coverage to be able to do this for every rogue device.

Thanks in advance
-Steve

Steve Davis | Network Manager
Department of Technology Infrastructure

Lock Haven University
519 Robinson Hall
401 North Fairview Street, Lock Haven, PA 17745
Phone: 570-484-2290 | sda...@lockhaven.edu | 
www.lockhaven.edu

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

[Thomas Carter]

You’re correct, but it just sucks that we now have to justify a 30+% increase 
in capital spent on wireless infrastructure for something that (at least 
according to those who manage the budgets) worked fine 5 years ago, AKA why do 
you need to put 50 APs in a building that once had 30?

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:13 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

If you move your design planning toward dense 5GHz and designate 2.4 as a 
legacy wasteland, these devices have little impact. Even if these devices more 
toward 5GHz, the abundance of channels coupled with low signal propagation and 
vendor channel management e.g. DCA in Cisco speak, greatly enhance coexistence. 
Since you mention Cisco, use of CleanAir equipped APs in residence halls (even 
in small quantities) provide significant RF visibility, and you’ll know exactly 
what’s out there and impacting your environment.

That’s a long way of saying you will never legislate these devices out of 
existence, and it’s far better to invest resources in technology that help with 
coexistence vs expending energy on confiscating/banning them.

Jeff

From: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
> 
on behalf of "Davis, Steve" >
Reply-To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Date: Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 8:06 AM
To: 
"wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

I wanted to get an idea how everyone is handling students bringing in all types 
of wireless devices, which are basically access points.  We have so many 
printers, TVs, Roku devices, game systems and who knows what else out there in 
the student rooms and these devices are causing issues with our campus wireless 
network.

Do you allow these devices on your network?  If not, how do you prevent the 
students from having them?

I have Cisco wireless controllers where I can block rogue APs but that keeps 
the APs which are containing the rogue AP from servicing the clients and I 
don’t have dense enough coverage to be able to do this for every rogue device.

Thanks in advance
-Steve

Steve Davis | Network Manager
Department of Technology Infrastructure

Lock Haven University
519 Robinson Hall
401 North Fairview Street, Lock Haven, PA 17745
Phone: 570-484-2290 | sda...@lockhaven.edu | 
www.lockhaven.edu

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YouTube

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

If you move your design planning toward dense 5GHz and designate 2.4 as a 
legacy wasteland, these devices have little impact. Even if these devices more 
toward 5GHz, the abundance of channels coupled with low signal propagation and 
vendor channel management e.g. DCA in Cisco speak, greatly enhance coexistence. 
Since you mention Cisco, use of CleanAir equipped APs in residence halls (even 
in small quantities) provide significant RF visibility, and you’ll know exactly 
what’s out there and impacting your environment.

That’s a long way of saying you will never legislate these devices out of 
existence, and it’s far better to invest resources in technology that help with 
coexistence vs expending energy on confiscating/banning them.

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  
on behalf of "Davis, Steve" 
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

Date: Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 8:06 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

I wanted to get an idea how everyone is handling students bringing in all types 
of wireless devices, which are basically access points.  We have so many 
printers, TVs, Roku devices, game systems and who knows what else out there in 
the student rooms and these devices are causing issues with our campus wireless 
network.

Do you allow these devices on your network?  If not, how do you prevent the 
students from having them?

I have Cisco wireless controllers where I can block rogue APs but that keeps 
the APs which are containing the rogue AP from servicing the clients and I 
don’t have dense enough coverage to be able to do this for every rogue device.

Thanks in advance
-Steve

Steve Davis | Network Manager
Department of Technology Infrastructure

Lock Haven University
519 Robinson Hall
401 North Fairview Street, Lock Haven, PA 17745
Phone: 570-484-2290 | sda...@lockhaven.edu | 
www.lockhaven.edu

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RE: Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

[Thomas Carter]

We were just having this conversation in-house this morning. The problem isn't 
APs - its printers, TVs, Rokus, Amazon Fire TVs, Playstations, etc. We don't 
have the people to manage the quantity that are out there (probably 1 in 4 or 5 
rooms have something broadcasting). They don't realize their HP printer that is 
connected via USB is also broadcasting Wifi. And they don't know that their 
Roku/Fire Stick/Vizio TV is using WiFi for the connection to the remote 
control, and there's no way to turn it off. There's also no way to tell this 
many students to take those devices off campus (and there would probably be a 
riot about it). The terrible idea that is WiFi Direct is polluting the 
airwaves. And while it's primarily 2.4GHz now, I'm sure it's coming to 5GHz 
soon.  We're at a bit of a loss for how to really handle this issue.

Another increasing issue is mobile hotspots from phones. These only pop up on 
off hours and are difficult to track down and "prove" who was doing it.

Thomas Carter
Network & Operations Manager / IT
Austin College
900 North Grand Avenue
Sherman, TX 75090
Phone: 903-813-2564
www.austincollege.edu

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Hales, David
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 10:14 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence 
halls

Our residence hall policy and campus acceptable use policy specify that 
students are not allowed to connect routers, switches, or access points to the 
wired network, or operate independent wireless access points in campus 
facilities.  Our NAC and switches are able to handle any that get plugged into 
wired drops.  We don't have too many wireless issues caused by rogue APs, but 
when we detect an issue related to one, we locate them rather than mitigate 
them.  We haven't run into one where the student was really trying to hide an 
AP, so we can usually localize it to a room or two, and then residential life 
finds them during one of their room inspections.  Usually the student is just 
ignorant of the policy violation, and packs the device away.  We haven't had 
any really rebellious students that insisted on bringing the device back online 
at a later time.

David Hales
Network Systems Administrator
Information Technology Services
1010 N. Peachtree
Clement Hall 117
Cookeville, TN 38505
P 931-372-3983
F 931-372-6130
E dha...@tntech.edu
www.tntech.edu/its
[Tennessee Tech Logo]
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 [TTU Instagram]  
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Davis, Steve
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 9:56 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

I wanted to get an idea how everyone is handling students bringing in all types 
of wireless devices, which are basically access points.  We have so many 
printers, TVs, Roku devices, game systems and who knows what else out there in 
the student rooms and these devices are causing issues with our campus wireless 
network.

Do you allow these devices on your network?  If not, how do you prevent the 
students from having them?

I have Cisco wireless controllers where I can block rogue APs but that keeps 
the APs which are containing the rogue AP from servicing the clients and I 
don't have dense enough coverage to be able to do this for every rogue device.

Thanks in advance
-Steve

Steve Davis | Network Manager
Department of Technology Infrastructure

Lock Haven University
519 Robinson Hall
401 North Fairview Street, Lock Haven, PA 17745
Phone: 570-484-2290 | sda...@lockhaven.edu | 
www.lockhaven.edu

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

[Scott Bertilson]

and there's always the peer-pressure approach of telling them that their
device acting as an AP is messing up wireless coverage for them and their
neighbors.  and perhaps letting neighbors know through res-life why there
is a problem if they're nearby.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Hales, David  wrote:

> Our residence hall policy and campus acceptable use policy specify that
> students are not allowed to connect routers, switches, or access points to
> the wired network, or operate independent wireless access points in campus
> facilities.  Our NAC and switches are able to handle any that get plugged
> into wired drops.  We don’t have too many wireless issues caused by rogue
> APs, but when we detect an issue related to one, we locate them rather than
> mitigate them.  We haven’t run into one where the student was really trying
> to hide an AP, so we can usually localize it to a room or two, and then
> residential life finds them during one of their room inspections.  Usually
> the student is just ignorant of the policy violation, and packs the device
> away.  We haven’t had any really rebellious students that insisted on
> bringing the device back online at a later time.
>
>
>
> *David Hales*
>
> *Network Systems Administrator*
>
> *Information Technology Services*
>
> 1010 N. Peachtree
> 
>
> Clement Hall 117
>
> Cookeville, TN 38505
>
> *P* 931-372-3983
>
> *F* 931-372-6130
>
> *E* *dha...@tntech.edu* 
>
> *www.tntech.edu/its* 
>
> *[image: Tennessee Tech Logo]* 
>
> *[image: TTU Facebook] * *[image:
> TTU Twitter] * *[image: TTU
> Instagram] * *[image: TTU
> Youtube] * *[image: TTU Pintrest]*
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Davis, Steve
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 9:56 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in
> residence halls
>
>
>
> I wanted to get an idea how everyone is handling students bringing in all
> types of wireless devices, which are basically access points.  We have so
> many printers, TVs, Roku devices, game systems and who knows what else out
> there in the student rooms and these devices are causing issues with our
> campus wireless network.
>
>
>
> Do you allow these devices on your network?  If not, how do you prevent
> the students from having them?
>
>
>
> I have Cisco wireless controllers where I can block rogue APs but that
> keeps the APs which are containing the rogue AP from servicing the clients
> and I don’t have dense enough coverage to be able to do this for every
> rogue device.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
> *Steve Davis* | Network Manager
>
> *Department of Technology Infrastructure *
>
>
>
> *Lock Haven University *
> 519 Robinson Hall
>
> 401 North Fairview Street, Lock Haven, PA 17745
> 
>
> Phone: 570-484-2290 | sda...@lockhaven.edu | www.lockhaven.edu
>
>
>
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>
>
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RE: Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

[Hales, David]

Our residence hall policy and campus acceptable use policy specify that 
students are not allowed to connect routers, switches, or access points to the 
wired network, or operate independent wireless access points in campus 
facilities.  Our NAC and switches are able to handle any that get plugged into 
wired drops.  We don't have too many wireless issues caused by rogue APs, but 
when we detect an issue related to one, we locate them rather than mitigate 
them.  We haven't run into one where the student was really trying to hide an 
AP, so we can usually localize it to a room or two, and then residential life 
finds them during one of their room inspections.  Usually the student is just 
ignorant of the policy violation, and packs the device away.  We haven't had 
any really rebellious students that insisted on bringing the device back online 
at a later time.

David Hales
Network Systems Administrator
Information Technology Services
1010 N. Peachtree
Clement Hall 117
Cookeville, TN 38505
P 931-372-3983
F 931-372-6130
E dha...@tntech.edu
www.tntech.edu/its
[Tennessee Tech Logo]
[TTU Facebook]  [TTU Twitter]  
 [TTU Instagram]  
 [TTU Youtube]  
 [TTU Pintrest] 


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Davis, Steve
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 9:56 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

I wanted to get an idea how everyone is handling students bringing in all types 
of wireless devices, which are basically access points.  We have so many 
printers, TVs, Roku devices, game systems and who knows what else out there in 
the student rooms and these devices are causing issues with our campus wireless 
network.

Do you allow these devices on your network?  If not, how do you prevent the 
students from having them?

I have Cisco wireless controllers where I can block rogue APs but that keeps 
the APs which are containing the rogue AP from servicing the clients and I 
don't have dense enough coverage to be able to do this for every rogue device.

Thanks in advance
-Steve

Steve Davis | Network Manager
Department of Technology Infrastructure

Lock Haven University
519 Robinson Hall
401 North Fairview Street, Lock Haven, PA 17745
Phone: 570-484-2290 | sda...@lockhaven.edu | 
www.lockhaven.edu

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Wireless printers and other devices in residence halls

[Davis, Steve]

I wanted to get an idea how everyone is handling students bringing in all types 
of wireless devices, which are basically access points.  We have so many 
printers, TVs, Roku devices, game systems and who knows what else out there in 
the student rooms and these devices are causing issues with our campus wireless 
network.

Do you allow these devices on your network?  If not, how do you prevent the 
students from having them?

I have Cisco wireless controllers where I can block rogue APs but that keeps 
the APs which are containing the rogue AP from servicing the clients and I 
don't have dense enough coverage to be able to do this for every rogue device.

Thanks in advance
-Steve

Steve Davis | Network Manager
Department of Technology Infrastructure

Lock Haven University
519 Robinson Hall
401 North Fairview Street, Lock Haven, PA 17745
Phone: 570-484-2290 | sda...@lockhaven.edu | 
www.lockhaven.edu

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Twitter | 
YouTube


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Big flaw in WPA2

[Jake Snyder]

You have more faith in the WFA than I.  I’m sure our next houses will be Wi-Fi 
certified Krack-Free.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 5:13 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations) 
>  wrote:
> 
> The specification, like many, was vague in implementation details and 
> practically all vendors chose a poor, insecure design.  The only claw in WPA2 
> was vagueness in the specification. I understand the Wi-Fi Alliance is 
> working on remedying that as well as specifically testing for KRACK in its 
> certification testing.
>  
> Since many implementations were likely based off the chipmakers reference 
> designs, this is not very surprising.
>  
>  
> 
> Bruce Osborne
> Senior Network Engineer
> Network Operations - Wireless
>  (434) 592-4229
> 
> LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
> 
> Training Champions for Christ since 1971
> 
>  
> From: Marcelo Maraboli [mailto:marcelo.marab...@uc.cl] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Big flaw in WPA2
>  
> if it were a Design Flaw, no patch can fix it we would need to upgrade to 
> WPA3 or something.
> 
> the fact that there is patch going on, is that either every implementation is 
> wrong (not likely) or
> the specification (how to code the Design) did not address boundaries or 
> restrictions that should/must
> be cared for.
> 
> or am I wrong ?
> 
> 
> regards,
> 
> On 10/16/17 4:32 PM, Hector J Rios wrote:
> The short answer is Yes.
>  
> Hector Rios
> Louisiana State University
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Cunningham
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 1:58 PM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Big flaw in WPA2
>  
> If this is a flaw in the design of the WPA2 protocol isn’t the fix going to 
> need to be made on both sides of the communication link?  Access points will 
> all need to be updated but also all client wifi drivers are going to need to 
> be updated on all wifi enabled devices that support WPA2, right?
>  
> Mike Cunningham
>  
>  
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephen Belcher
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 10:40 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Big flaw in WPA2
>  
> From Cisco:
> 
>  
> 
> https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/content/CiscoSecurityAdvisory/cisco-sa-20171016-wpa
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> / Stephen Belcher
> Assistant Director of Network Operations 
> WVU Information Technology Services
> One Waterfront Place / PO Box 6500
> Morgantown, WV  26506
>  
> (304) 293-8440 office 
> (681) 214-3389 mobile 
> steve.belc...@mail.wvu.edu
> From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
>  on behalf of Richard Nedwich 
> 
> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 10:34:43 AM
> To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Big flaw in WPA2
>  
> Ruckus is providing a response today.
> 
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RE: Big flaw in WPA2

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)]

The specification, like many, was vague in implementation details and 
practically all vendors chose a poor, insecure design.  The only claw in WPA2 
was vagueness in the specification. I understand the Wi-Fi Alliance is working 
on remedying that as well as specifically testing for KRACK in its 
certification testing.

Since many implementations were likely based off the chipmakers reference 
designs, this is not very surprising.


Bruce Osborne
Senior Network Engineer
Network Operations - Wireless
 (434) 592-4229
LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
Training Champions for Christ since 1971

From: Marcelo Maraboli [mailto:marcelo.marab...@uc.cl]
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: Big flaw in WPA2

if it were a Design Flaw, no patch can fix it we would need to upgrade to 
WPA3 or something.

the fact that there is patch going on, is that either every implementation is 
wrong (not likely) or
the specification (how to code the Design) did not address boundaries or 
restrictions that should/must
be cared for.

or am I wrong ?


regards,
On 10/16/17 4:32 PM, Hector J Rios wrote:
The short answer is Yes.

Hector Rios
Louisiana State University

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Cunningham
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Big flaw in WPA2

If this is a flaw in the design of the WPA2 protocol isn't the fix going to 
need to be made on both sides of the communication link?  Access points will 
all need to be updated but also all client wifi drivers are going to need to be 
updated on all wifi enabled devices that support WPA2, right?

Mike Cunningham


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephen Belcher
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 10:40 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Big flaw in WPA2


>From Cisco:



https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/content/CiscoSecurityAdvisory/cisco-sa-20171016-wpa





/ Stephen Belcher

Assistant Director of Network Operations
WVU Information Technology Services

One Waterfront Place / PO Box 6500

Morgantown, WV  26506



(304) 293-8440 office
(681) 214-3389 mobile
steve.belc...@mail.wvu.edu


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
> 
on behalf of Richard Nedwich 
>
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 10:34:43 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Big flaw in WPA2

Ruckus is providing a response today.

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