RE: Cisco pre-DNA Spaces Location Service, Contact Tracing

2020-05-28 Thread Lee H Badman
Thanks, Jeff. My thoughts are pretty close to yours on all of this, but it's 
good to hear from others. Should be interesting days to come.

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-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 12:10 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco pre-DNA Spaces Location Service, Contact 
Tracing

Lee,

Even without location services, one can get association data for a device and 
use that for rudimentary contact tracing.  I used it over the summer for a 
possible COVID case, and it was helpful in determining where the person was 
not. That is, it's not accurate enough to exclude people from the local area, 
but if the devices weren’t seen in other buildings, that was helpful.  I don't 
know that it would scale come students returning, and we're going to need 
something like Spaces to help.  Spaces looked very expensive however. 

We make use of an emergency notification product called Everbridge, and they 
are pitching a contact tracing support add-on to their mobile app where they 
bridge data from WiFi associations, door swipe, meal cards, and so on, all in 
an effort to provide more accurate information on a device/person.  Of course, 
that raises privacy concerns, so I'm still hopeful we'll see something 
compelling come from the Apple/Google partnership where we aren't holding onto 
data that must be protected and managed.

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:30 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco pre-DNA Spaces Location Service, Contact Tracing

I hope everyone on the list is doing well.

We are getting multiple vendor pitches these days for contact tracing 
“solutions”. From Cisco, our main network vendor, their pitch relies on DNA 
Spaces. We don’t use that yet,  and it’s no secret what is happening to many of 
our budgets.

 My question is specifically for Cisco legacy location services users. Are you 
all doing anything specific in anticipation of possibly needing to provide 
Wi-Fi location data for contact tracing? Are you being specifically asked about 
it by your management? 

I haven’t decided yet weather the vendors are being generally altruistic or 
opportunistic on this topic yet.

Regards,

Lee Badman (mobile)

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RE: Cisco pre-DNA Spaces Location Service, Contact Tracing

2020-05-28 Thread Jeffrey D. Sessler
Lee,

Even without location services, one can get association data for a device and 
use that for rudimentary contact tracing.  I used it over the summer for a 
possible COVID case, and it was helpful in determining where the person was 
not. That is, it's not accurate enough to exclude people from the local area, 
but if the devices weren’t seen in other buildings, that was helpful.  I don't 
know that it would scale come students returning, and we're going to need 
something like Spaces to help.  Spaces looked very expensive however. 

We make use of an emergency notification product called Everbridge, and they 
are pitching a contact tracing support add-on to their mobile app where they 
bridge data from WiFi associations, door swipe, meal cards, and so on, all in 
an effort to provide more accurate information on a device/person.  Of course, 
that raises privacy concerns, so I'm still hopeful we'll see something 
compelling come from the Apple/Google partnership where we aren't holding onto 
data that must be protected and managed.

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Lee H Badman
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:30 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco pre-DNA Spaces Location Service, Contact Tracing

I hope everyone on the list is doing well.

We are getting multiple vendor pitches these days for contact tracing 
“solutions”. From Cisco, our main network vendor, their pitch relies on DNA 
Spaces. We don’t use that yet,  and it’s no secret what is happening to many of 
our budgets.

 My question is specifically for Cisco legacy location services users. Are you 
all doing anything specific in anticipation of possibly needing to provide 
Wi-Fi location data for contact tracing? Are you being specifically asked about 
it by your management? 

I haven’t decided yet weather the vendors are being generally altruistic or 
opportunistic on this topic yet.

Regards,

Lee Badman (mobile)

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