Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point mounting example photos

[Blake Brown]

Thanks!

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Patrick McEvilly 

Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 3:57 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor 
wifi access point mounting example photos

External Email


We were looking around at outdoor solutions to handle three attached PoE 
devices and came across this product.  It seems like they put a lot of thought 
into the device and the features.  The fiber splice kit is a nice option to 
terminate fiber inside the enclosure.  They also have a “power over fiber” 
hybrid cable option, perhaps this product could be powered using their 48v 
remote power supply, it could be worth asking.  We have not purchased or used 
the product so we don’t have anything to share other than we thought it was a 
nice small design that had all the bits we needed.



https://www.berktek.us/eservice/US-en_US/navigate_370831/PowerGIG_OAC_Fully_Managed_and_Hardened_Gigabit_PoE_Switch.html



https://marketing.berktek.us/acton/attachment/2338/f-1768bcfd-ad84-45f3-ac9c-0dbab9a15f83/1/-/-/-/-/BSP0404.B_PowerGIG-FMK_Installation_Guide.pdf?sid=TV2:Jev9BdPwU





From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Ricardo Stella 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 1:21 PM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor 
wifi access point mounting example photos





One of our reqs when we added outdoor units, was to light up a couple of 
parking lots. Trenching at the time was cost prohibitive. We used AP-277 with 
external antennas as a mesh portal, and two AP-275 as mesh points, mounted in 
light poles. We use 5ghz for the mesh, and 2.4ghz for client access on both the 
portal and mesh units.



But the poles were powered remotely on a timer so we used Solis Energy 
Continuous Power Bridges. These boxes have a battery that gets recharged at 
night when the lights are on, and then they seamlessly switch to battery power 
during the day without interruption. 
https://solisenergy.com/product/continuous-power-bridge/









On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:27 PM Blake Brown 
mailto:blake.br...@mhcc.edu>> wrote:

How are you providing AC/DC power and are these setup in a mesh configuration 
or wired back into the network?



Thanks,

Blake

Sent from my cell phone



On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Smith, Nayef 
mailto:nayef.z.sm...@emory.edu>> wrote:

 External Email

Thanks Ricardo.  I agree with your observation regarding limited options. We’ve 
deployed the x75s using the nearest utility poles up to this point and painted 
them. We’re now challenged with providing service to our main quad with few 
utilities structures and buildings with specialized exterior surfaces.  The 
“bee hives” just aren’t subtle.



Nayef



Nayef Z Smith

Emory University - Network Services

404-727-6019



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Ricardo Stella mailto:ste...@rider.edu>>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:47:45 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point 
mounting example photos





When you mention "minimizing visual impact" you reduce your options big time. 
Basically for this, my suggestion is to use NEMA enclosures for the AP. For 
Aruba, you could use AP-367 for example (not sure which are the 500 equivalent) 
which can be mounted horizontally and don't require antennas. Otherwise you 
would need an enclosure for the AP and another one for the external antennas. 
The enclosures can be painted to somewhat match the exterior color.



Otherwise, omni units will need an arm that extends out, and the AP hanging 
below it. Aruvb's x75 units look like a bucket. x65 units are narrow but also 
hang below.



You can always hide them like Disney does. Except in Galaxy's Edge..









On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Hales, David 
mailto:dha...@tntech.edu>> wrote:

We had a really good thread about this a while back, The subject line was 
“Aruba AP-3XX mounting question” and it was last July in case anyone wants to 
look in the old digests.  I’m forwarding you a copy of the thread directly.



David Hales

Network Systems Administrator

Information Technology Services

1010 N. Peachtree

Clement Hall 117

Cookeville, TN 38505

P 931-372-3983

F 931-372-6130

E 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point mounting example photos

[Patrick McEvilly]

We were looking around at outdoor solutions to handle three attached PoE 
devices and came across this product.  It seems like they put a lot of thought 
into the device and the features.  The fiber splice kit is a nice option to 
terminate fiber inside the enclosure.  They also have a “power over fiber” 
hybrid cable option, perhaps this product could be powered using their 48v 
remote power supply, it could be worth asking.  We have not purchased or used 
the product so we don’t have anything to share other than we thought it was a 
nice small design that had all the bits we needed.

https://www.berktek.us/eservice/US-en_US/navigate_370831/PowerGIG_OAC_Fully_Managed_and_Hardened_Gigabit_PoE_Switch.html

https://marketing.berktek.us/acton/attachment/2338/f-1768bcfd-ad84-45f3-ac9c-0dbab9a15f83/1/-/-/-/-/BSP0404.B_PowerGIG-FMK_Installation_Guide.pdf?sid=TV2:Jev9BdPwU


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Ricardo Stella 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 1:21 PM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor 
wifi access point mounting example photos


One of our reqs when we added outdoor units, was to light up a couple of 
parking lots. Trenching at the time was cost prohibitive. We used AP-277 with 
external antennas as a mesh portal, and two AP-275 as mesh points, mounted in 
light poles. We use 5ghz for the mesh, and 2.4ghz for client access on both the 
portal and mesh units.

But the poles were powered remotely on a timer so we used Solis Energy 
Continuous Power Bridges. These boxes have a battery that gets recharged at 
night when the lights are on, and then they seamlessly switch to battery power 
during the day without interruption. 
https://solisenergy.com/product/continuous-power-bridge/




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:27 PM Blake Brown 
mailto:blake.br...@mhcc.edu>> wrote:
How are you providing AC/DC power and are these setup in a mesh configuration 
or wired back into the network?

Thanks,
Blake
Sent from my cell phone


On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Smith, Nayef 
mailto:nayef.z.sm...@emory.edu>> wrote:
 External Email
Thanks Ricardo.  I agree with your observation regarding limited options. We’ve 
deployed the x75s using the nearest utility poles up to this point and painted 
them. We’re now challenged with providing service to our main quad with few 
utilities structures and buildings with specialized exterior surfaces.  The 
“bee hives” just aren’t subtle.

Nayef

Nayef Z Smith
Emory University - Network Services
404-727-6019

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Ricardo Stella mailto:ste...@rider.edu>>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:47:45 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point 
mounting example photos


When you mention "minimizing visual impact" you reduce your options big time. 
Basically for this, my suggestion is to use NEMA enclosures for the AP. For 
Aruba, you could use AP-367 for example (not sure which are the 500 equivalent) 
which can be mounted horizontally and don't require antennas. Otherwise you 
would need an enclosure for the AP and another one for the external antennas. 
The enclosures can be painted to somewhat match the exterior color.

Otherwise, omni units will need an arm that extends out, and the AP hanging 
below it. Aruvb's x75 units look like a bucket. x65 units are narrow but also 
hang below.

You can always hide them like Disney does. Except in Galaxy's Edge..




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Hales, David 
mailto:dha...@tntech.edu>> wrote:

We had a really good thread about this a while back, The subject line was 
“Aruba AP-3XX mounting question” and it was last July in case anyone wants to 
look in the old digests.  I’m forwarding you a copy of the thread directly.



David Hales

Network Systems Administrator

Information Technology Services

1010 N. Peachtree

Clement Hall 117

Cookeville, TN 38505

P 931-372-3983

F 931-372-6130

E dha...@tntech.edu

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

[Tim Cappalli]

It should not affect 802.1X outside of potential database bloat if your policy 
engine stores MAC addresses.

I honestly can’t remember if it was enabled for existing saved networks post 
upgrade. Will be interesting to hear others experiences.

tim

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 18:16
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
This is all fascinating, I’m looking forward to getting my hands on a public 
beta.

Those “in the know” ... does this impact 1x networks as well as open? It seems 
that if you’re connecting with credentials, there’s already a trust 
relationship in place.

And is the feature enabled for networks that were configured before upgrading 
to iOS 14?

Fun times,

Norman Elton



On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 2:55 PM Rios, Hector J 
mailto:hector.r...@austin.utexas.edu>> wrote:
I just finished reading the “Apple Beta Software Program Agreement”. 
Interesting information:

“Don’t blog, post screen shots, tweet, or publicly post information about the 
public beta software, and don’t discuss the public beta software with or 
demonstrate it to others who are not in the Apple Beta Software Program.”

So, I need everyone to sign up to the beta software program so we can continue 
this conversation (J/K)

Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
The University of Texas at Austin



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Tim Cappalli
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:06 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

 Yeah, good catch Chris! I’d be interested in seeing some field data as well. 
The only info I saw was that it changed every 24 hours, but it sounds like 
there’s a * which indicates inactivity / not associated.

It makes much more sense that it wouldn’t change if the device maintains an 
active connection as there are really no privacy concerns until the device 
disconnects and moves.

tim

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 13:15
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
Tim had mentioned the following: “On iOS 14, the MAC is set per ESSID and is 
changed once every 24 hours.”

Chris then mentioned that he found one iOS 14 device that, as long as it 
remains connected, the MAC remains the same, even beyond 24hrs.

Has anyone else done testing? Please share your results.

Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
The University of Texas at Austin



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Johnson, Christopher
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 10:19 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

Default behavior matters indeed. Got a preview of what to expect over the 
weekend.

Found one individual that was in Aruba Airwave “12 Times” for their iPhone 14.0 
over past couple of weeks and another “6 times”. It appears that as long as the 
device remains “connected” to the network beyond the 24 hours, the MAC Address 
will remain the same. Although if they’re fully de-authenticated or move say 
into an elevator or outside (or a class phone reboot occurs in the pocket) – 
then the MAC Address will update upon establishing a new connection – that is 
just the initial observation I saw.
Christopher Johnson
Wireless Network Engineer
Office of Technology Solutions | Illinois State University
(309) 438-8444

Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on 
Facebook
 and 
Twitter
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:36 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

[Norman Elton]

This is all fascinating, I’m looking forward to getting my hands on a
public beta.

Those “in the know” ... does this impact 1x networks as well as open? It
seems that if you’re connecting with credentials, there’s already a trust
relationship in place.

And is the feature enabled for networks that were configured before
upgrading to iOS 14?

Fun times,

Norman Elton



On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 2:55 PM Rios, Hector J <
hector.r...@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:

> I just finished reading the “Apple Beta Software Program Agreement”.
> Interesting information:
>
>
>
> “Don’t blog, post screen shots, tweet, or publicly post information about
> the public beta software, and don’t discuss the public beta software with
> or demonstrate it to others who are not in the Apple Beta Software Program.”
>
>
>
> So, I need everyone to sign up to the beta software program so we can
> continue this conversation (J/K)
>
>
>
> Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
>
> The University of Texas at Austin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Tim Cappalli
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:06 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
>  Yeah, good catch Chris! I’d be interested in seeing some field data as
> well. The only info I saw was that it changed every 24 hours, but it sounds
> like there’s a * which indicates inactivity / not associated.
>
>
>
> It makes much more sense that it wouldn’t change if the device maintains
> an active connection as there are really no privacy concerns until the
> device disconnects and moves.
>
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 13:15
> *To: *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
> Tim had mentioned the following: “On iOS 14, the MAC is set per ESSID and
> is changed once every 24 hours.”
>
>
>
> Chris then mentioned that he found one iOS 14 device that, as long as it
> remains connected, the MAC remains the same, even beyond 24hrs.
>
>
>
> Has anyone else done testing? Please share your results.
>
>
>
> Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
>
> The University of Texas at Austin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Johnson, Christopher
> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2020 10:19 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> Default behavior matters indeed. Got a preview of what to expect over the
> weekend.
>
>
>
> Found one individual that was in Aruba Airwave “12 Times” for their iPhone
> 14.0 over past couple of weeks and another “6 times”. It appears that as
> long as the device remains “connected” to the network beyond the 24 hours,
> the MAC Address will remain the same. Although if they’re fully
> de-authenticated or move say into an elevator or outside (or a class phone
> reboot occurs in the pocket) – then the MAC Address will update upon
> establishing a new connection – that is just the initial observation I saw.
>
> *Christopher Johnson*
> Wireless Network Engineer
> Office of Technology Solutions | Illinois State University
> (309) 438-8444
>
> Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on Facebook
> 
> and Twitter
> 
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Enfield, Chuck
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:36 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> *[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to
> ab...@ilstu.edu ] *
>
> True, but default behavior matters.
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Rios, Hector J
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:12 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> Please note that MAC randomization is not just a feature of Android and
> iOS. It is supported across other operating 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

[Rios, Hector J]

I just finished reading the “Apple Beta Software Program Agreement”. 
Interesting information:

“Don’t blog, post screen shots, tweet, or publicly post information about the 
public beta software, and don’t discuss the public beta software with or 
demonstrate it to others who are not in the Apple Beta Software Program.”

So, I need everyone to sign up to the beta software program so we can continue 
this conversation (J/K)

Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
The University of Texas at Austin



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Tim Cappalli
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:06 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

 Yeah, good catch Chris! I’d be interested in seeing some field data as well. 
The only info I saw was that it changed every 24 hours, but it sounds like 
there’s a * which indicates inactivity / not associated.

It makes much more sense that it wouldn’t change if the device maintains an 
active connection as there are really no privacy concerns until the device 
disconnects and moves.

tim

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 13:15
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
Tim had mentioned the following: “On iOS 14, the MAC is set per ESSID and is 
changed once every 24 hours.”

Chris then mentioned that he found one iOS 14 device that, as long as it 
remains connected, the MAC remains the same, even beyond 24hrs.

Has anyone else done testing? Please share your results.

Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
The University of Texas at Austin



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Johnson, Christopher
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 10:19 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

Default behavior matters indeed. Got a preview of what to expect over the 
weekend.

Found one individual that was in Aruba Airwave “12 Times” for their iPhone 14.0 
over past couple of weeks and another “6 times”. It appears that as long as the 
device remains “connected” to the network beyond the 24 hours, the MAC Address 
will remain the same. Although if they’re fully de-authenticated or move say 
into an elevator or outside (or a class phone reboot occurs in the pocket) – 
then the MAC Address will update upon establishing a new connection – that is 
just the initial observation I saw.
Christopher Johnson
Wireless Network Engineer
Office of Technology Solutions | Illinois State University
(309) 438-8444

Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on 
Facebook
 and 
Twitter
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:36 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to 
ab...@ilstu.edu]
True, but default behavior matters.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Rios, Hector J
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:12 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

Please note that MAC randomization is not just a feature of Android and iOS. It 
is supported across other operating systems.

Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
The University of Texas at Austin



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:32 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

For those of us using ClearPass to authenticate users to eduroam, does this 
mean that every iOS device will get registered as a new 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

[Tim Cappalli]

 Yeah, good catch Chris! I’d be interested in seeing some field data as well. 
The only info I saw was that it changed every 24 hours, but it sounds like 
there’s a * which indicates inactivity / not associated.

It makes much more sense that it wouldn’t change if the device maintains an 
active connection as there are really no privacy concerns until the device 
disconnects and moves.

tim

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 13:15
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
Tim had mentioned the following: “On iOS 14, the MAC is set per ESSID and is 
changed once every 24 hours.”

Chris then mentioned that he found one iOS 14 device that, as long as it 
remains connected, the MAC remains the same, even beyond 24hrs.

Has anyone else done testing? Please share your results.

Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
The University of Texas at Austin



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Johnson, Christopher
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 10:19 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

Default behavior matters indeed. Got a preview of what to expect over the 
weekend.

Found one individual that was in Aruba Airwave “12 Times” for their iPhone 14.0 
over past couple of weeks and another “6 times”. It appears that as long as the 
device remains “connected” to the network beyond the 24 hours, the MAC Address 
will remain the same. Although if they’re fully de-authenticated or move say 
into an elevator or outside (or a class phone reboot occurs in the pocket) – 
then the MAC Address will update upon establishing a new connection – that is 
just the initial observation I saw.
Christopher Johnson
Wireless Network Engineer
Office of Technology Solutions | Illinois State University
(309) 438-8444

Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on 
Facebook
 and 
Twitter
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:36 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to 
ab...@ilstu.edu]
True, but default behavior matters.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Rios, Hector J
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:12 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

Please note that MAC randomization is not just a feature of Android and iOS. It 
is supported across other operating systems.

Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
The University of Texas at Austin



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:32 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

For those of us using ClearPass to authenticate users to eduroam, does this 
mean that every iOS device will get registered as a new endpoint every day?  
For others, does your NAC store a client's MAC persistently?  I'm assuming that 
the answer to both is yes.

How can we plan for the impact of that on our databases?  Should we delete all 
iOS and Android devices after 48 hours?  Am I missing something obvious?

Jonathan Miller
Senior Network Analyst
Franklin and Marshall College


On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:37 PM Enfield, Chuck 
mailto:cae...@psu.edu>> wrote:
PS – My plan for supporting our guest network will be to tell any user who 
contacts us with an Apple device that the network is fine and they should 
contact Apple for device support.  I can’t get away with that for our 
enterprise network, but Apple is going to own the guest problem.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 4:34 PM
To: 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point mounting example photos

[Blake Brown]

Thanks!


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Ricardo Stella 

Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 10:21 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor 
wifi access point mounting example photos

External Email


One of our reqs when we added outdoor units, was to light up a couple of 
parking lots. Trenching at the time was cost prohibitive. We used AP-277 with 
external antennas as a mesh portal, and two AP-275 as mesh points, mounted in 
light poles. We use 5ghz for the mesh, and 2.4ghz for client access on both the 
portal and mesh units.

But the poles were powered remotely on a timer so we used Solis Energy 
Continuous Power Bridges. These boxes have a battery that gets recharged at 
night when the lights are on, and then they seamlessly switch to battery power 
during the day without interruption. 
https://solisenergy.com/product/continuous-power-bridge/




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:27 PM Blake Brown 
mailto:blake.br...@mhcc.edu>> wrote:
How are you providing AC/DC power and are these setup in a mesh configuration 
or wired back into the network?

Thanks,
Blake

Sent from my cell phone

On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Smith, Nayef 
mailto:nayef.z.sm...@emory.edu>> wrote:

 External Email

Thanks Ricardo.  I agree with your observation regarding limited options. We’ve 
deployed the x75s using the nearest utility poles up to this point and painted 
them. We’re now challenged with providing service to our main quad with few 
utilities structures and buildings with specialized exterior surfaces.  The 
“bee hives” just aren’t subtle.

Nayef

Nayef Z Smith
Emory University - Network Services
404-727-6019

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
on behalf of Ricardo Stella mailto:ste...@rider.edu>>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:47:45 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>>
Subject: [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point 
mounting example photos


When you mention "minimizing visual impact" you reduce your options big time. 
Basically for this, my suggestion is to use NEMA enclosures for the AP. For 
Aruba, you could use AP-367 for example (not sure which are the 500 equivalent) 
which can be mounted horizontally and don't require antennas. Otherwise you 
would need an enclosure for the AP and another one for the external antennas. 
The enclosures can be painted to somewhat match the exterior color.

Otherwise, omni units will need an arm that extends out, and the AP hanging 
below it. Aruvb's x75 units look like a bucket. x65 units are narrow but also 
hang below.

You can always hide them like Disney does. Except in Galaxy's Edge..




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Hales, David 
mailto:dha...@tntech.edu>> wrote:

We had a really good thread about this a while back, The subject line was 
“Aruba AP-3XX mounting question” and it was last July in case anyone wants to 
look in the old digests.  I’m forwarding you a copy of the thread directly.



David Hales

Network Systems Administrator

Information Technology Services

1010 N. Peachtree

Clement Hall 117

Cookeville, TN 38505

P 931-372-3983

F 931-372-6130

E dha...@tntech.edu

www.tntech.edu/its







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Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 4:22 PM
To: 
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Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point mounting example 
photos



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Hello All,



We are in the process of designing an outdoor wifi deployment utilizing APs 
mounted on building exteriors.  We want to minimize their visual impact where 
possible.  Any photos or lessons learned you can share would be appreciated.  
We're particularly interested to see what others have done to camouflage or 
creatively conceal the mountings to reduce visibility.



Thanks in advance,

Nayef



Nayef Z. 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point mounting example photos

[Ricardo Stella]

One of our reqs when we added outdoor units, was to light up a couple of
parking lots. Trenching at the time was cost prohibitive. We used AP-277
with external antennas as a mesh portal, and two AP-275 as mesh points,
mounted in light poles. We use 5ghz for the mesh, and 2.4ghz for client
access on both the portal and mesh units.

But the poles were powered remotely on a timer so we used Solis
Energy Continuous Power Bridges. These boxes have a battery that gets
recharged at night when the lights are on, and then they seamlessly switch
to battery power during the day without interruption.
https://solisenergy.com/product/continuous-power-bridge/




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:27 PM Blake Brown  wrote:

> How are you providing AC/DC power and are these setup in a mesh
> configuration or wired back into the network?
>
> Thanks,
> Blake
>
> Sent from my cell phone
>
> On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Smith, Nayef  wrote:
>
>  *External Email*
>
> Thanks Ricardo.  I agree with your observation regarding limited options.
> We’ve deployed the x75s using the nearest utility poles up to this point
> and painted them. We’re now challenged with providing service to our main
> quad with few utilities structures and buildings with specialized exterior
> surfaces.  The “bee hives” just aren’t subtle.
>
> Nayef
>
> Nayef Z Smith
> Emory University - Network Services
> 404-727-6019
> --
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Ricardo Stella <
> ste...@rider.edu>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2020 8:47:45 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject:* [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access
> point mounting example photos
>
>
> When you mention "minimizing visual impact" you reduce your options big
> time. Basically for this, my suggestion is to use NEMA enclosures for the
> AP. For Aruba, you could use AP-367 for example (not sure which are the 500
> equivalent) which can be mounted horizontally and don't require antennas.
> Otherwise you would need an enclosure for the AP and another one for the
> external antennas. The enclosures can be painted to somewhat match the
> exterior color.
>
> Otherwise, omni units will need an arm that extends out, and the AP
> hanging below it. Aruvb's x75 units look like a bucket. x65 units are
> narrow but also hang below.
>
> You can always hide them like Disney does. Except in Galaxy's Edge..
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Hales, David  wrote:
>
> We had a really good thread about this a while back, The subject line was
> “Aruba AP-3XX mounting question” and it was last July in case anyone wants
> to look in the old digests.  I’m forwarding you a copy of the thread
> directly.
>
>
>
> *David Hales*
>
> *Network Systems Administrator*
>
> *Information Technology Services*
>
> 1010 N. Peachtree
>
> Clement Hall 117
>
> Cookeville, TN 38505
>
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>
> *F* 931-372-6130
>
> *E* *dha...@tntech.edu* 
>
> *www.tntech.edu/its*
> 
>
>
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> APs mounted on building exteriors.  We want to minimize their visual impact
> where possible.  Any photos or lessons learned you can share would be
> appreciated.  We're particularly interested to see what others have done to
> camouflage or creatively conceal the mountings to reduce visibility.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Nayef
>
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

[Rios, Hector J]

Tim had mentioned the following: “On iOS 14, the MAC is set per ESSID and is 
changed once every 24 hours.”

Chris then mentioned that he found one iOS 14 device that, as long as it 
remains connected, the MAC remains the same, even beyond 24hrs.

Has anyone else done testing? Please share your results.

Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
The University of Texas at Austin



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Johnson, Christopher
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 10:19 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

Default behavior matters indeed. Got a preview of what to expect over the 
weekend.

Found one individual that was in Aruba Airwave “12 Times” for their iPhone 14.0 
over past couple of weeks and another “6 times”. It appears that as long as the 
device remains “connected” to the network beyond the 24 hours, the MAC Address 
will remain the same. Although if they’re fully de-authenticated or move say 
into an elevator or outside (or a class phone reboot occurs in the pocket) – 
then the MAC Address will update upon establishing a new connection – that is 
just the initial observation I saw.
Christopher Johnson
Wireless Network Engineer
Office of Technology Solutions | Illinois State University
(309) 438-8444

Stay connected with ISU IT news and tips with @ISU IT Help on 
Facebook and 
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:36 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to 
ab...@ilstu.edu]
True, but default behavior matters.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Rios, Hector J
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:12 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

Please note that MAC randomization is not just a feature of Android and iOS. It 
is supported across other operating systems.

Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
The University of Texas at Austin



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:32 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

For those of us using ClearPass to authenticate users to eduroam, does this 
mean that every iOS device will get registered as a new endpoint every day?  
For others, does your NAC store a client's MAC persistently?  I'm assuming that 
the answer to both is yes.

How can we plan for the impact of that on our databases?  Should we delete all 
iOS and Android devices after 48 hours?  Am I missing something obvious?

Jonathan Miller
Senior Network Analyst
Franklin and Marshall College


On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:37 PM Enfield, Chuck 
mailto:cae...@psu.edu>> wrote:
PS – My plan for supporting our guest network will be to tell any user who 
contacts us with an Apple device that the network is fine and they should 
contact Apple for device support.  I can’t get away with that for our 
enterprise network, but Apple is going to own the guest problem.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 4:34 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

My point wasn’t to debate Passpoint either.  I’m wondering if Apple actually 
has a plan, and if so, if they’ve bothered to tell anybody.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Tim Cappalli
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 4:22 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...

Passpoint is not just about mobile network operators. Any identity provider can 
provision a Passpoint profile. That is the whole drive behind OpenRoaming. The 
industry goal is that every user has at least 2 Passpoint profiles on their 
devices: one tied to their enterprise/school identity and the other tied to a 
personal identity. The traditional enterprise/school onboarding process stays 
largely the same, except some additional Passpoint logic is added.

Mobile network operators / cell providers are only one (optional) piece of the 
puzzle.

RE: Icing ISE 2.1 but where to jump

[Jeff Obrizok]

I recently upgraded (finally) our 2.4 patch 11 to 2.7 patch 1.  I ran into a 
few issues but nothing that could not be resolved.  In ISE 2.6/2.6 they changed 
the way ISE communicates with each other from UDP to their "ISE messaging 
service".  My upgrade had problems with this so health status and live logs 
disappear.  This is not service impacting, but can be alarming.  If you run 
into this because you did not previously run the Internal ISE CA, you can 
temporarily disable this by going to "Administration -> logging , and then 
uncheck the "Use "ISE Messaging Service" for UDP Syslogs delivery to MnT" which 
will allow for communication again.  A TAC request will resolve the initial 
problem if you do not want to do it on your own.

  *   Administration -> Certificates -> Certificate Authority -> Internal CA 
Settings.  Enable the Certificate Authority. Go back to Certificate Management 
-> Certificate Signing Requests and then "Generate Certificate Signing Requests 
(CSR)" and select "Certificate(s) will be used for" "ISE Root CA" which should 
form the correct ISE chain within all of the nodes.
 *   This should fix the problem and should not service impacting, but 
again, you might want to check with TAC to feel more comfortable doing this.

I did need to rebuild a node or two due to the upgrade not working properly, 
but in a multi-node cluster this was not a show stopper.  Other than that, 
things went well.

If you have any questions feel free to email me directly.

Jeff

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Ciesinski, Nick
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 4:02 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Icing ISE 2.1 but where to jump


[EXTERNAL EMAIL]
ISE 2.7 is a stable release. Cisco released very few new features and instead 
focused a lot of bug fixes in 2.6 and 2.7.

I'd for sure recommend patch 1 as well as it fixes a display issue with the 
live logs for failed authentications.

Nick

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mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
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<00f864c74f72-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:18:00 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Icing ISE 2.1 but where to jump

EXTERNAL EMAIL
We are having to leave our ISE 2.1 servers, in favor a of a supported release. 
Cisco is recommending 2.7 patch 1 (for whatever that's worth). Anybody got any 
experience good or bad with said release? FWIW we just use it for RADIUS.
Thanks Bruce

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point mounting example photos

[Blake Brown]

Excellent… thanks!

~Blake


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of "Cassels, Lawson" 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 

Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 9:51 AM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor 
wifi access point mounting example photos

External Email
If you are able to trench fiber to the AP locations, consider doing 
hybrid/powered fiber. It combines 2 or more single mode fiber strands with 
large gauge copper conductors. You can push up to 120W of PoE through it and 30 
watts will reach well over 3,000 feet from your head-end.
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/networking-systems/powered-fiber-cable-systems/hybrid-cables/
Hybrid Cables | 
CommScope
Together, we are making the future possible. CommScope solutions work best when 
they are designed, delivered, configured and installed by our global partner 
network.
www.commscope.com


You'd pair it with a hardened 48-57V SFP switch like the Altronix NetWaySP3B.
https://www.altronix.com/library/pdf/downloads/NetWaySpectrumBrochure0517web.pdf

We use these to power Aruba AP-275/277 units and they can power multiple APs if 
you are under 3,000 feet. I will warn that the web interface on the switch is 
glitchy (it's basically a dumb switch though, so no need for the web interface 
unless you are curious) and you will need a dedicated or at least clean 
electrical circuit for the card's power supplies (we blew PoE chips on those 
cards left and right until we realized that our power circuit was shared with a 
dehumidifier and two industrial garage door openers on the opposite side of the 
building. Altronix was incredibly generous with free repairs while we worked 
through this.)

Lawson Cassels
Illinois State University


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Blake Brown 

Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:27 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor 
wifi access point mounting example photos

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to 
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How are you providing AC/DC power and are these setup in a mesh configuration 
or wired back into the network?

Thanks,
Blake
Sent from my cell phone


On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Smith, Nayef  wrote:
External Email
Thanks Ricardo.  I agree with your observation regarding limited options. We’ve 
deployed the x75s using the nearest utility poles up to this point and painted 
them. We’re now challenged with providing service to our main quad with few 
utilities structures and buildings with specialized exterior surfaces.  The 
“bee hives” just aren’t subtle.

Nayef

Nayef Z Smith
Emory University - Network Services
404-727-6019

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Ricardo Stella 

Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:47:45 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point 
mounting example photos


When you mention "minimizing visual impact" you reduce your options big time. 
Basically for this, my suggestion is to use NEMA enclosures for the AP. For 
Aruba, you could use AP-367 for example (not sure which are the 500 equivalent) 
which can be mounted horizontally and don't require antennas. Otherwise you 
would need an enclosure for the AP and another one for the external antennas. 
The enclosures can be painted to somewhat match the exterior color.

Otherwise, omni units will need an arm that extends out, and the AP hanging 
below it. Aruvb's x75 units look like a bucket. x65 units are narrow but also 
hang below.

You can always hide them like Disney does. Except in Galaxy's Edge..




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Hales, David 
mailto:dha...@tntech.edu>> wrote:

We had a really good thread about this a while back, The subject line was 
“Aruba AP-3XX mounting question” and it was last July in case anyone wants to 
look in the old digests.  I’m forwarding you a copy of the thread directly.



David Hales

Network Systems Administrator

Information Technology Services

1010 N. Peachtree

Clement Hall 117

Cookeville, TN 38505

P 931-372-3983

F 931-372-6130

E dha...@tntech.edu

www.tntech.edu/its

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point mounting example photos

[Cassels, Lawson]

If you are able to trench fiber to the AP locations, consider doing 
hybrid/powered fiber. It combines 2 or more single mode fiber strands with 
large gauge copper conductors. You can push up to 120W of PoE through it and 30 
watts will reach well over 3,000 feet from your head-end.
https://www.commscope.com/product-type/networking-systems/powered-fiber-cable-systems/hybrid-cables/
Hybrid Cables | 
CommScope
Together, we are making the future possible. CommScope solutions work best when 
they are designed, delivered, configured and installed by our global partner 
network.
www.commscope.com


You'd pair it with a hardened 48-57V SFP switch like the Altronix NetWaySP3B.
https://www.altronix.com/library/pdf/downloads/NetWaySpectrumBrochure0517web.pdf

We use these to power Aruba AP-275/277 units and they can power multiple APs if 
you are under 3,000 feet. I will warn that the web interface on the switch is 
glitchy (it's basically a dumb switch though, so no need for the web interface 
unless you are curious) and you will need a dedicated or at least clean 
electrical circuit for the card's power supplies (we blew PoE chips on those 
cards left and right until we realized that our power circuit was shared with a 
dehumidifier and two industrial garage door openers on the opposite side of the 
building. Altronix was incredibly generous with free repairs while we worked 
through this.)

Lawson Cassels
Illinois State University


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Blake Brown 

Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:27 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor 
wifi access point mounting example photos

[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to 
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How are you providing AC/DC power and are these setup in a mesh configuration 
or wired back into the network?

Thanks,
Blake

Sent from my cell phone

On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:20 PM, Smith, Nayef  wrote:

 External Email

Thanks Ricardo.  I agree with your observation regarding limited options. We’ve 
deployed the x75s using the nearest utility poles up to this point and painted 
them. We’re now challenged with providing service to our main quad with few 
utilities structures and buildings with specialized exterior surfaces.  The 
“bee hives” just aren’t subtle.

Nayef

Nayef Z Smith
Emory University - Network Services
404-727-6019

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Ricardo Stella 

Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:47:45 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: [External] Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Request for outdoor wifi access point 
mounting example photos


When you mention "minimizing visual impact" you reduce your options big time. 
Basically for this, my suggestion is to use NEMA enclosures for the AP. For 
Aruba, you could use AP-367 for example (not sure which are the 500 equivalent) 
which can be mounted horizontally and don't require antennas. Otherwise you 
would need an enclosure for the AP and another one for the external antennas. 
The enclosures can be painted to somewhat match the exterior color.

Otherwise, omni units will need an arm that extends out, and the AP hanging 
below it. Aruvb's x75 units look like a bucket. x65 units are narrow but also 
hang below.

You can always hide them like Disney does. Except in Galaxy's Edge..




On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Hales, David 
mailto:dha...@tntech.edu>> wrote:

We had a really good thread about this a while back, The subject line was 
“Aruba AP-3XX mounting question” and it was last July in case anyone wants to 
look in the old digests.  I’m forwarding you a copy of the thread directly.



David Hales

Network Systems Administrator

Information Technology Services

1010 N. Peachtree

Clement Hall 117

Cookeville, TN 38505

P 931-372-3983

F 931-372-6130

E dha...@tntech.edu

www.tntech.edu/its







From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Smith, Nayef
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 4:22 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Label Barcode Scan App

[Bryan Ward]

https://barcodetopc.com/ is what I use

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Ricardo Stella
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 3:21 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Label Barcode Scan App


I only scan the MAC address since the controller takes care of the others 
(Aruba) with Scanner by Vend.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/scanner-by-vend/id1100131368

It can integrate with their inventory system but I don’t use that. Scan a bunch 
of AP and you can edit the record and enter the name. This produces a CSV that 
I then save or email.  I use a script to then provision these.

Scandit supposedly can scan multiple barcodes in one shot. But never tried it.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/scandit-barcode-scanner/id453880584

These two are for iOS..

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On Jul 16, 2020, at 4:31 PM, Mike Tavares (miketava) 
<01b8648cd181-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
 wrote:

From OSX or Windows based Excel application you just need a USB Barcode 
Scanner, click on the cell in excel and scan… 
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=barcode+scanner+to+excel=77859296782596=bb=c=p=mh0b-20=pd_sl_2mwqueyims_b

Regards,
Mike

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Floyd, Brad
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 4:21 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Label Barcode Scan App

Can anyone recommend an application that could scan 3 barcodes (AP serial 
number, wired MAC address, and BLE MAC address) on a single AP label and dump 
each scan to a row in a comma delimited file or a row in an Excel spreadsheet? 
Android or IOS via camera scanning would be fine. Free would be great.
Thanks,
Brad


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