Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

[Christina Klam]

Frank, 

That reminds me of a failed project I gave our summer students a few years 
back. I asked the students take reference photos of the APs so that we can an 
idea of where exactly in a room an AP was located. At the end of the summer, I 
had 400 photos of APs. Not photos of area/rooms with the APs. Just the APs. 
LOL. That project was a wash. 

Christina Klam 
Network Engineer 
Institute for Advanced Study 
1 Einstein Dr 
Princeton, NJ 08540 
(m) +1 609-751-7899 
(o) +1 609-734-8154 
ck...@ias.edu 



From: "Sweetser, Frank E."  
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Having someone go out and put eyes on all of the hardware is also a great 
chance to check for physical damage – broken mounts, evidence of water leaks, 
and so on. For extra points, have them take a couple of pictures of each AP for 
future reference, and to help find any of the more hidden ones. 




Frank Sweetser 
Director of Network Operations 
Worcester Polytechnic Institute 
"For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and wrong." - 
HL Mencken 





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To the point of "hours of remapping everything", we were very successful 
leveraging intern/work study for this type of work several years ago. When we 
have to do this again, i'll be running the same playbook. 4-6 student workers 
knocked it out over the summer. You can do something similar over the school 
year, but it will likely take a little longer. They enjoyed the work including 
the opportunity to visit locations and do site surveys as needed. 





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All, 


For the upteenth time, we will need to re-map all of our access points in a 
Cisco GUI. Originally they were in Prime. Then we got DNAC and were told to 
migrate them there. But, just found out that you cannot export the mappings 
(blank maps yes, mappings no) from DNACv1 to DNACv2. And as the sync is only 
one way, Prime to DNAC, we cannot seamlessly return to Prime. 





Until Cisco gets their act together, we will do the re-mapping in Prime and 
have that be our source of truth. My question to the community is this. How do 
you handle the AP placement mappings? If there is a better way that manually 
dragging the images to the proper location, I would love to hear it. I see that 
you can use GPS coordinates but how can you get accurate coordinates inside a 
building? Ideally, I would like to create a spreadsheet of AP and locations and 
then upload it to said system. This way if Prime database gets corrupted (which 
has happened) or DNACv2-v3 also is not seamless, we do not have to spend the 
hours remapping everything ... again. 





Christina Klam 
Network Engineer 
Institute for Advanced Study 
1 Einstein Dr 
Princeton, NJ 08540 
(m) +1 609-751-7899 
(o) +1 609-734-8154 
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RE: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

[Sweetser, Frank E.]

Having someone go out and put eyes on all of the hardware is also a great 
chance to check for physical damage - broken mounts, evidence of water leaks, 
and so on.  For extra points, have them take a couple of pictures of each AP 
for future reference, and to help find any of the more hidden ones.

Frank Sweetser
Director of Network Operations
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
"For every problem, there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and wrong." - 
HL Mencken

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Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 10:06 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

To the point of "hours of remapping everything", we were very successful 
leveraging intern/work study for this type of work several years ago.  When we 
have to do this again, i'll be running the same playbook.  4-6 student workers 
knocked it out over the summer.  You can do something similar over the school 
year, but it will likely take a little longer.  They enjoyed the work including 
the opportunity to visit locations and do site surveys as needed.

Nayef Z. Smith | Network Services | Voice: 404-727-6019


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Subject: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

All,
For the upteenth time, we will need to re-map all of our access points in a 
Cisco GUI.   Originally they were in Prime.  Then we got DNAC and were told to 
migrate them there.  But, just found out that you cannot export the mappings 
(blank maps yes, mappings no) from DNACv1 to DNACv2.   And as the sync is only 
one way, Prime to DNAC, we cannot seamlessly return to Prime.

Until Cisco gets their act together, we will do the re-mapping in Prime and 
have that be our source of truth.   My question to the community is this.   How 
do you handle the AP placement mappings?   If there is a better way that 
manually dragging the images to the proper location, I would love to hear it.   
I see that you can use GPS coordinates but how can you get accurate coordinates 
inside a building?   Ideally, I would like to create a spreadsheet of AP and 
locations and then upload it to said system.  This way if Prime database gets 
corrupted (which has happened) or DNACv2-v3 also is not seamless, we do not 
have to spend the hours remapping everything ... again.

Christina Klam
Network Engineer
Institute for Advanced Study
1 Einstein Dr
Princeton, NJ 08540
(m) +1 609-751-7899
(o) +1 609-734-8154
ck...@ias.edu<mailto:ck...@ias.edu>

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

[Christina Klam]

My complaint about DNAC migration limitation was incorrect. The specialist at 
Cisco was wrong. The Cisco Developer team for this part of DNAC set us 
straight. The latest version of DNAC does, in fact, allow the export of 
populate maps into either Prime or Ekahau using the x/y coordinates mentioned 
below. I tested this out and it worked for all but one of our sites (The 
largest academic site is the one it failed on. The Cisco developers were 
notified and are on the case). I am so relieved. I will have the students 
finish the mappings and then run the export. 

Thank you everyone for the discussion. I am looking now into adding Ekahau if 
we can find the money. 
Christina Klam 
Network Engineer 
Institute for Advanced Study 
1 Einstein Dr 
Princeton, NJ 08540 
(m) +1 609-751-7899 
(o) +1 609-734-8154 
ck...@ias.edu 



From: "Curtis K. Larsen"  
To: "The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv" 
 
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 10:59:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs 

We do AP placements, (and more) in Ekahau. It imports nicely into DNAC (with a 
rare horizontal to vertical map flipping problem that we are working on with 
Cisco). Since Cisco has done the work to map from ekahau .json files with x,y 
coordinates and AP names and model numbers - it seems logical that they can 
also go the other way (export from DNAC to Ekahau). We are working with some 
programming resources from Cisco on this right now. Our goal is to be able to 
use Ekahau reports for cable installers, and AP name configuration then import 
to DNAC and then export at anytime from DNAC to Ekahau to generate a new 
installation report complete with x,y coordinates, AP Names and model numbers. 
I think we will achieve this goal soon. Once that happens - only adjustments to 
existing buildings require moving APs on any maps -never one for one placements 
again. 

Thanks, 





-- 
Curtis K. Larsen 
Wireless Network Engineer III 
Infrastructure Ops 
The University of Utah 
Office 801-587-1313 
Mobile 801-425-7528 


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Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:05 AM 
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU  
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs 
To the point of "hours of remapping everything", we were very successful 
leveraging intern/work study for this type of work several years ago. When we 
have to do this again, i'll be running the same playbook. 4-6 student workers 
knocked it out over the summer. You can do something similar over the school 
year, but it will likely take a little longer. They enjoyed the work including 
the opportunity to visit locations and do site surveys as needed. 

Nayef Z. Smith | Network Services | Voice: 404-727-6019 



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Christina Klam 
 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 2:52 PM 
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU  
Subject: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs 
All, 
For the upteenth time, we will need to re-map all of our access points in a 
Cisco GUI. Originally they were in Prime. Then we got DNAC and were told to 
migrate them there. But, just found out that you cannot export the mappings 
(blank maps yes, mappings no) from DNACv1 to DNACv2. And as the sync is only 
one way, Prime to DNAC, we cannot seamlessly return to Prime. 

Until Cisco gets their act together, we will do the re-mapping in Prime and 
have that be our source of truth. My question to the community is this. How do 
you handle the AP placement mappings? If there is a better way that manually 
dragging the images to the proper location, I would love to hear it. I see that 
you can use GPS coordinates but how can you get accurate coordinates inside a 
building? Ideally, I would like to create a spreadsheet of AP and locations and 
then upload it to said system. This way if Prime database gets corrupted (which 
has happened) or DNACv2-v3 also is not seamless, we do not have to spend the 
hours remapping everything ... again. 

Christina Klam 
Network Engineer 
Institute for Advanced Study 
1 Einstein Dr 
Princeton, NJ 08540 
(m) +1 609-751-7899 
(o) +1 609-734-8154 
ck...@ias.edu 



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Re: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

[Curtis K. Larsen]

We do AP placements, (and more) in Ekahau.  It imports nicely into DNAC (with a 
rare horizontal to vertical map flipping problem that we are working on with 
Cisco).  Since Cisco has done the work to map from ekahau .json files with x,y 
coordinates and AP names and model numbers - it seems logical that they can 
also go the other way (export from DNAC to Ekahau).  We are working with some 
programming resources from Cisco on this right now.  Our goal is to be able to 
use Ekahau reports for cable installers, and AP name configuration then import 
to DNAC and then export at anytime from DNAC to Ekahau to generate a new 
installation report complete with x,y coordinates, AP Names and model numbers.  
I think we will achieve this goal soon.  Once that happens - only adjustments 
to existing buildings require moving APs on any maps -never one for one 
placements again.

Thanks,



--
Curtis K. Larsen
Wireless Network Engineer III
Infrastructure Ops
The University of Utah
Office 801-587-1313
Mobile 801-425-7528


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Smith, Nayef 

Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 8:05 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

To the point of "hours of remapping everything", we were very successful 
leveraging intern/work study for this type of work several years ago.  When we 
have to do this again, i'll be running the same playbook.  4-6 student workers 
knocked it out over the summer.  You can do something similar over the school 
year, but it will likely take a little longer.  They enjoyed the work including 
the opportunity to visit locations and do site surveys as needed.

Nayef Z. Smith | Network Services | Voice: 404-727-6019

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Christina Klam 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 2:52 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

All,
For the upteenth time, we will need to re-map all of our access points in a 
Cisco GUI.   Originally they were in Prime.  Then we got DNAC and were told to 
migrate them there.  But, just found out that you cannot export the mappings 
(blank maps yes, mappings no) from DNACv1 to DNACv2.   And as the sync is only 
one way, Prime to DNAC, we cannot seamlessly return to Prime.

Until Cisco gets their act together, we will do the re-mapping in Prime and 
have that be our source of truth.   My question to the community is this.   How 
do you handle the AP placement mappings?   If there is a better way that 
manually dragging the images to the proper location, I would love to hear it.   
I see that you can use GPS coordinates but how can you get accurate coordinates 
inside a building?   Ideally, I would like to create a spreadsheet of AP and 
locations and then upload it to said system.  This way if Prime database gets 
corrupted (which has happened) or DNACv2-v3 also is not seamless, we do not 
have to spend the hours remapping everything ... again.

Christina Klam
Network Engineer
Institute for Advanced Study
1 Einstein Dr
Princeton, NJ 08540
(m) +1 609-751-7899
(o) +1 609-734-8154
ck...@ias.edu


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RE: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

[Lee H Badman]

We also did some of this with student help over the years in PI... but the 
results were mixed. I'd say make sure the students thoroughly understand why 
what they are doing is important, trained well on your process, and get checked 
on occasionally for accuracy.

Also- for what these products cost, and the fact that Cisco is now "a software 
company", I'm taken aback that they haven't given customers a better migration 
strategy. Check this up to higher TCO and hidden costs of ownership, says I.



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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Smith, Nayef
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 10:06 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

To the point of "hours of remapping everything", we were very successful 
leveraging intern/work study for this type of work several years ago.  When we 
have to do this again, i'll be running the same playbook.  4-6 student workers 
knocked it out over the summer.  You can do something similar over the school 
year, but it will likely take a little longer.  They enjoyed the work including 
the opportunity to visit locations and do site surveys as needed.

Nayef Z. Smith | Network Services | Voice: 404-727-6019


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Subject: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

All,
For the upteenth time, we will need to re-map all of our access points in a 
Cisco GUI.   Originally they were in Prime.  Then we got DNAC and were told to 
migrate them there.  But, just found out that you cannot export the mappings 
(blank maps yes, mappings no) from DNACv1 to DNACv2.   And as the sync is only 
one way, Prime to DNAC, we cannot seamlessly return to Prime.

Until Cisco gets their act together, we will do the re-mapping in Prime and 
have that be our source of truth.   My question to the community is this.   How 
do you handle the AP placement mappings?   If there is a better way that 
manually dragging the images to the proper location, I would love to hear it.   
I see that you can use GPS coordinates but how can you get accurate coordinates 
inside a building?   Ideally, I would like to create a spreadsheet of AP and 
locations and then upload it to said system.  This way if Prime database gets 
corrupted (which has happened) or DNACv2-v3 also is not seamless, we do not 
have to spend the hours remapping everything ... again.

Christina Klam
Network Engineer
Institute for Advanced Study
1 Einstein Dr
Princeton, NJ 08540
(m) +1 609-751-7899
(o) +1 609-734-8154
ck...@ias.edu<mailto:ck...@ias.edu>

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Re: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

[Smith, Nayef]

To the point of "hours of remapping everything", we were very successful 
leveraging intern/work study for this type of work several years ago.  When we 
have to do this again, i'll be running the same playbook.  4-6 student workers 
knocked it out over the summer.  You can do something similar over the school 
year, but it will likely take a little longer.  They enjoyed the work including 
the opportunity to visit locations and do site surveys as needed.

Nayef Z. Smith | Network Services | Voice: 404-727-6019

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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Christina Klam 
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 2:52 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: [External] [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

All,
For the upteenth time, we will need to re-map all of our access points in a 
Cisco GUI.   Originally they were in Prime.  Then we got DNAC and were told to 
migrate them there.  But, just found out that you cannot export the mappings 
(blank maps yes, mappings no) from DNACv1 to DNACv2.   And as the sync is only 
one way, Prime to DNAC, we cannot seamlessly return to Prime.

Until Cisco gets their act together, we will do the re-mapping in Prime and 
have that be our source of truth.   My question to the community is this.   How 
do you handle the AP placement mappings?   If there is a better way that 
manually dragging the images to the proper location, I would love to hear it.   
I see that you can use GPS coordinates but how can you get accurate coordinates 
inside a building?   Ideally, I would like to create a spreadsheet of AP and 
locations and then upload it to said system.  This way if Prime database gets 
corrupted (which has happened) or DNACv2-v3 also is not seamless, we do not 
have to spend the hours remapping everything ... again.

Christina Klam
Network Engineer
Institute for Advanced Study
1 Einstein Dr
Princeton, NJ 08540
(m) +1 609-751-7899
(o) +1 609-734-8154
ck...@ias.edu


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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

[Jake Snyder]

Is there any kind of Prime > Ekahau > DNAC workflow you can leverage?

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> On Jun 16, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Lee H Badman 
> <00db5b77bd95-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
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> 
> Their a software company now.  
> 
> 
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 6:10 PM
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>  
> And the floor ordering is inverted!  At least CPI let you define the sequence 
> correctly.
> 
> Cisco DNAC — “up is down and down is up!"
> —
> Michael Usher
> Network Operations Manager
> University of California, Santa Cruz
> mus...@ucsc.edu831-459-3697
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 2:37 PM, William Green  wrote:
>> 
>> One of my hot buttons...
>> 
>> We've brought this up with Cisco Product Managers over the years, and they 
>> don't seem to get it.  Perhaps a critical mass on this group could get it 
>> raised in priority.  We've suggested Geographic Information Systems numerous 
>> times.  You would not necessarily need GPS reception inside the building.  
>> Just geo-reference a few exterior corners of a floor plan, and any GIS 
>> system projects specific coordinates as you drop an AP.  I had some grad 
>> students do this with a percentage of our floorplans a decade ago and it all 
>> worked.  Then you should be able to export those and re-import into any 
>> floor plan that is geo-referenced.
>> 
>> Related, Cisco' mapping (DNAC and DNASpaces) is pretty two dimensional, and 
>> doesn't have the concept of a campus with many buildings and many floors to 
>> those buildings.  
>> 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

[Lee H Badman]

Their a software company now.


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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Michael Usher 
<010ef28e43bf-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 6:10 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

And the floor ordering is inverted!  At least CPI let you define the sequence 
correctly.

Cisco DNAC — “up is down and down is up!"
—
Michael Usher
Network Operations Manager
University of California, Santa Cruz
mus...@ucsc.edu<mailto:mus...@ucsc.edu>831-459-3697

On Jun 16, 2021, at 2:37 PM, William Green 
mailto:gr...@austin.utexas.edu>> wrote:

One of my hot buttons...

We've brought this up with Cisco Product Managers over the years, and they 
don't seem to get it.  Perhaps a critical mass on this group could get it 
raised in priority.  We've suggested Geographic Information Systems numerous 
times.  You would not necessarily need GPS reception inside the building.  Just 
geo-reference a few exterior corners of a floor plan, and any GIS system 
projects specific coordinates as you drop an AP.  I had some grad students do 
this with a percentage of our floorplans a decade ago and it all worked.  Then 
you should be able to export those and re-import into any floor plan that is 
geo-referenced.

Related, Cisco' mapping (DNAC and DNASpaces) is pretty two dimensional, and 
doesn't have the concept of a campus with many buildings and many floors to 
those buildings.

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

[Michael Usher]

And the floor ordering is inverted!  At least CPI let you define the sequence 
correctly.

Cisco DNAC — “up is down and down is up!"
—
Michael Usher
Network Operations Manager
University of California, Santa Cruz
mus...@ucsc.edu831-459-3697

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 2:37 PM, William Green  wrote:
> 
> One of my hot buttons...
> 
> We've brought this up with Cisco Product Managers over the years, and they 
> don't seem to get it.  Perhaps a critical mass on this group could get it 
> raised in priority.  We've suggested Geographic Information Systems numerous 
> times.  You would not necessarily need GPS reception inside the building.  
> Just geo-reference a few exterior corners of a floor plan, and any GIS system 
> projects specific coordinates as you drop an AP.  I had some grad students do 
> this with a percentage of our floorplans a decade ago and it all worked.  
> Then you should be able to export those and re-import into any floor plan 
> that is geo-referenced.
> 
> Related, Cisco' mapping (DNAC and DNASpaces) is pretty two dimensional, and 
> doesn't have the concept of a campus with many buildings and many floors to 
> those buildings.  
> 
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Placement mapping of APs

[Michael Usher]

We’ve been trying to “move” building floors in DNACv2, but it’s currently not 
possible.  You have to remove all APs from the floors before you can do it.

I’ve been experimenting with modifying the “network hierarchy export”, but I 
haven’t been able to decode the Java Object encoded file which contains all the 
information — if I could edit that file, I could arbitrarily modify the Network 
Hierarchy and also individual AP placement on floor plans (I think it’s 
recorded as cartesian co-ordinates on the floorpan image).

I’ve put in “Make a Wish” requests for Cisco to improve this, but so far, not 
high on their priority list.

I haven’t really tried digging into the DNAC APIs yet — there might be a 
possibility there.

But overall — it seems to require a lot of coding / reverse engineering.

Michael

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Network Operations Manager
University of California, Santa Cruz
mus...@ucsc.edu831-459-3697

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 11:52 AM, Christina Klam  wrote:
> 
> All,
> For the upteenth time, we will need to re-map all of our access points in a 
> Cisco GUI.   Originally they were in Prime.  Then we got DNAC and were told 
> to migrate them there.  But, just found out that you cannot export the 
> mappings (blank maps yes, mappings no) from DNACv1 to DNACv2.   And as the 
> sync is only one way, Prime to DNAC, we cannot seamlessly return to Prime.
> 
> Until Cisco gets their act together, we will do the re-mapping in Prime and 
> have that be our source of truth.   My question to the community is this.   
> How do you handle the AP placement mappings?   If there is a better way that 
> manually dragging the images to the proper location, I would love to hear it. 
>   I see that you can use GPS coordinates but how can you get accurate 
> coordinates inside a building?   Ideally, I would like to create a 
> spreadsheet of AP and locations and then upload it to said system.  This way 
> if Prime database gets corrupted (which has happened) or DNACv2-v3 also is 
> not seamless, we do not have to spend the hours remapping everything ... 
> again.
> 
> Christina Klam
> Network Engineer
> Institute for Advanced Study
> 1 Einstein Dr
> Princeton, NJ 08540
> (m) +1 609-751-7899
> (o) +1 609-734-8154
> ck...@ias.edu
> 
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