Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi
On Dec 16, 2013, at 06:39 , Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) bosbo...@liberty.edu wrote: Aruba already has their product on the market – the AP93H. http://www.arubanetworks.com/products/access-points/ap-93h/ Biggest difference though is that it’s not dual band. -- Julian Y. Koh Acting Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services Northwestern University Information Technology (NUIT) 2001 Sheridan Road #G-166 Evanston, IL 60208 847-467-5780 NUIT Web Site: http://www.it.northwestern.edu/ PGP Public Key:http://bt.ittns.northwestern.edu/julian/pgppubkey.html ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi
Through contacts at my alma mater, I know they were doing what you describe until this year. This is their first year with a managed wifi deployment. I don't know how happy they are with the new system, but I can tell you they had a lot of complaints under the old method. Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology York College, Nebraska 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu *The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society* On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Barros, Jacob jkbar...@grace.edu wrote: I didn't think this topic would generate that much buzz. Thank you all for your feed back. Allow me to jump tracks here and and throw out a concept that may seem heretical. In res halls, has anyone provided ONLY wired connections and allowed students to bring in their own router(s). From a managed perspective, there are several reasons why it's a bad idea. However I cannot shake the notion that with proper education, the rewards might outweigh the risks. To me, the target reward is that the student receives the level of service they want where they want it. The user can chose what device is desired and upgrade as they see fit and the technology is always current. IT would help with best practices, education and limited support but the student is ultimately responsible. I would really like to pitch this for an apartment style dorm that is being built. Does anyone think this model can work? Jake Barros | Network Administrator | Office of Information Technology Grace College and Seminary | Winona Lake, IN | 574.372.5100 x6178 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi
I forgot to add: that institution is about 5000 residential undergrads, about 12 residence halls, and about 40/60 apartment vs dormitory. Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology York College, Nebraska 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu *The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society* On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Coehoorn, Joel jcoeho...@york.edu wrote: Through contacts at my alma mater, I know they were doing what you describe until this year. This is their first year with a managed wifi deployment. I don't know how happy they are with the new system, but I can tell you they had a lot of complaints under the old method. Joel Coehoorn Director of Information Technology York College, Nebraska 402.363.5603 jcoeho...@york.edu *The mission of York College is to transform lives through Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to God, family, and society* On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Barros, Jacob jkbar...@grace.eduwrote: I didn't think this topic would generate that much buzz. Thank you all for your feed back. Allow me to jump tracks here and and throw out a concept that may seem heretical. In res halls, has anyone provided ONLY wired connections and allowed students to bring in their own router(s). From a managed perspective, there are several reasons why it's a bad idea. However I cannot shake the notion that with proper education, the rewards might outweigh the risks. To me, the target reward is that the student receives the level of service they want where they want it. The user can chose what device is desired and upgrade as they see fit and the technology is always current. IT would help with best practices, education and limited support but the student is ultimately responsible. I would really like to pitch this for an apartment style dorm that is being built. Does anyone think this model can work? Jake Barros | Network Administrator | Office of Information Technology Grace College and Seminary | Winona Lake, IN | 574.372.5100 x6178 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi
Sounds like a bad idea.Most SOHO routers/ap's you pick up at bestbuy/fry's run at max Tx power and have lowest supported data-rate of 1Mbps. Your 2.4GHz RF will be likely be unusable. ResHalls are even worse (RF-wise) than apartments, as they are much closer together.Let me know if you'd like me to expand on this but I'd say the following will greatly impact the usability if each suite/room has it's own soho ap:*CCI*ACI (with no channel plan, these devices will be on more than just 1,6,11)*Security (even w/ WPA2-PSK, most of these devices support the broken WPS)My experience is you either pay up-front (in $ or staff-time) to properly survey, or you pay on the back-end in troubleshooting.You are right about Education though. Regardless of the direction you choose, get signage, put it on the welcome packet etc. etc. Setting expectations has helped us a lot, especially when there's a MWO in every room and we are @ 50% 2.4GHz-only clients.Mike AlbanoUNLV-The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU wrote: -To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUFrom: "Barros, Jacob" jkbar...@grace.eduSent by: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUDate: 12/13/2013 09:36AMSubject: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifiI didn't think this topic would generate that much buzz. Thank you all for your feed back. Allow me to jump tracks here and and throw out a concept that may seem heretical. In res halls, has anyone provided ONLY wired connections and allowed students to bring in their own router(s). From a managed perspective, there are several reasons why it's a bad idea. However I cannot shake the notion that with proper education, the rewards might outweigh the risks. To me, the target reward is that the student receives the level of service they want where they want it. The user can chose what device is desired and upgrade as they see fit and the technology is always current. IT would help with best practices, education and limited support but the student is ultimately responsible. I would really like to pitch this for an apartment style dorm that is being built. Does anyone think this model can work?Jake Barros | Network Administrator | Office of Information Technology Grace College and Seminary | Winona Lake, IN | 574.372.5100 x6178 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi
For new residence halls, I would really push the 702W AP. They're not actually out yet, but depending on how far out you are you could still account for them in your plan. If you haven't seen them yet, http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/wireless/ps5678/ps12968/data_sheet_c78-728968.html Each AP is dual band, has a 4 port switch built in. Almost like a SOHO router, but you get the added bonus to be able to manage it through your WLC's, and PoE powered. And at 2dBm at the lowest power level, you can contain the broadcast area. And if your res halls are anything like ours with the walls made of concrete, signals should go beyond each room. Britton Anderson blanders...@alaska.edu | Senior Network Communications Specialist | Office of Information Technology http://www.alaska.edu/oit | 907.450.8250 On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Mike Albano mike.alb...@unlv.edu wrote: Sounds like a bad idea. Most SOHO routers/ap's you pick up at bestbuy/fry's run at max Tx power and have lowest supported data-rate of 1Mbps. Your 2.4GHz RF will be likely be unusable. ResHalls are even worse (RF-wise) than apartments, as they are much closer together. Let me know if you'd like me to expand on this but I'd say the following will greatly impact the usability if each suite/room has it's own soho ap: *CCI *ACI (with no channel plan, these devices will be on more than just 1,6,11) *Security (even w/ WPA2-PSK, most of these devices support the broken WPS) My experience is you either pay up-front (in $ or staff-time) to properly survey, or you pay on the back-end in troubleshooting. You are right about Education though. Regardless of the direction you choose, get signage, put it on the welcome packet etc. etc. Setting expectations has helped us a lot, especially when there's a MWO in every room and we are @ 50% 2.4GHz-only clients. Mike Albano UNLV -The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU wrote: - To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU From: Barros, Jacob jkbar...@grace.edu Sent by: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: 12/13/2013 09:36AM Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] WiFi planning spin-off - Student provided wifi I didn't think this topic would generate that much buzz. Thank you all for your feed back. Allow me to jump tracks here and and throw out a concept that may seem heretical. In res halls, has anyone provided ONLY wired connections and allowed students to bring in their own router(s). From a managed perspective, there are several reasons why it's a bad idea. However I cannot shake the notion that with proper education, the rewards might outweigh the risks. To me, the target reward is that the student receives the level of service they want where they want it. The user can chose what device is desired and upgrade as they see fit and the technology is always current. IT would help with best practices, education and limited support but the student is ultimately responsible. I would really like to pitch this for an apartment style dorm that is being built. Does anyone think this model can work? Jake Barros | Network Administrator | Office of Information Technology Grace College and Seminary | Winona Lake, IN | 574.372.5100 x6178 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
