Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Amazon echo & Google home

2017-04-11 Thread Hinojosa,Rafael
We’ve recently enabled a similar open network & allowed gaming & home a/v 
devices on w/o the need for registration or additional configuration.

To do this, we’re using Aruba HPE ClearPass.  It handles ALMOST all of the 
categorizing & classification from DHCP Fingerprints and other voodoo black 
magic between itself & our Aruba controllers.

I emphasized almost, because we had to be pretty tuned into what it fails to 
classify & make specific exceptions / roles to allow some un-categorized 
devices like Roku TVs, Amazon TAP & Fire Sticks.  These exceptions could be 
seen as security holes so we locked down this new open network even more so 
than usual - NAT’ed, no access to internal resources, different IP space, 
several common ports restricted.   We’ve yet to hear of any complaints from 
gamers or streamers alike, but we’ll have to investigate once we do.

Our role assignment does a few things…


1)   If categorized as Home AV or Game Console = ALLOW

2)   If categorized as one of our 3 exceptions = ALLOW

3)   If Computer = JAILED - Captive Portal telling user to use our Secure 
802.1x network

4)   If MAC Registered = ALLOW

5)   If Smart Device = JAILED - Captive Portal telling user to use our 
Secure 802.1x network

6)   Else, DENIED = JAILED - Captive Portal asking user to get in touch 
with us.

We did this after doing a similar change at another school we provide service 
for.  Except there, we didn’t create a new network, we used the existing WEP 
keyed network & skipped checking MAC Registration for categorized devices.  
Users still need to configure their device for WEP, but they now no longer have 
to register them.

The most impressive device we ran into was the Fire Stick - it displayed a 
Captive Portal natively on the device.

Best of luck,

--Raf


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of "Cappalli, Tim (Aruba 
Security)" 
Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 

Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 8:41 AM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Amazon echo & Google home

Echo supports captive portal via the phone used for setup.

How is the NAC detecting them? DHCP fingerprinting? Registration?


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of "Entwistle, Bruce" 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 

Date: Monday, April 10, 2017 at 5:13 PM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Amazon echo & Google home

We are currently using our NAC on a unsecured network to detect gaming devices 
and allowing the appropriate devices to connect, then directing other devices 
to our 802.1x network.  However this solution is currently not available for 
the Amazon echo and Google home devices.  I was looking to the group to see how 
others are providing a wireless connection for these devices.

Thank you
Bruce Entwistle
Network Manager
University of Redlands

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Amazon echo & Google home

2017-04-11 Thread Cappalli, Tim (Aruba Security)
Echo supports captive portal via the phone used for setup.

How is the NAC detecting them? DHCP fingerprinting? Registration?


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of "Entwistle, Bruce" 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 

Date: Monday, April 10, 2017 at 5:13 PM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Amazon echo & Google home

We are currently using our NAC on a unsecured network to detect gaming devices 
and allowing the appropriate devices to connect, then directing other devices 
to our 802.1x network.  However this solution is currently not available for 
the Amazon echo and Google home devices.  I was looking to the group to see how 
others are providing a wireless connection for these devices.

Thank you
Bruce Entwistle
Network Manager
University of Redlands

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Amazon echo & Google home

2017-04-10 Thread Entwistle, Bruce
We are currently using our NAC on a unsecured network to detect gaming devices 
and allowing the appropriate devices to connect, then directing other devices 
to our 802.1x network.  However this solution is currently not available for 
the Amazon echo and Google home devices.  I was looking to the group to see how 
others are providing a wireless connection for these devices.

Thank you
Bruce Entwistle
Network Manager
University of Redlands


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