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I will say that our Cisco-Aruba comparison occurred back on the Cisco WiSM days when 802.11n was newly released in the enterprise. Bruce Osborne Wireless Engineer IT Infrastructure & Media Solutions (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Oliver, Jeff [mailto:jeff.oli...@uleth.ca] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Cisco LWAP Advice There has been many posts here with a lot of info, and I would like to echo something in Jeff’s post here. We have been running on cisco’s controller based platform since they purchased Airespace a number of years ago. From the Airespace appliances to the Cisco version of the same to the WiSM and now on the WiSM2, also running on stable code (based on our wireless SE’s recommend). Outside of the normal growth and density issues that we all face, the only real issues that we have had over the course of the years have been self-induced issues. They simply work. I will qualify that to say that our setup is intentionally quite simple and we are simply running three WiSM2’s with the same base config and a shared mobility zone across them all. Our AP’s have primary/secondary controllers configured on them and we provision a buildings access points to a specific WiSM to mitigate the roaming from AP to AP. As 99% of the wireless traffic is inet or data center bound, it is going to hit our main network core anyway so we have not tried to push the LWAP out of the core. Easy. Stable. Cheers, Jeff --- Jeffrey L. Oliver Sr. Network Analyst Information Technology Services The University of Lethbridge From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 12:31 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice I have to disagree here too. Like Lee, we’re on good code, and our Cisco system has been running flawlessly for a very long time. W The reason for the threads here is simple… Cisco is by a very wide margin the #1 WiFi vendor, so one would expect the ratio of posts to be proportionate to the installed base. For the distant #2 and others, maybe there is hesitation to post about problems here since upper management would then question the decision to go that route? Perhaps the installed based is just too low that it’s lost in the static? What I do know is that at my consortium, we have five colleges on Cisco and two on Aruba. Over the years, I’ve seen far more show stoppers on Aruba then on Cisco. It’s also been the case that the performance of the Aruba APs don’t appear to be nearly the same as the Cisco units, especially as client density goes up. Oh, and Aruba has nothing remotely close to CleanAir. That said, for the day to day, both get the job done in their own ways. The upside is that having both provides extreme leverage in negotiating pricing. Jeff From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of "bosbo...@liberty.edu<mailto:bosbo...@liberty.edu>" <bosbo...@liberty.edu<mailto:bosbo...@liberty.edu>> Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 4:25 AM To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu<mailto:wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice I agree, Lee. When we decided to move away from Cisco fat APs, their abysmal support for them along with the constant threads here looking for Cisco code with the least bugs helped our decision to move to Aruba. At that time they were (and, to some extent, still are) a company that specialized in WLAN technologies. For Cisco, WLAN is just another product line alongside routers, switches, voice, telepresence, etc. For Aruba, at least in 2008, if their WLAN did not succeed, they had no fallback product for profits. Bruce Osborne Wireless Engineer IT Infrastructure & Media Solutions (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu] Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Cisco LWAP Advice I use both- and have a real fondness for Meraki. Cisco vs Meraki is not just Apples to Apples on hardware. With Meraki, the perpetual controller and NMS bugs are no longer your problem, and it’s liberating beyond belief to not have to deal with that. I might feel different if Cisco got their WLAN code act together,
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I agree, Lee. When we decided to move away from Cisco fat APs, their abysmal support for them along with the constant threads here looking for Cisco code with the least bugs helped our decision to move to Aruba. At that time they were (and, to some extent, still are) a company that specialized in WLAN technologies. For Cisco, WLAN is just another product line alongside routers, switches, voice, telepresence, etc. For Aruba, at least in 2008, if their WLAN did not succeed, they had no fallback product for profits. Bruce Osborne Wireless Engineer IT Infrastructure & Media Solutions (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu] Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Cisco LWAP Advice I use both- and have a real fondness for Meraki. Cisco vs Meraki is not just Apples to Apples on hardware. With Meraki, the perpetual controller and NMS bugs are no longer your problem, and it’s liberating beyond belief to not have to deal with that. I might feel different if Cisco got their WLAN code act together, but I’ve heard 10 years of admissions and promises and have yet to see it happen. Escalation builds, engineering builds, blah blah blah. There is a high TCO to Cisco wireless beyond the price tags. That’s the cost of seeing a bazillion features exposed that you may never use. In our Meraki sites, things work, they work well, and troubles tend to be statistical zero. Meraki APs never win bake-offs for high performance, but most well-designed environments don’t need rocket ships bolted to the ceiling either. System administration is an absolute breeze, in my years of running these environmnets. My guidance- carefully define your requirements and staffing, TRY BEFORE YOU BY in all cases, and query others that have gone before you in legitimate production. Lee Badman | Network Architect Information Technology Services 206 Machinery Hall 120 Smith Drive Syracuse, New York 13244 t 315.443.3003 f 315.443.4325 e lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu> w its.syr.edu SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY syr.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 12:07 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice I’ve looked at Meraki and it seems positioned at small installations, and once you get to a certain number of AP’s, the conventional Cisco-based controller (or similar vendor solution) comes our far less expensive. For smartnet, you can realize significant additional savings over and above the standard 30% EDU discount if you sign up for a multi-year contract e.g. 3 or 5 years. You can also finance the smartnet via Cisco leasing (generally at zero additional cost) so that in the case of a three year contract, you make 3 yearly payments. Also, don’t forget the special SKU for the controllers. A couple of years ago, Cisco started bundling the AP support cost in the controller contract, and there is a SKU that backs the cost back out for EDUs. Jeff From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Eklund Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 5:52 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice RFP is a good idea. Considering your size you should be seriously looking at alternative like Meraki and Ruckus. On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Klaczko, Edwin <eklac...@sd54.org<mailto:eklac...@sd54.org>> wrote: Even though it’s a bit more work an RFP is a good idea. Even if you are happy with your current vendor it helps with getting the best pricing. On several occasions I’ve virtually eliminated the “Cisco premium” everyone expects. Now ongoing SmartNet maintenance costs are another matter. Eddie Klaczko From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 6:34 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice I agree with the RFP idea. When we last did an RFP and in-house demos & proof of concepts, we were surprised at what was offered by Aruba Networks. They even worked with us to support multicast video on wireless. Bruce Osborne Wireless Engineer IT Infrastructure & Media Solutions (434) 592-4229<tel:%28434%29%20592-4229> LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Cisco LWAP Adv
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Now in its defense… when we are on good code, our big Cisco WLAN runs like a dream, servicing 20K+ clients at our daily high water mark. Lee Badman | Network Architect (CWNA, CWSP, Mobility+) Information Technology Services 206 Machinery Hall 120 Smith Drive Syracuse, New York 13244 t 315.443.3003 f 315.443.4325 e lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu> w its.syr.edu SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY syr.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 7:26 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice I agree, Lee. When we decided to move away from Cisco fat APs, their abysmal support for them along with the constant threads here looking for Cisco code with the least bugs helped our decision to move to Aruba. At that time they were (and, to some extent, still are) a company that specialized in WLAN technologies. For Cisco, WLAN is just another product line alongside routers, switches, voice, telepresence, etc. For Aruba, at least in 2008, if their WLAN did not succeed, they had no fallback product for profits. Bruce Osborne Wireless Engineer IT Infrastructure & Media Solutions (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu] Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Cisco LWAP Advice I use both- and have a real fondness for Meraki. Cisco vs Meraki is not just Apples to Apples on hardware. With Meraki, the perpetual controller and NMS bugs are no longer your problem, and it’s liberating beyond belief to not have to deal with that. I might feel different if Cisco got their WLAN code act together, but I’ve heard 10 years of admissions and promises and have yet to see it happen. Escalation builds, engineering builds, blah blah blah. There is a high TCO to Cisco wireless beyond the price tags. That’s the cost of seeing a bazillion features exposed that you may never use. In our Meraki sites, things work, they work well, and troubles tend to be statistical zero. Meraki APs never win bake-offs for high performance, but most well-designed environments don’t need rocket ships bolted to the ceiling either. System administration is an absolute breeze, in my years of running these environmnets. My guidance- carefully define your requirements and staffing, TRY BEFORE YOU BY in all cases, and query others that have gone before you in legitimate production. Lee Badman | Network Architect Information Technology Services 206 Machinery Hall 120 Smith Drive Syracuse, New York 13244 t 315.443.3003 f 315.443.4325 e lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu> w its.syr.edu SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY syr.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jeffrey D. Sessler Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 12:07 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice I’ve looked at Meraki and it seems positioned at small installations, and once you get to a certain number of AP’s, the conventional Cisco-based controller (or similar vendor solution) comes our far less expensive. For smartnet, you can realize significant additional savings over and above the standard 30% EDU discount if you sign up for a multi-year contract e.g. 3 or 5 years. You can also finance the smartnet via Cisco leasing (generally at zero additional cost) so that in the case of a three year contract, you make 3 yearly payments. Also, don’t forget the special SKU for the controllers. A couple of years ago, Cisco started bundling the AP support cost in the controller contract, and there is a SKU that backs the cost back out for EDUs. Jeff From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Eklund Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 5:52 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice RFP is a good idea. Considering your size you should be seriously looking at alternative like Meraki and Ruckus. On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Klaczko, Edwin <eklac...@sd54.org<mailto:eklac...@sd54.org>> wrote: Even though it’s a bit more work an RFP is a good idea. Even if you are happy with your current vendor it helps with getting the best pricing. On several occasions I’ve virtually eliminated the “Cisco premium” everyone expects. Now ongoing SmartNet maintenance costs are another matter. Eddie Klaczko From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) Sent: Fr
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I agree with the RFP idea. When we last did an RFP and in-house demos & proof of concepts, we were surprised at what was offered by Aruba Networks. They even worked with us to support multicast video on wireless. Bruce Osborne Wireless Engineer IT Infrastructure & Media Solutions (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Cisco LWAP Advice If the old controller is all that is tying you to Cisco, it sounds like RFP time- let the market compete for your business. Lee Badman | Network Architect Information Technology Services 206 Machinery Hall 120 Smith Drive Syracuse, New York 13244 t 315.443.3003 f 315.443.4325 e lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu> w its.syr.edu SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY syr.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Conley Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:35 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice Eddie, Thanks for the advice! I don't think that Cisco will "give" us a controller - but nice try... Best, Andrew Conley Director of Information Technology San Diego Unified High School District E: andrew.con...@sduhsd.org<mailto:andrew.con...@sduhsd.org> W: 760.363.5008 x 1009 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of Klaczko, Edwin <eklac...@sd54.org<mailto:eklac...@sd54.org>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:54 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice I concur with Thomas. Per this doc http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/switches/catalyst-3750-series-switches/end_of_life_notice_c51-634665.html End-of-life was 12/13/2010 End-of-SW maintenance was 6/12/2014 End-of-Service Contract Renewal Date was 9/8/2015 With the size of your district maybe you have a spare 5500 or newer lying around if you don’t want to invest the money right now. Pick which APs you want to use first since this will be a good bulk of your costs, then have Cisco “give” you the controller for them. ;) Eddie Klaczko From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of McClintic, Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:27 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice To future proof your deployment it may be best to upgrade your WLC to a 5520. I suggest deploying the x700 series LWAP to support 802.11ac as we have seen a large increase in clients supporting it. Here is a comparison chart for the various ac enabled LWAPs. http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/wireless/buyers-guide.html#~indoorac Cisco has nice bundling options so we have opted to use the 3702 after taking advantage of the bundling discounts. We use the 2702 in smaller office bundles as well, but large buildings with higher density we choose the latter. Hope this helps! From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jake Snyder Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 9:07 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice So the only AP still sold new that is supported on a 4404 is the 3502i. Not much in the way for options on that old platform, but that is what you can still buy. Might be time to look at upgrading that old girl. Thanks Jake Snyder jsny...@compunet.biz<mailto:jsny...@compunet.biz> 208-286-3015 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Andrew Conley <andrew.con...@sduhsd.org<mailto:andrew.con...@sduhsd.org>> wrote: Hi all, I'm new to the EduCause community (even though I'm a HS District IT Director and Educause is for Higher-Ed..). We're a 135,000 student and 6,000 staff district (very large). I am doing a AP deploy for a new high school building (I have a Cisco WLC4402-100-K9 installed in the building already) with approximately 500 clients connected and wanted to know what Cisco LWAPs everyone was using or would recommend for this deploy. Thanks in advance for your assistance! Andrew Conley Director of Information Technology San Diego Unified High School District E: andrew.con...@sduhsd.org<mailto:andrew.con...@sduhsd.org> W: 760.363.5008 x 1009 ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion
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Even though it’s a bit more work an RFP is a good idea. Even if you are happy with your current vendor it helps with getting the best pricing. On several occasions I’ve virtually eliminated the “Cisco premium” everyone expects. Now ongoing SmartNet maintenance costs are another matter. Eddie Klaczko From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 6:34 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice I agree with the RFP idea. When we last did an RFP and in-house demos & proof of concepts, we were surprised at what was offered by Aruba Networks. They even worked with us to support multicast video on wireless. Bruce Osborne Wireless Engineer IT Infrastructure & Media Solutions (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Cisco LWAP Advice If the old controller is all that is tying you to Cisco, it sounds like RFP time- let the market compete for your business. Lee Badman | Network Architect Information Technology Services 206 Machinery Hall 120 Smith Drive Syracuse, New York 13244 t 315.443.3003 f 315.443.4325 e lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu> w its.syr.edu SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY syr.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Conley Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:35 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice Eddie, Thanks for the advice! I don't think that Cisco will "give" us a controller - but nice try... Best, Andrew Conley Director of Information Technology San Diego Unified High School District E: andrew.con...@sduhsd.org<mailto:andrew.con...@sduhsd.org> W: 760.363.5008 x 1009 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of Klaczko, Edwin <eklac...@sd54.org<mailto:eklac...@sd54.org>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:54 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice I concur with Thomas. Per this doc http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/switches/catalyst-3750-series-switches/end_of_life_notice_c51-634665.html End-of-life was 12/13/2010 End-of-SW maintenance was 6/12/2014 End-of-Service Contract Renewal Date was 9/8/2015 With the size of your district maybe you have a spare 5500 or newer lying around if you don’t want to invest the money right now. Pick which APs you want to use first since this will be a good bulk of your costs, then have Cisco “give” you the controller for them. ;) Eddie Klaczko From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of McClintic, Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:27 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice To future proof your deployment it may be best to upgrade your WLC to a 5520. I suggest deploying the x700 series LWAP to support 802.11ac as we have seen a large increase in clients supporting it. Here is a comparison chart for the various ac enabled LWAPs. http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/wireless/buyers-guide.html#~indoorac Cisco has nice bundling options so we have opted to use the 3702 after taking advantage of the bundling discounts. We use the 2702 in smaller office bundles as well, but large buildings with higher density we choose the latter. Hope this helps! From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jake Snyder Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 9:07 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice So the only AP still sold new that is supported on a 4404 is the 3502i. Not much in the way for options on that old platform, but that is what you can still buy. Might be time to look at upgrading that old girl. Thanks Jake Snyder jsny...@compunet.biz<mailto:jsny...@compunet.biz> 208-286-3015 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Andrew Conley <andrew.con...@sduhsd.org<mailto:andrew.con...@sduhsd.org>> wrote: Hi all, I'm new to the EduCause community (even though I'm a HS District IT Director and Educause is for Higher-Ed..). We're a 135,000 student and 6,000 staff district (very large).
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Don’t think it’s well meaning. When I worked in a music store we use to sell the sound system at a loss and make our on microphones and guitar strings. Not to mentioned we had a loyal customer forever. Bruce Boardman Networking Syracuse University 315 412-4156 Skype board...@syr.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 7:34 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice I agree with the RFP idea. When we last did an RFP and in-house demos & proof of concepts, we were surprised at what was offered by Aruba Networks. They even worked with us to support multicast video on wireless. Bruce Osborne Wireless Engineer IT Infrastructure & Media Solutions (434) 592-4229 LIBERTY UNIVERSITY Training Champions for Christ since 1971 From: Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu] Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Cisco LWAP Advice If the old controller is all that is tying you to Cisco, it sounds like RFP time- let the market compete for your business. Lee Badman | Network Architect Information Technology Services 206 Machinery Hall 120 Smith Drive Syracuse, New York 13244 t 315.443.3003 f 315.443.4325 e lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu> w its.syr.edu SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY syr.edu From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Conley Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:35 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice Eddie, Thanks for the advice! I don't think that Cisco will "give" us a controller - but nice try... Best, Andrew Conley Director of Information Technology San Diego Unified High School District E: andrew.con...@sduhsd.org<mailto:andrew.con...@sduhsd.org> W: 760.363.5008 x 1009 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of Klaczko, Edwin <eklac...@sd54.org<mailto:eklac...@sd54.org>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:54 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice I concur with Thomas. Per this doc http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/switches/catalyst-3750-series-switches/end_of_life_notice_c51-634665.html End-of-life was 12/13/2010 End-of-SW maintenance was 6/12/2014 End-of-Service Contract Renewal Date was 9/8/2015 With the size of your district maybe you have a spare 5500 or newer lying around if you don’t want to invest the money right now. Pick which APs you want to use first since this will be a good bulk of your costs, then have Cisco “give” you the controller for them. ;) Eddie Klaczko From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of McClintic, Thomas Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 8:27 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice To future proof your deployment it may be best to upgrade your WLC to a 5520. I suggest deploying the x700 series LWAP to support 802.11ac as we have seen a large increase in clients supporting it. Here is a comparison chart for the various ac enabled LWAPs. http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/wireless/buyers-guide.html#~indoorac Cisco has nice bundling options so we have opted to use the 3702 after taking advantage of the bundling discounts. We use the 2702 in smaller office bundles as well, but large buildings with higher density we choose the latter. Hope this helps! From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Jake Snyder Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 9:07 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Cisco LWAP Advice So the only AP still sold new that is supported on a 4404 is the 3502i. Not much in the way for options on that old platform, but that is what you can still buy. Might be time to look at upgrading that old girl. Thanks Jake Snyder jsny...@compunet.biz<mailto:jsny...@compunet.biz> 208-286-3015 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 9, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Andrew Conley <andrew.con...@sduhsd.org<mailto:andrew.con...@sduhsd.org>> wrote: Hi all, I'm new to the EduCause community (even though I'm a HS District IT Director and Educause is for Higher-Ed..). We're a 135,000 student and 6,000 staff district (very large). I am doing a AP deploy
