Re: HYPER NETWORK

2005-08-25 Thread ivan lópez

On Aug 24, 2005, at 7:47 PM, _dream.thick[ener]_ wrote:



http://textzi.net/1/textzine01.pdf
At 10:41 AM 25/08/2005, you wrote:



On Aug 24, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Lanny Quarles wrote:


i couldn't read the spanish text,
but i have a stack of farm pulps,
i read that zine for years.


 i'd love to flip through that stack of farm pulps.


coincidentally miekal's gif bears a striking resemblance to some of
dee's code-squares..


coincidentally, the spanish text was formatted using javE.

best,
ivan

http://textzi.net


Re: HYPER NETWORK

2005-08-25 Thread Lanny Quarles

this is funny, what you have to know, is that i was trying to read miekal's 
message
on a webmail client that doesnt display his mail client's messages properly,
so i saw his gif as its code, in the guts of the code i saw the name of his 
file.
i re:sent his message to myself which then produced the proper gif.

its not a big stack! but a stack.
here's where i bought most of my farm pulps
http://www.readingfrenzy.com/

but powells sells them too, or did.
i'm thumbing through the 'Caustic Gospels' issue [Aug./Sept. 2000] as i write 
this:

Jesus may have lived for all of us, but it was the city he worked for,
travelling its streets in boxy municipal vehicles wearing a yellow hard hat
and bright green safety vest.

from the 'lord at work' sect.

http://www.farmpulp.com/



- Original Message -
From: ivan lópez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: HYPER NETWORK



On Aug 24, 2005, at 7:47 PM, _dream.thick[ener]_ wrote:



http://textzi.net/1/textzine01.pdf
At 10:41 AM 25/08/2005, you wrote:



On Aug 24, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Lanny Quarles wrote:


i couldn't read the spanish text,
but i have a stack of farm pulps,
i read that zine for years.


 i'd love to flip through that stack of farm pulps.


coincidentally miekal's gif bears a striking resemblance to some of
dee's code-squares..


coincidentally, the spanish text was formatted using javE.

best,
ivan

http://textzi.net



a Momus song

2005-08-25 Thread Lanny Quarles

Corkscrew King

Bakatono bakemono henna ojisan
Gamushara sekuhara henna ojisan

The king is in the winter, in the winter of his prime
Welcome to the kingdom of the Corkscrew King
See him pour a jet of wine across a concubine
See him try in vain to plunge the corkscrew in

See him eat sashimi from a naked woman's breast
See him drink wakame sake from her sex
Send in all the dancing girls and send in all the wine
He's impotent, omnipotent, and only 69

Send in Dr Mojo who can turn back time
Send in more Viagra to halt the decline
When you're 69 the sky is overcast
The castle flag is flying... half mast
The gate is shut, the canon blocked
The flower they fire at one o'clock half-cocked
The tower flops, the blossom drops
The king will play the shamisen

Bakatono bakemono henna ojisan
Gamushara sekuhara henna ojisan

The Yogi Dr Swami with his hand upon his thing
Guru by appointment to the Corkscrew King
Says 'A badger in the hand is worth a badger in the bush
A badger down your pants, you've got to push push push'

An aged man, the poet says, is but a paltry thing
A tattered coat upon a stick, unless he sing
So clap your hands for every wrinkle in your mortal dress
Join the throng and dance along with the Corkscrew King

Send in Dr Mojo who can turn back time
The castle flag is flying and the weather's fine
But when you're 69 the sky is overcast
The castle flag is flying... half mast
The gate is shut, the canon blocked
The flower they fire at one o'clock half-cocked
The tower flops, the blossom drops
The king will play the shamisen


Fw: SNAP Crying the Neck

2005-08-25 Thread Lawrence Upton



as you may have worked out, this went to the wrong 
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Re: on primes

2005-08-25 Thread BjørnMagnhildøen
the primesum idea falls apart quite quickly, already at the 12th prime. my work 
is not valid, sure, it's mostly erroneous. let's take it from there.

not
pos prime  comment
12: 161
16: 329331 is prime
18: 441439,443
22: 713shit
23: 793likewise
24: 875877
25: 965967
28: 1265   whatever
31: 1595   1597
33: 1853   i'm freezing
34: 1989   the world is cold
36: 2277   some number
37: 2429   where are your neighbours?
38: 2585   rain
40: 2915   birds are a relief
i like birds
42: 3267   hell
44: 3639   3637 yes you're friendly
46: 4029   4027 you're my twin
sotosay
i feel better
48: 4439   4441 bird chirp
54: 5831   WOW, there's a long jump!
of 250.. i understand these are awful things to deal with
55: 6083   you'll pay later i get it
56: 6339   friendly as hell
57: 6603   four is also square to you
59: 7143   loss loss loss
it remains curiously frustrating
60: 7419   oh, you're there after all
call me
61: 7701   yes let go of us
looking up host.. waiting..
there's the helicopter, i want to go out
hope the bed is long enough, 1890's?
thanks, you're my
oh everything will be like this
all ways are
keep banging your head
sleep will come surely
don't worry
no place to go


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Re: I

2005-08-25 Thread Halvard Johnson

On Aug 25, 2005, at 7:07 AM, Dan Waber wrote:


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Hal

Today's Special: Images w/o words
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Re: I

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2005-08-25 Thread Lanny Quarles



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Re: my work is no longer valid

2005-08-25 Thread Alan Sondheim

I didn't set the price. It's the coop and is probably standard. It's also
a unique and irreplaceable print.

- Alan


On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Paul Stone wrote:


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revised 7/05 )


Man, I'd love to see Hollywood but at 140 bucks rental, your work is a
bit too valid for my blood.

p



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Instinctual-Cultural States

2005-08-25 Thread Alan Sondheim

Instinctual-Cultural States


Both great blue herons and snowy egrets do food dances, stirring up the
muddy bottom layers of a body of water, so that invertebrates and small
fish attempt to flee the disturbance. Dinner! The snowy egret seems more
nervous, constantly vibrating the water equally with one and then the
other foot, shaking the sediment loose. There are two techniques; both
conserve energy. The inactive technique requires waiting, hardly moving at
all: this is the usual pointed stance of the birds. When a fish or other
animal becomes visible, it can be instantly seized with little energy. The
active technique involves the dances themselves, throwing the animals into
confusion. More food, but a greater energy expenditure which balances out.
The dance itself involves turning, wing-flapping, something ruffling the
surface as if taking off, only to move a few feet. These actions can be
repeated three or four times in a row as the food is hurried along. I've
seen the willets use another technique altogether, picking up plants and
other organic debris from the shallows, then shaking it wildly, finally
jabbing at the result. It's difficult to tell what is happening with a
standard video camera (i.e. not high-speed), but small mollusks are most
likely shaken loose. The jabbing is ferocious and rhythmic. Now all of
these are foraging techniques; there are also, of course, the skimmers,
the bobbers, the divers, the plunge divers, the sifters. In almost every
case, the prey is small. What is most fascinating, however, about the
dance behavior, is the potential degree to which this represents culture,
not 'instinct,' however defined. Do all populations of egrets and herons
perform similarly, or rather equivalently? I'm not in a position to judge.
Surely there are new techniques; the willet debris shaking is most likely
one of them. Another point, to which I have no answer: How related are
these behaviors to mating behaviors? And again, how much of both may be
considered cultural? For these behaviors are not simple, as, for example,
the plunge diving of the least tern might be - a singular and necessary
monotonic act, for the most part. Of course even with the least tern we do
not see what goes on beneath the surface. But the dance itself is even at
first sight complex; there are numerous behaviors associated in various
combinations. I could not tell in any case whether egrets or herons favor
the left or right foot; with the snowy egrets, the division of labor
between left and right seemed equivalent. The great blue had another
technique, along with remaining still, pointing, and that is a slow wading
which also involved what I think must be the right foot slowly moving
backward as the bird advances - backward beneath the surface, almost
imperceptibly plowing the bottom. I can only assume this does not frighten
the bottom-dwellers, but registers only as a slight inconvenience, to
which they might respond by momentarily surfacing, seeking another cover -
not to be found, as the heron quickly catches its prey. These birds -
great blues and snow egrets - see almost three hundred sixty degrees; this
is obvious when they face you forward, their eyes, immersed in the sides
of their heads, clearly visible and watching. The world appears constantly
and in the dance of hunter and prey, however defined, we see energy held
to a minimum, high survival, and a slim possibility of out-waiting the
depredations of man.

I have taped some of the above behaviors at the Bolsa Chica wildlife
preserve in Huntington Beach, California. I am interested in instinctual-
cultural states (ICS) and their relation to historiography. For example,
we assume an absence of Jurassic technology (except of course for the
museum devoted to it!); our assumptions guide our investigations. But
there is no indication for example that all reptilian behavior, even
today, is instinctual, and given the long-term development of the
dinosaurs, there is a good possibility that what even we might concede as
cultural existed in ages remote from our own. When we look at birds, we
are witnessing today a new ethological-cultural ornithology in the making,
as definitions and values of ICS change. We have set ourselves up as
arbiters of intelligence and survival upon the planet, and have acted
accordingly, and brutally. It is too late to glimpse anything but the
remnants of other intelligence, as our own falters upon some ulterior
shore most likely of our own making.


_


Re: the url

2005-08-25 Thread Alan Sondheim

These are beautiful  remind me of the corners of 19th-century type
drawers... - Alan

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Dan Waber wrote:


http://www.logolalia.com/minimalistconcretepoetry/

Sorry about that,
Dan



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Re: my work is no longer valid

2005-08-25 Thread Thomas savage
Although I think this is really funny and a good description of many experimental movies and/or poems, it does remind me of the time when experimental movies were known as underground movies. This appellation was useful, I now realize in retrospect, because if the movie turned out to be bad, as they often but not always were by any means, one could say to oneself and to anybody who happened to accompany you to the aforesaid film: that one really should have stayed underground. It is precisely because of this expanded recollection that I enjoyed this poem. Thanks, Tom SavageAlan Sondheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"i've always wanted to make an experimental movie."i've run out of ideas."this is already 24 megabytes and i've been reducing."it's an experimental movie."it owes everything to joseph cornell."it's about the forces of nature and industry."everything i've seen is exactly like it."it's an experimental movie.heartlandexperimentalmovieour innermost beingmurmur of purring machinesconstant sleepiness in the hollow waiting for our demisebeings before us, beings after usour sense of being, equivalent to being,would a bee or a hummingbird, Heidegger, Daseinthese are not idle questionshttp://www.asondheim.org/heartlandexperimentalmovie.mp4i've always wanted to make an experimental movienow in the heart of the heartland, why not?for these are empires in the making,!
  all of
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Palaverist

2005-08-25 Thread Lanny Quarles

First, there is the Horned Screamer...

She had a largely developed and palpigerous labium
with which she scribbled in a spiral from the apex to
the nadir of his paper duncecap holding the magical
quill while she hummed with her knees.

Such musical knees
these joints
that move out of time
out of sense
out of nature
out of taste, mind, and use

She had a largely developed and palpigerous labium
with which she juggled coccoons of knotted constants
like a ferris wheel or circular saw buzzing through the
empty hive of space where the boardwalks whined
and dined, all of the ocean's width, to a benchmark
where the burning sword of birth is a writ to the writhing.

Note:
There is
a palpebre
which issues
a palpocil
down
into this
palsied text.

[where crooked word swimmerettes
accursed with de.tour(n)ettes
*begokk*
and feumjun]

BECAUSE
there is a small line-drawing in the womb
of this poem
made by palatography.

http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/linguistics/faciliti/facilities/physiology/EGP_picture.JPG


Re: Instinctual-Cultural States

2005-08-25 Thread Lanny Quarles

i agree with this alan, they are now finding in deep caves some very 
complicated communities
within the bacterial matts, and really, what could be more absolutely 
'cultural' than an ecosystem
where all kinds of behaviors and practices are tried and integrated and built 
upon for millenia.
ecosystems were always already cultures as well as chemico-morphological 
computers for that matter..
Eugene Marais the 19th Century Termite expert conceived of the Termite mound as 
a single individual
being, though his model of a distributed intelligence was overlooked. Also re: 
culture in birds, one need look no
further than
the various species of bowery birds and their elaborate nest building 'culture' 
which has been found to be
absolutely regional even differing from park to park or yard to yard with the 
urban species. this is well documented.

some beautiful naturalist writing and ekphrasis here, thanks.
lq

our assumptions guide our investigations. But

there is no indication for example that all reptilian behavior, even
today, is instinctual, and given the long-term development of the
dinosaurs, there is a good possibility that what even we might concede as
cultural existed in ages remote from our own. When we look at birds, we
are witnessing today a new ethological-cultural ornithology in the making,
as definitions and values of ICS change. 
_



Re: Instinctual-Cultural States

2005-08-25 Thread Ryan Whyte
Thanks for this very interesting text, Alan. I've been thinking along
similar lines in relation to fish. I have three small freshwater aquaria
in my apartment and have been reading up and observing (nothing expensive
or exotic--can't afford/house it). I was most struck by studies of fish
rivalry and fighting in particular. Display is so significant that it's
clear that fish work in a realm of representation. Fights where fish have
been exposed to each other visually beforehand, across a transparent
divider, end much more quickly and in favor of the larger fish, than
fights between fish who have never before seen each other. While it almost
seems like a fatalistic 'attitude' to fights, it's also obivously a
mechanism that reduces long-term wear-and-tear on the fish, since fights
'determined in advance' are always shorter.

As you suggest, the question is where this sort of representation,
which always involves flaring of gills and fins and certain patterns of
motion, shades into a visual 'culture' --

I am amazed by their sensory abilities, by the way. Catfish, like my
pimelodus pictus, can detect electromagnetic impulses generated by muscle
activity; they use it to find buried prey. Sharks have the same capability
and will lunge 'blind', a membrane covering their eyes, relying on
electromagnetic because it is more accurate than vision.

The lateral line system is also incredibly sensitive, detecting minute
currents; fish have been shown able to detect the motion of hair-width
glass rods using this system.


-- Ryan



On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Alan Sondheim wrote:

 Instinctual-Cultural States


Re: multeity codons

2005-08-25 Thread Peter Ciccariello

Excellent Lanny.
Visual cacophony!



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Re: Instinctual-Cultural States

2005-08-25 Thread Lanny Quarles

More animals join the learning circle
 a.. 27 August 2005
 b.. NewScientist.com news service
 c.. Betsy Mason
Related Articles
 a.. Copycat chimps are cultural conformists
 b.. 22 August 2005
 c.. Orangutans swinging culture revealed
 d.. 02 January 2003
 e.. The lore of the jungle
 f.. 19 June 1999
 g.. Search New Scientist
 h.. Contact us
Web Links
 a.. US Animal Behavior Society
 b.. Marineland, Niagara Falls
 c.. Michael Noonan, Canisius College in Buffalo
 d.. Janet Mann, Georgetown University
KILLER whales and chimpanzees both pass on traditions to other members of 
their group, according to two separate
studies of feeding behaviour. The findings add to evidence that cultural 
learning is widespread among animals.

One study involved killer whales at Marineland in Niagara Falls in Ontario, 
Canada. An inventive male devised a brand
new way to catch birds, and passed the strategy on to his tank-mates. The 
4-year-old orca lures gulls into his tank by
spitting regurgitated fish onto the water's surface. He waits below for a gull 
to grab the fish, then lunges at it with
open jaws. They are in a way setting a trap, says animal behaviourist Michael 
Noonan of Canisius College in Buffalo,
New York, who made the discovery, They catch three or four gulls this way some 
days.

The orca lures gulls into his tank by spitting regurgitated fish into the 
water. He waits for a bird to grab the fish
and then lunges
Noonan had never seen the behaviour before, despite three years of observations 
for separate experiments. But a few
months after the enterprising male started doing it, Noonan spied the whale's 
younger half-brother doing the same thing.
Soon the brothers' mothers were enjoying feathered snacks, as were a 
6-month-old calf and an older male. Noonan
presented the research this month at the US Animal Behavior Society meeting in 
Snowbird, Utah.

Wild dolphins off the west coast of Australia were the first marine mammals in 
which cultural learning was observed.
They apparently learn from group-mates how to use sponges to protect their 
snouts while scavenging (New Scientist, 11
June, p 12). But the evidence from killer whales is much more conclusive 
because the process was observed from start to
finish.

Some researchers have suggested that many purported examples of cultural 
transmission can instead be explained by
individuals discovering the skill on their own rather than following another's 
lead. But because the gull-baiting
behaviour is so unusual, it would be hard to argue that it is individual 
learning, says ethologist Janet Mann of
Georgetown University in Washington DC, one of the authors of the dolphin 
sponging study. Behavioural scientist Andrew
Whiten of the University of St Andrews in the UK agrees, This is a particularly 
clear set of observations.

Whiten and his colleagues have meanwhile shown in a separate study that when 
chimpanzees learn a skill from their peers,
they tend to stick with that method even if it isn't the most effective. 
Whiten's team taught two female chimps how to
get food from a complicated feeder using a stick to move a barrier. One chimp 
learned to lift the barrier while the
other was taught an apparently more efficient poking method. The chimps' 
group-mates were then allowed to watch their
respective experts at work.

The chimps followed the lead of their own expert chimp - the poker's group 
preferred to poke and the lifter's group
lifted (Nature, DOI: 10.1038/nature04047).

And even when some lifters learned to poke, the majority reverted to the 
group's original lifting strategy.


From issue 2514 of New Scientist magazine, 27 August 2005, page 8

Getting the message
Chimpanzees appear to be capable of communicating using sounds that refer to 
specific objects, according to a study of
sounds made in response to different foods. It is the first time this ability 
has been demonstrated in chimps.

Primatologist Katie Slocombe of the University of St Andrews, UK, recorded the 
grunts made by chimps at nearby Edinburgh
Zoo as they collected food at two feeders. One dispensed bread, considered a 
high-quality treat, and the other doled out
apples, a much less sought-after snack.

Slocombe then played back the recordings and watched the reactions of a 
6-year-old male named Liberius. The results were
striking. After hearing a bread grunt, Liberius spent far more time searching 
around the bread feeder, while an apple
grunt would send him hunting under the apple feeder. Slocombe presented the 
work at the US Animal Behavior Society
meeting in Snowbird, Utah, this month.

This is the first convincing evidence of referential communication in chimps, 
says primatologist Amy Pollick of Emory
University in Atlanta, Georgia. Earlier research with a close cousin of the 
chimpanzee - a male pygmy chimpanzee, or
bonobo, named Kanzi - showed that he made specific sounds for four different 
things: bananas, grapes, juice and yes. But
the researchers did not test if the 

Re: multeity codons

2005-08-25 Thread mIEKAL aND
ooks like a highly organized swarm to me if visual writing has to look like anything other than itself.

On Aug 25, 2005, at 3:52 PM, Peter Ciccariello wrote:

x-tad-biggerExcellent Lanny./x-tad-bigger
x-tad-biggerVisual cacophony!/x-tad-bigger

x-tad-biggerSubject: multeity codons/x-tad-bigger

http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/desktopcollage/codons/2.jpg (119k) 
http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/desktopcollage/codons/3sm.jpg (141k) 
http://www.hevanet.com/solipsis/desktopcollage/codons/3.jpg (800k) 


The word is the first idiotype.  Isidore Isou, 1947. 


Possible Ivory Billed Woodpecker recordings

2005-08-25 Thread mIEKAL aND

The loud sound in the middle of the recording is a wren, the sounds
before  after are the phantom sounds.  My question is, if no one alive
has ever heard these birds since they were last seen in the 20s I
believe, assuming they sound like other big woodpeckers is pretty soft
science.

http://www.birds.cornell.edu/ivory/field/listening/new1


Humans to answer call of the wild

2005-08-25 Thread mIEKAL aND

Humans to answer call of the wild

People with a desire to show off are being invited to take part in a
display of human nature at London Zoo.

Volunteers will make up a flock of homo sapiens and spend four days on
Bear Mountain at the zoo with only fig leaves to protect their modesty.

From Friday the humans will be cared for by the keepers and kept
entertained with various forms of enrichment.

The Human Zoo will demonstrate the basic nature of man and examine the
impact they have on the animal Kingdom.

 A spokeswoman said it depended on the calibre of the applicants as to
how many people they took on.

Anyone wanting to take part has until the end of Monday to apply and
must explain in 50 words why they should be chosen.


Re: I

2005-08-25 Thread Steve Dalachinsky
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Re: HYPER NETWORK

2005-08-25 Thread ivan lópez

lanny, thanks for the links.

this one was cool: http://www.farmpulp.com/keyboard.html

particularly this part: 'In hindsight, I realized I could have hit 
Command/Option/S and not just saved the world but done a Save As. 
That is, saving the world just as it is, but under another name like 
Greta or Babar or Murray.'


i think i'll be getting more of these zines...

best,
ivan


On Aug 25, 2005, at 4:35 AM, Lanny Quarles wrote:

this is funny, what you have to know, is that i was trying to read 
miekal's message
on a webmail client that doesnt display his mail client's messages 
properly,
so i saw his gif as its code, in the guts of the code i saw the name 
of his file.

i re:sent his message to myself which then produced the proper gif.

its not a big stack! but a stack.
here's where i bought most of my farm pulps
http://www.readingfrenzy.com/

but powells sells them too, or did.
i'm thumbing through the 'Caustic Gospels' issue [Aug./Sept. 2000] as 
i write this:


Jesus may have lived for all of us, but it was the city he worked for,
travelling its streets in boxy municipal vehicles wearing a yellow 
hard hat

and bright green safety vest.

from the 'lord at work' sect.

http://www.farmpulp.com/



- Original Message -
From: ivan lópez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: HYPER NETWORK



On Aug 24, 2005, at 7:47 PM, _dream.thick[ener]_ wrote:



http://textzi.net/1/textzine01.pdf
At 10:41 AM 25/08/2005, you wrote:



On Aug 24, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Lanny Quarles wrote:


i couldn't read the spanish text,
but i have a stack of farm pulps,
i read that zine for years.


 i'd love to flip through that stack of farm pulps.


coincidentally miekal's gif bears a striking resemblance to some of
dee's code-squares..


coincidentally, the spanish text was formatted using javE.

best,
ivan

http://textzi.net





Studio as History

2005-08-25 Thread Lanny Quarles

Hey Ryan,
I'm reading _Studio as History_ by Ryan White
this is you right?

the introduction is interesting, especially this:

Here the crystal - the very opposite of the historical
-as the poet's refractory tool, appears as the index of
a certain aesthetic occurence; an occurence of an aesthetic.
The crystal's making-strange of the 'everyday' is nothing
other than the action of a naturalism understood as ahistorical:
it is refractory an hard, simply a part of the ground, one of those
things which happens before judgement, language, economy.

Why is the crystal the very opposite of the historical. (or is it history in 
the sense of ideological historicism as
history)
It seems to me that in its oddly constrained morphology via language 
materiality,
'the mechanical', and the process of feedback, with all kinds of attendant
distortions, the crystal or in Wolframist terms 'computationalism'
seems as good a way of describing culture as an autonomous meta-biological
entity (shades of ?White) as any.. The Ahistorical naturalism.. is this the 
infinity
of unrecordable minutiae that performs the 'content' of history? and is this 
minutiae
the substance of an aesthetic 'occurence', a 'refractory' tool? or perhaps some 
kind of deanthropomorphisation
of the subject read as a universal instantiation of arbitrariness re: carbon, 
etc.
There's some post-structuralism haunting this.. at any rate straighten me out 
here,
i think i'm already flummoxed!! with this thing.