Re: [WSG] New CSS site
Michael I agree with your budgetary concerns. To fill this void, many universities are now merging their art departments with their media studies departments to offer advanced programs for graphic artists and web developers so that they can wear both hats [graphic designer-developer programmer]. I was the very first at the University at Buffalo (New York) to be conferred with their post-masters certificate of advanced studies (CAS) in New Media Design. This graduate program is all about conveying information visually on the Internet, media devices, and other venues. It covered the art and function with programming for 21st century. The new media artist is the designer of the next generation and they will be expected to wear several hats. Leo * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Netscape versions
Hi Peter Yes, you wouldn't want to check in them all. Of course their are outliers, such as organisations with NS4 installed as the default browser, but other than those situations it comes down to a business and standards based (future business :D ) decision: Business: How long is it going to take you to get a website release passable to those who use older browsers versus the time it takes to mention an upgrade path to those users? It has been a lot easier for me to give a hint for someone to upgrade than hack code to make things work in applications that weren't designed for what you are trying to do. So scratch NS4.8 and less. (Added to the general confusion is that Netscape 4.8 was released in Aug 2002, about 18 months after NS6 was branched from Mozilla and about a year after NS7 was branched. Makes some sort of sense!) Business/Standards Netscape 6 was branched from an alpha release of Mozilla code in late 2000 or so -- it's buggy. Generally we wouldn't support an 0.6-0.9 release of Mozilla so we shouldn't concern ourselves with NS6 (but it does do most things better than 4). Still, scratch 6.x Standards: That leaves us with Netscape7, branched from Mozilla ~1.01. It's based on a stable release of Mozilla and adds some AIM and ICQ guff - we should support it (it's easy to support) even though we will most likely not see another NS browser. Some links: http://www.mozilla.org/releases/milestones.html http://www.mozilla.org/docs/mozilla-faq.html http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html HTH James BTW Sorry if this goes out of a thread, I am in between PC's at the mo. Re: Netscape versions By Universal Head /Mon 15 Mar 2004 at 05:28 PM/ This is interesting - but lots of people still use Navigator right? I guess I was asking the difference between build numbers too, because the Netscape site has versions 7.1, 7.0, 6.2, 6.1, 4.7, 4.8 4.6, 4.5, 4.0, 3.0 and 2.0. Obviously I don't want have to check in them all ... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Open source Relevant CSS tab?
El lun, 15-03-2004 a las 04:04, Tim escribió: it basically provides all the relevant CSS that affects any given element, based on where you put the cursor within the code view of the markup. AFAIK, no other tool has this feature (correct me if I'm wrong). Sounds to me like the 'Show computed styles' bookmarklet http://www.web-graphics.com/mtarchive/000846.php -- Manuel González Noriega Simplelógica, construcción web URL: http://simplelogica.net EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TELEFONO: (+34) 985 22 12 65 Logicola es el weblog de Simplelógica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/ /pThat's right. We said Frontpage./p * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] New CSS site
Hi I am just very new to the group and would like to have a url to see this beautiful site. Could you please send one. Thanks Sandy come and play on the board http://www.artgally.com Come and see the art show http://www.artgally.com/cswart Come and see the poetry show http://www.artgally.com/cswpoetry Come and see the Kid's Art http://theartmania.com Peter Gifford's beautiful work makes me wonder if I should call myself a designer at all.
RE: [WSG] New CSS site
Hi I am just very new to the group and would like to have a url to see this beautiful site. Could you please send one. Thanks Sandy come and play on the board http://www.artgally.com Come and see the art show http://www.artgally.com/cswart Come and see the poetry show http://www.artgally.com/cswpoetry Come and see the Kid's Art http://theartmania.com Peter Gifford's beautiful work makes me wonder if I should call myself a designer at all.
Re: [WSG] Testing multiple versions of IE
as i understand it, the browsers do behave as they should for each different version number. i believe that what the multiple versions do is load the rendering engine from, say, IE5, into the framework of IE6. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] New CSS site
All I got when I clicked on these URLs was page not available. Kim Buttery, Richmond, VA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sandra WoodsSent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:55 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WSG] New CSS site Hi I am just very new to the group and would like to have a url to see this beautiful site. Could you please send one. Thanks Sandycome and play on the boardhttp://www.artgally.com Come and see the art showhttp://www.artgally.com/cswart Come and see the poetry showhttp://www.artgally.com/cswpoetry Come and see the Kid's Arthttp://theartmania.com Peter Gifford's beautiful work makes me wonder if I should call myself a designer at all.
RE: [WSG] Superscript Text
wouldn't sup/sup do the trick? br, Tom -Oorspronkelijk bericht-Van: Ward Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Verzonden: maandag 15 maart 2004 16:27Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Onderwerp: [WSG] Superscript Text Hi all, I have been using CSS to style my text for a few months, but I cannot figure out how to style in an exponent. So far, I have had to resort to using "5 x 10E6" which seems completely outdated. I thought I should be able to surround the exponent with the span tags and then raise the text with CSS, but I cannot find anything that works. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely,Ward S. Scott Instructional DeveloperGulf Coast Regional Blood CenterHouston, TX 77054[EMAIL PROTECTED] --This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, or copying of this message and its attachments or the information contained herein is prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail message from your computer. Thank you. Disclaimer Aan dit bericht kunnen geen rechten worden ontleend. Dit bericht is uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Als u dit bericht per abuis hebt ontvangen, wordt u verzocht het te vernietigen en de afzender te informeren. Wij adviseren u om bij twijfelover de juistheid of de volledigheid van de mail contact met afzender op te nemen. This message shall not constitute any rights or obligations. This message is intended solely for the addressee. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender immediately. When in doubt whether this message is correct or complete, please contact the sender.
[WSG] Load problem in IE
There's been a problem with a bit of load lag in IE from my latest project. In FF08, Safari, and NN7 it comes up without the lag. Is there something that IE doesn't like about my page, or is it just coughing over the CSS used? I've done many CSS sites in the past, but haven't run into this lag problem. This is also a new site, and I would appreciate any issues or comments about the accessibility or layout, etc. All pages are validated XHTML Trans and the CSS checks too :) The names of the sections/links may sound quite odd, but the client has requested those specific names (aka, can't change them). site: http://www.theward.net/psyc css: http://www.theward.net/psyc/css/general.css -- Ryan Christie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.theward.net * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Superscript Text
I think you're looking for
.classname {vertical-align: super};
cheers
andrew
Ward Scott wrote:
I have been using CSS to style my text for a few months, but I cannot
figure out how to style in an exponent. So far, I have had to resort
to using 5 x 10E6 which seems completely outdated. I thought I
should be able to surround the exponent with the span tags and then
raise the text with CSS, but I cannot find anything that works. Any
suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: [WSG] Superscript Text
The purist's answer would of course be to use MathML (and to heck with missing native support in IE) to mark it up properly from a semantic point of view... ;-) Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk http://www.salford.ac.uk b*'+-~u +
[WSG] check site om Mac OS 9 and IE
Can anyone tell me what is wrong with this site on a Mac OS 9 using IE as browser (no version specified): www.mardahl.dk It was tested in IE 6.0, Firefox 0.8, and Opera 7, but I don't have any Macs available for testing. Someone in one of my networks commented on this problem for her Mac, but felt she was a bother. I had a hard time convincing her I wanted to know more about the problem at her end. She didn't realize she could help me!! The site is being totally redone in a more traditional layout - this was just a fun experiment. I just want to know what the problem with the Mac is. I did look at quirksmode.org, but felt it was easier to ask here. I'm wondering if it is the layout causing trouble, or do I need some kind of hack? Thanks in advance! regards, Karen Mardahl * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Testing multiple versions of IE
Universal Head schrieb: However, does anyone know a way of testing that these are acting as they should for each version number? I do have to methods. First there is a favelet which you can get from my blog. It tells you on the bottom of the browser (don't know the english word for this area) which version it is. The blog is in German but you should find the favelet on http://www.grochtdreis.de/weblog/index.php?id=P157 and you can download it as a url-file from http://www.grochtdreis.de/weblog/GetBrowserVersion2.url The second method is a CSS-method. You can use the Comment Hack, the Star-Seven Hack or the Escape-Hack. More about that: http://www.dithered.com/css_filters/ -- Greetings from Germany Jens Grochtdreis www.grochtdreis.de | flocke-online - Essen im Netz blog.grochtdreis.de | F-LOG-GE www.css4you.de | www.css-technik.de | www.css-faq.de * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Load problem in IE
Ryan The site works well on the Mac and all links worked. It's nicely done; informational and functional. If I had a comment to the design, is would be that some of the pages have a lot of white space from lack of content. Since there are so many headings, why not propose to consolidate the links with little content on one informational page and thus making it easier for the users to find content. Just my thoughts. Leo On Monday, March 15, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Ryan Christie wrote: This is also a new site, and I would appreciate any issues or comments about the accessibility or layout, etc. All pages are validated XHTML Trans and the CSS checks too :) The names of the sections/links may sound quite odd, but the client has requested those specific names (aka, can't change them). site: http://www.theward.net/psyc css: http://www.theward.net/psyc/css/general.css Ryan Christie [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.theward.net * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Overcoming Rejections
I've worked for companies that have websites that are so far afield of web standards that using something standard will break their web pages. This happens most often with web based content management systems. In those cases, it is best just to work with the company's standards rather than the real world standards. For smaller companies, the rejections are often reservations based on a lack of knowledge of current standards or a fear of the standards being too complex to work with for making simple updates. In that case it's a matter of educating the client. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] New CSS site
Jim I think you're referring to my Flash business site, www.universalhead.com, rather than the css one www.cinema4duser.com. This is OT since it's not a css site, but the music doesn't come back on if you nav to another part of the site. Only if you refresh - which is unavoidable since the flash file is reloaded, but it should be unnecessary to refresh the site. As you say the sound is very ambient and can be quickly turned off if required. Thanks for the feedback. Sorry for the OT post, off the list now! Peter On 16/03/2004, at 3:05 AM, Jim Davies wrote: Nice work and all that good stuff but there is a major problem with the music on/off. When turned off, it only stays off for THAT page and comes right back on for the next one or on a refresh. That is VERY bad. I personally have a problem with sites that start off with sound, even soft sound such as this. Consider the people viewing the site. Where are they? Is it at home, work, library? What is the effect when sounds suddenly start emanating from the PC? Just my 2 cents. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Testing multiple versions of IE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as i understand it, the browsers do behave as they should for each different version number. i believe that what the multiple versions do is load the rendering engine from, say, IE5, into the framework of IE6. What unfortunately doesn't work correctly is IE's conditional comments[1] - obviously the framework controls how the browser identifies itself in this regard, not the rendering engine. K. [1] http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp --- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] Brief reminder about Read Receipts
Although it is mentioned in our new guidelines, just a quick reminder... Please, make sure you turn off Read Receipts. They cause all sorts of problems for the WSG list. Peter, who is catching and filtering all our error messages, has been hit with over 90 of them this morning. Thanks Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Pixy's Rollover IE Flicker Fix - Good or bad?
The problem with the CSS sprites solution that Matthias posted is that it I went to the link posted (not the pixy one - the alistapart one) and there was no flicker. Nor did it see that background-position was being used. Then, after reading this last post, I went to the pixy link (which does use background-position). No flicker there either. I'm using IE 6. Did I miss something ?? Gary Menzel Web Development Manager IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4000 PH: 07 333 44 828 FX: 07 3834 0828 If this communication is not intended for you and you are not an authorised recipient of this email you are prohibited by law from dealing with or relying on the email or any file attachments. This prohibition includes reading, printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, storing or in any other way dealing or acting in reliance on the information. If you have received this email in error, we request you contact ABN AMRO Morgans Limited immediately by returning the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy the original. We will refund any reasonable costs associated with notifying ABN AMRO Morgans. This email is confidential and may contain privileged client information. ABN AMRO Morgans has taken reasonable steps to ensure the accuracy and integrity of all its communications, including electronic communications, but accepts no liability for materials transmitted. Materials may also be transmitted without the knowledge of ABN AMRO Morgans. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited its directors and employees do not accept liability for the results of any actions taken or not on the basis of the information in this report. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited and its associates hold or may hold securities in the companies/trusts mentioned herein. Any recommendation is made on the basis of our research of the investment and may not suit the specific requirements of clients. Assessments of suitability to an individual?s portfolio can only be made after an examination of the particular client?s investments, financial circumstances and requirements. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited (ABN 49 010 669 726 AFSL 235410) A Participant of ASX Group * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Open source Relevant CSS tab?
Thanks for the resources, guys! These are really useful. -Tim * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Load problem in IE
Hi, I would consider removing the web standards notice completely or at least to the end of the page. Some people might choose not to have (or be) a web standard browser ( eg Lynx, Google). I think there was a conversation about this issue recently on this list, and you can read more here http://www.webstandards.org/act/campaign/buc/ On Monday, March 15, 2004, at 11:10 AM, Ryan Christie wrote: This is also a new site, and I would appreciate any issues or comments about the accessibility or layout, etc. ./tdw * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Overcoming Rejections
Jamie On Monday, March 15, 2004, at 02:32 PM, Jaime Wong wrote: It's easier to teach my cat to fetch than to change the boss's mind-set. The key is to make the boss feel as though he suggested it. Leo * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Pixy's Rollover IE Flicker Fix - Good or bad?
I went to the link posted (not the pixy one - the alistapart one) and there was no flicker. Nor did it see that background-position was being used. Then, after reading this last post, I went to the pixy link (which does use background-position). No flicker there either. I'm using IE 6. Did I miss something ?? The cause of flickering is choosing Every visit to page in Tools » Internet Options... » Temporary Internet Files » Settings...Perhaps yours is set to Automatic or something else ? Andrew. _ Personalise your mobile chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Open source Relevant CSS tab?
Title: RE: [WSG] Open source Relevant CSS tab? El lun, 15-03-2004 a las 04:04, Tim escribió: Sounds to me like the 'Show computed styles' bookmarklet http://www.web-graphics.com/mtarchive/000846.php i tried that but the link to the actual favelet seems to be broken. i eventually tracked it down on this page: http://www.pixy.cz/blog/favelets/ titled List computed (cascaded) style, and while I can get it to work on *that* page, i dont seem to be able to work on other pages after i drag the 'favelet' to my links toolbar or add to favourites and try using it from there...? am i missing something? using WINXP IE6. looks like a handy tool but.. brain..not.. working ;-) pete
[WSG] W3C standards in Denmark
From the WASP website: http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2004_03.html#a000305 Soren Johannessen of Denmark undertook the task of surveying how many governmental, national, municipal authorities follow the W3C Standards for HTML/XHTML markup in Denmark Some of the results can be found here: http://www.ae35-unit.dk/standard/english.html Regards, David McDonald Regards, David McDonald Web Designer http://www.davidmcdonald.org * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] W3C standards in Denmark
thanks David. Thats a sobering example of real world application of standards ... quoting from the link: How many danish authorities home pages is valid according to the W3C Validator? Numbers % Yes 62 3,05 % No 197196,95 % -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au David McDonald wrote: From the WASP website: http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2004_03.html#a000305 Soren Johannessen of Denmark undertook the task of surveying how many governmental, national, municipal authorities follow the W3C Standards for HTML/XHTML markup in Denmark Some of the results can be found here: http://www.ae35-unit.dk/standard/english.html Regards, David McDonald Regards, David McDonald Web Designer http://www.davidmcdonald.org * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] W3C standards in Denmark
David McDonald wrote: From the WASP website: http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2004_03.html#a000305 Soren Johannessen of Denmark undertook the task of surveying how many governmental, national, municipal authorities follow the W3C Standards for HTML/XHTML markup in Denmark Hey, I'm thinking of doing the same thing here in Romania. I don't expect better results. Some of the results can be found here: http://www.ae35-unit.dk/standard/english.html Regards, David McDonald Regards, David McDonald Web Designer http://www.davidmcdonald.org * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * -- Kindest Regards, Razvan Pop. Web Developer * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] SuckerFish Dropdowns
Hey i've been experimenting with suckerfish drop downs; first off the code works brilliantly, but i wonder if it can be achieved without the extra mark up, if there is a way??? Basicaly what im trying to do is create a CSS based drop down menu with the mark-up length of Mezzoblue's m0se menus, but the funcuality of Suckerfish menus. But im getting no where at the moment, if anyone out there is willing to throw in some suggestions it would be great. -peace _ We've 100s of NEW questions! Play Millionaire online to win . Click here http://sites.ninemsn.com.au/minisite/millionaire/default.asp * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
