Re: [WSG] Feedback on site :: color red
Considering the site is about surgery, I'd steer clear of red altogether! Really bad choice there, unless you are deliberately trying to unnerve people and put them off. How about a soothing blue or a clinical green? Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Feedback on site :: color red
Or gang-green? people and put them off. How about a soothing blue or a clinical green? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] [OT] A few question about PHP/MySQL/Coldfusion
This is very much off topic. For the CF stuff with IIS you should probably join the Daemon list called CFAUSSIE (http://lists.daemon.com.au). However, we install CF under IIS all the time and have no trouble - just follow the prompts. For the IIS and Apache sharing PHP - a PHP list would be better (I have never run PHP with both at the same time). And the rest of the stuff would probably have more people on those other lists that would know the answers. Gary Menzel Web Development Manager IT Operations Brisbane -+- ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle Street BRISBANE QLD 4000 PH: 07 333 44 828 FX: 07 3834 0828 theGrafixGuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/02/2004 07:27 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject [WSG] A few question about PHP/MySQL/Coldfusion (A little off Topic) I had a wipeout on a hard drive that went south so I replaced the drive and loaded Windows Server 2K3. I have just installed Apache on my production machine and run it alongside IIS 6 (which is running port 8080) I am also wanting to install Coldfusion, but that is next. My question is... I have installed PHP for apache, renamed the directory PHP2 and set the config file up properly - All is good and works great! Now I would like to install PHP and MySQL for IIS (WHICH I HAVE NEVER DONE BEFORE). Do I need to install a second PHP or do I use the included IIs config.exe??? If so, how do I protect the already modified PHP.ini in the Windows Directory??? I think the IIS config is the route to take, but I figure I should ask first. Thanks!!! Now to the ColdFusion part - I want to get ColdFusion MX up and running on this machine, but in the past, it has really screwed up on me and messed up the IIS - so what am I doing wrong??? Brian * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * To unsubscribe from this email please forward this email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If this communication is not intended for you and you are not an authorised recipient of this email you are prohibited by law from dealing with or relying on the email or any file attachments. This prohibition includes reading, printing, copying, re-transmitting, disseminating, storing or in any other way dealing or acting in reliance on the information. If you have received this email in error, we request you contact ABN AMRO Morgans Limited immediately by returning the email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy the original. We will refund any reasonable costs associated with notifying ABN AMRO Morgans. This email is confidential and may contain privileged client information. ABN AMRO Morgans has taken reasonable steps to ensure the accuracy and integrity of all its communications, including electronic communications, but accepts no liability for materials transmitted. Materials may also be transmitted without the knowledge of ABN AMRO Morgans. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited its directors and employees do not accept liability for the results of any actions taken or not on the basis of the information in this report. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited and its associates hold or may hold securities in the companies/trusts mentioned herein. Any recommendation is made on the basis of our research of the investment and may not suit the specific requirements of clients. Assessments of suitability to an individual?s portfolio can only be made after an examination of the particular client?s investments, financial circumstances and requirements. ABN AMRO Morgans Limited (ABN 49 010 669 726 AFSL 235410) A Participant of ASX Group * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer
This thread has already been moved offlist to the discussion room: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/09.htm Please do not continue this thread onlist Russ I agree Leo, programming takes a logical mind. Art takes a creative mind. However there is a grey area, and I believe that is left to the gifted :P A graphical designer or artist that can come up with a fresh stylish design AND have all the features of accessability and standards is a rare thing, I guess that's what a lot of us would love to be able to do. That's why I'm here, I would love to find the perfect balance, however i know it's impossible for all to agree on where that balance is. I guess it's more pracitical for me to try and find the majorly accepted balance (^_^) Did I make sence? Ok ok... BASICALLY I wanna rock at this stuff :P hehe * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] hiding clear:both ?
Try Andy Budd's method explained here:
http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2003/12/css_crib_sheet_2_clearing_floats/
.clear {
clear: both;
height: 0;
}
div class=clear!-- --/div
Vaska.WSG wrote:
I hate to ask a dumb question, but I can't find any information about
this altough I'm pretty sure I've read about this someplace.
What I'm trying to do is use
div class=clnbsp;/div
.cl {
clear:both;
}
But the sticky part is that I don't want it to add the extra line
space. I'm not sure of the best way to do this. I believe I need to
have something inside of the div tags (?) and I've tried messing with
visibility:hidden but that threw some more unexpected glitches at me
(well, I was getting two separate lines instead of both on the same
line).
Anybody have a good method for doing this?
Thanks...v
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Re: [WSG] hiding clear:both ?
El vie, 02-04-2004 a las 15:31, Vaska.WSG escribió:
I hate to ask a dumb question, but I can't find any information about
this altough I'm pretty sure I've read about this someplace.
What I'm trying to do is use
div class=clnbsp;/div
.cl {
clear:both;
}
We use to do
hr /
hr {clear:both;display:none}
if you need some visibles hr's, try hr class=clear /
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Re: [WSG] *sigh* drop-downs
Hi Justin, Studies on this topic seem pretty scarce. The only one I'm aware of is http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/51/menu.htm Unfortunately for you it doesn't show a statistically relevant difference in users perceptions of either, Perceived Disorientation, Perceived Ease of Navigation, or Perceived Frustration. What it does show is a speed difference in task completion with a categorical index menu being slightly faster than a drop down. BTW I don't think this was a very good user sample with only 18 people and over 70 percent using the web more than 25 hours a week. Here's another interesting piece of info although not a controlled study that you could use for Proof: http://urlgreyhot.com/drupal/node/view/1440 It shows a significant user preference for use of inline links as opposed to an expanding menu nav. -- Bill McAvinney * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] hiding clear:both ?
Good evening Vaska,
It was foretold that on 2-4-2004 @ 15:31:23 GMT+0200 (which was
15:31:23 where I live) Vaska . WSG would write:
snipped a bit
VW But the sticky part is that I don't want it to add the extra line
VW space. I'm not sure of the best way to do this.
Have you tried this:
.cl {
clear: both;
height: 0;
margin: 0;
line-height: 0;
font-size: 1px; /* keeps IE6 from applying extra space below */
}
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Re: [WSG] My first CSS project---correction
I also looked at the page at (1280x1024) and the text is overlapping the photo. Is that intentional? Hi! I tested your website and it's looking nice ;) One problem though, I viewed the about us in 1024 X 768 resolution and it looked fine, however, in anything less (e.g. 800 X 600) the padding was a bit overwhelming! (_) The paragraph became a bit to skinny. Apart from that it was clear and concise. I like it (^_^) Darian Cabot hello again! I have recently redesigned my business web site using CSS. I was looking for some feedback. http://www.virtualtasks.com The biggest obstacle I ran into was on the about us Page. I am wondering if I over used the padding command. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] CSS Netscape 6 positioning problem
Hi Wsg, I'm new to css and xml but am starting to get into it. A page im working on exhibits a placement problem when the viewed in navigator 6-mac. The page works well in ie 5-mac. Does netscape have problems with some positioning values? The only work around I can think of is doing to sets of values, one for each browser. How would I hide a bit of the style sheet from netscape or explorer? http://www.mcmonagle.biz/botframehome.html Any suggestions? Thanks a million. -Kevin _ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=hotmail/es2ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] CSS Netscape 6 positioning problem
Hi Kevin, It looks like you have problems in more than just NS6 Mac. I'm seeing overlapping content in Firefox 0.8PC as well. Looking at your CSS, I see some incorrect syntax and missing punctuation. You might try validating the CSS and XHTML as a place to start eliminating problems such as these. Validating first is always a good rule of thumb. CSS Validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ HTML Validator: http://validator.w3.org As for hiding code from certain browsers, it's best not to do that unless there is a known CSS browser bug that can't be avoided in other ways (e.g. the IE Box Model Hack). After all, the point of using web standards is to create one set of code to serve all. Will Chatham oOo www.willchatham.com --- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer
Sorry. Everytime I reply it takes a long time to appear in the thread. I dunno if it's my mail service or what, but that message I wrote didn't appear for ages. (_) ...you might see this one by tomorrow?? :P and by that time maybe it's also on the discussion board (-_-; ) Darian Cabot -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Cabot Consultants Pty Ltd Software Engineer / Website Design http://www.cabotconsultants.com.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This thread has already been moved offlist to the discussion room: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/09.htm Please do not continue this thread onlist Russ I agree Leo, programming takes a logical mind. Art takes a creative mind. However there is a grey area, and I believe that is left to the gifted :P A graphical designer or artist that can come up with a fresh stylish design AND have all the features of accessability and standards is a rare thing, I guess that's what a lot of us would love to be able to do. That's why I'm here, I would love to find the perfect balance, however i know it's impossible for all to agree on where that balance is. I guess it's more pracitical for me to try and find the majorly accepted balance (^_^) Did I make sence? Ok ok... BASICALLY I wanna rock at this stuff :P hehe * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer
I think there must be something wrong with your email service Darian because I haven't seen it yet. And it's the day AFTER tomorrow already. Cheers Mike Kear -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darian Cabot Sent: Saturday, 3 April 2004 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer Sorry. Everytime I reply it takes a long time to appear in the thread. I dunno if it's my mail service or what, but that message I wrote didn't appear for ages. (_) ...you might see this one by tomorrow?? :P and by that time maybe it's also on the discussion board (-_-; ) Darian Cabot * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG]Tables or DIVs / Spans?
Just looking through my archives for some info on forms and found this. I am wondering about the use of the legend tag in the first example (http://www.amonline.net.au/sand/using/survey.htm) to set out the question. Would this be better suited/more semantically correct in the label tag? I guess I am trying to figure out the exact role of the legend tag and if it is describing the structure/grouping of the questions rather than the questions themselves? Any comments? James -Original Message- From: russ weakley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 2:01 AM To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG]Tables or DIVs / Spans? Hi Beau, Where possible I'd try and go for non-tables, and use standard form elements and form-accessibility elements in conjunction with CSS to control the visual layout of a form. This means that fieldsets could be used to contain each question block, and legends as the form questions. The hidden ones would include id and label for. Here is one example I did a while ago with all style controlled by accessibility elements (it looks at little wide on a full page as it is designed for a popup window - it is set to flow out to width of containing box): http://www.amonline.net.au/sand/using/survey.htm Another even simpler (and older) example is where spans can be used to position the elements so they can control the width of elements so they line up as if in a table (but without all the extra code): http://www.hhmc.com.au/downloads/index.htm This second form example above uses 3 paragraphs, and the questions are set within spans set to specific widths - pushing them out to line up with each other down the page. If I were to do that form now I'd use labels or standard form elements to do the job so no spans were required - semantically more pure. Having said all that, I'm sure there are complex forms where it would be harder to simple use standard accessibility elements or form elements as the basis for CSS controlled layout - divs or simple containing tables may have to be used. One quick comment about the first example above is that using fieldsets and legends forced me to lay out the form in a simpler, cleaner manor. This made the table easier to use for normal vision users as well. The visible containers (which are actually containers to help blind users) helped to contain each question for those with vision as well. What do others think? Russ Hi all, along a simliar vein to this question, how's this one; If you are designing a form/survey, would you also go for a table? It's not *really* tabular data, you are using the table for layout/perhaps grouping of elements more than anything. I know we should be using things like fieldsets, tab order, labels and all other wonderful form elements like that, but they are also compatible with tables (except perhaps fieldsets to some extent...), but what's the verdict about the overall layout? I know some forms are easily re-designed to avoid tables, but others would really struggle without some sort of rigid, grid-based layouts. Where do we sit on this one? Personally, I think I'd go for a table-based design if the layout was particularly complex or I thought it required it, but I'd attempt to redesign the form (if that was an option) so that this wasn't necessary. Beau * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Links for light reading...
Accessibility checklist: http://www.yourusabilityresource.com/2004/03/accessibility_c.html Evaluating web site accessibility: seven steps http://www.csun.edu/cod/conf/2004/proceedings/203.htm March for web standards http://hownow.brownpau.com/misc/m4west.html Four new Zen Garden entries: http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/086/086.css http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/087/087.css http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/088/088.css http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/089/089.css Web Design is Information Design http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2004/04/web_design_is_information_design/in dex.php W3C link checker released: http://www.w3.org/News/2004#item54 Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] WSG Design competition is now open
As mentioned a week or so ago, We are introducing a design competition for members. Russ, Excellent news about the competition, however I have a question about the voting system. You say All members will only be allowed one vote (though you can change your vote). My question is will the voting results will be kept secret until the voting finishes, or will they be known before voting closes so we can change our vote accordingly? It might make a big difference as to whether or not the poll reflects the true intentions of the group. woric PS: Secret is bad. Big bad. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG]Tables or DIVs / Spans?
Hi James The legend tag is most useful for grouping fieldset sections of forms, the label tag describes only one input element. I've put this to use on sydney.ug.php.net form fieldset legend/legend labelinput //label /fieldset fieldset legend/legend labelinput //label labelinput //label /fieldset fieldset legend/legend labelinput //label labelinput //label labelinput //label /fieldset /form HTH James James Gollan wrote: Just looking through my archives for some info on forms and found this. I am wondering about the use of the legend tag in the first example (http://www.amonline.net.au/sand/using/survey.htm) to set out the question. Would this be better suited/more semantically correct in the label tag? I guess I am trying to figure out the exact role of the legend tag and if it is describing the structure/grouping of the questions rather than the questions themselves? Any comments? James -Original Message- From: russ weakley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 2:01 AM To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG]Tables or DIVs / Spans? Hi Beau, Where possible I'd try and go for non-tables, and use standard form elements and form-accessibility elements in conjunction with CSS to control the visual layout of a form. This means that fieldsets could be used to contain each question block, and legends as the form questions. The hidden ones would include id and label for. Here is one example I did a while ago with all style controlled by accessibility elements (it looks at little wide on a full page as it is designed for a popup window - it is set to flow out to width of containing box): http://www.amonline.net.au/sand/using/survey.htm Another even simpler (and older) example is where spans can be used to position the elements so they can control the width of elements so they line up as if in a table (but without all the extra code): http://www.hhmc.com.au/downloads/index.htm This second form example above uses 3 paragraphs, and the questions are set within spans set to specific widths - pushing them out to line up with each other down the page. If I were to do that form now I'd use labels or standard form elements to do the job so no spans were required - semantically more pure. Having said all that, I'm sure there are complex forms where it would be harder to simple use standard accessibility elements or form elements as the basis for CSS controlled layout - divs or simple containing tables may have to be used. One quick comment about the first example above is that using fieldsets and legends forced me to lay out the form in a simpler, cleaner manor. This made the table easier to use for normal vision users as well. The visible containers (which are actually containers to help blind users) helped to contain each question for those with vision as well. What do others think? Russ Hi all, along a simliar vein to this question, how's this one; If you are designing a form/survey, would you also go for a table? It's not *really* tabular data, you are using the table for layout/perhaps grouping of elements more than anything. I know we should be using things like fieldsets, tab order, labels and all other wonderful form elements like that, but they are also compatible with tables (except perhaps fieldsets to some extent...), but what's the verdict about the overall layout? I know some forms are easily re-designed to avoid tables, but others would really struggle without some sort of rigid, grid-based layouts. Where do we sit on this one? Personally, I think I'd go for a table-based design if the layout was particularly complex or I thought it required it, but I'd attempt to redesign the form (if that was an option) so that this wasn't necessary. Beau * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
