Re: [WSG] free web accessibility checking toolbar
I don't know if this is old news or not, but I came across a Mozilla/Firefox toolbar similar to the IE Toolbar called Webdeveloper. The website is: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/webdeveloper There is a version for Mozilla and Firefox and like the nils.org.au Accessibility Toolbar, is very easy to use. Also has some functionality the other doesn't have.. Like forms.. Ralph Mazzitelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/01/04 9:00:28 Windows only unfortunately :( Peter Steven Faulkner, from the Accessible Information Solutions (AIS) team, has developed a free web accessibility checking toolbar for Internet Explorer http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/toolbar/ The Accessibility Toolbar software contains a range of Tools: To examine discrete aspects (structure/code/content) of a html document To facilitate the use of 3rd party applications To simulate the user experience of different users Along with a range of references and additional resources. This transmission is for the intended addresse only. If you have received this transmission in error, please delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this E-Mail are the opinion of the author only and are not necessarily endorsed by the New South Wales Department of Corrective Services. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] A discussion leads to an idea - Dynamic CSS!
Has anyone ever toyed with this idea before and if so what were the results??? I'm amazed how people seem to suddenly get this A-HA! moment. In the last few months I've read various forum discussions, blog entries and articles about wouldn't it be great to create your CSS via PHP/ASP/etc? I did something like this about 4 years ago. It worked pretty fine, but the main problem is that you risk putting extra strain on the server, as the dynamic stylesheet needs to be created at every single request, and can't be cached on the user's machine. So any bandwidth-saving benefits that the separation of content and presentation might have go up in smoke. You can limit the damage slightly by having a main, static stylesheet that contains the bulk of styling and can be cached, and a second minimal one for the few dynamic properties you want to have. At least this way only the small one needs to be generated and sent to the browser. Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster External Relations Division Faraday House University of Salford Greater Manchester M5 4WT Tel: +44 (0) 161 295 4779 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] webteam: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] A discussion leads to an idea - Dynamic CSS!
El vie, 23-04-2004 a las 11:20, theGrafixGuy escribió: Has anyone ever toyed with this idea before and if so what were the results??? Oh, yes. Some fine samples: http://1976design.com/blog/archive/2004/02/03/php-dynamic-css/ http://richardathome.no-ip.com/index.php?article_id=106 -- Manuel González Noriega Simplelógica, construcción web URL: http://simplelogica.net EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TELEFONO: (+34) 985 22 12 65 Logicola es el weblog de Simplelógica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/ /pThat's right. We said Frontpage./p * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] style sheet for print
Hello all, Anyone know of a good tutorial/reference or even a template for the style sheet for media=printer Barb -- Barbara Dozetos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physician's Computer CompanyMarketing Team 1 Main St., Ste 7 802-846-5532 Winooski, VT 05404 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] style sheet for print
Hi Barb, You can try http://www.alistapart.com/articles/goingtoprint/ for media=print -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barbara Dozetos Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 9:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] style sheet for print Hello all, Anyone know of a good tutorial/reference or even a template for the style sheet for media=printer Barb -- Barbara Dozetos [EMAIL PROTECTED] Physician's Computer CompanyMarketing Team 1 Main St., Ste 7 802-846-5532 Winooski, VT 05404 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] style sheet for print
Anyone know of a good tutorial/reference or even a template for the style sheet for media=printer Barb Perhaps one of the best: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/goingtoprint/ Will Chatham oOo www.willchatham.com --- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] style sheet for print
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Dear WSG, This group seems like a great group and will take advantage of the information that I learn through the digest and visiting your website. I have always been interested in Web Standards, and have a special interest in web accessibility. Living in Massachusetts USA, means that I probably will never attend a meeting. Have you ever considered having your meetings online somehow. I realize time may also be a factor, just a thought. Nancy Johnson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 12:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: You have subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome to The Web Standards Group. Please read this message and store it for future reference. It contains instructions for receiving the list in Digest Mode WHO ARE WE? The Web Standards Group is for web developers/designers who are interested in web standards, CSS and (X)HTML and related topics. The aim is to provide web developers/designers a forum (via our mailing list and regular meetings) to discuss issues and share knowledge in standards-related web development. We also aim to get the web standards message out to the web development community, provide information/assistance to developers who have not yet embraced standards-based development. POSTING MESSAGES Messages to the list are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mail list is for all of us. You can post about anything to do with web standards - such as: - in-progress sites for peer review - completed sites for peer review - interesting sites you come across that address web standards well (or poorly) - good articles you find on web standards, CSS, (X)HTML and related topics. - questions or problems you may have relating to web standards, CSS, (X)HTML and related topics. - topics you'd like to open up for group discussion relating to web standards, CSS, (X)HTML and related topics. This list is not rigidly controlled, so don't be shy about posting. Someone will tell you if a post is off topic! Thanks for joining, Russ and Peter __ To unsubscribe from the list, please log in to http://webstandardsgroup.org/ and then select Unsubscribe from the menu in the members section. __ Digest Mode Send an email from your subscribed account to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with set mode digest wsg (no quotes) as the BODY (not subject) and it will be so. The digest is a pain on some mail clients (Outlook and Eudora I think... should be OK on Entourage I believe) as it separates into many attachments to try an get around mixed content (text and HTML) gracefully and SmarterTools have heeded our request to allow us to force the digest to all text and this should be available in the next release (SmarterMail 2.0). __ Commands to be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (used in the body of the message NOT the subject line): Help wsg Set mode digest wsg Set mode standard wsg Command descriptions: Using the Help wsg command will reply with help associated to the WSG list. Using the Set mode digest wsg command will send all messages from lists within one file based on an interval by the moderator (daily at 5am AEST). Using the Set mode standard wsg command will send all messages individually and is the standard option. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] style sheet for print
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Welcome to the WSG Nancy! Online meetings is not something that has been suggested as far as I know but maybe worth looking into if there is enough interest. (Just a reminder that anyone with ideas like this can leave a comment to the member feedback thread over at the discussion room- http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/08.htm) Just so you know by my count there as 9 members in the state of Massachusetts, 6 of whom live in Boston and 1 who lives near Boston. As a co-organiser of the Melbourne Group, that's about as many members as we had on the books when the decision to start a Melbourne Group was made. It just takes one or two people willing to get the thing off the ground. The advantage? Apart from meeting like minded people and networking, you can often solve a problems face to face alot quicker and easier. So if there are any Boston types interested, maybe we can move this thread to the discussion room, so you can chat and get organised. That's how the Brisbane group got off the ground. cheers dez Dear WSG, This group seems like a great group and will take advantage of the information that I learn through the digest and visiting your website. I have always been interested in Web Standards, and have a special interest in web accessibility. Living in Massachusetts USA, means that I probably will never attend a meeting. Have you ever considered having your meetings online somehow. I realize time may also be a factor, just a thought. Nancy Johnson * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
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Nancy Johnson wrote: I have always been interested in Web Standards, and have a special interest in web accessibility. Living in Massachusetts USA, means that I probably will never attend a meeting. Have you ever considered having your meetings online somehow. I realize time may also be a factor, just a thought. If you've got web access where you do the meeting, I guess it would be possibly to set up a streaming server and stream the meetings. With SkillSwap I've even wondered about setting up an informal group iChatAV. Don't know if it'd work though. On the subject of international groups, I wonder if anybody has thought about integrating the WSG with http://webstandards.meetup.com/ ? Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
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At 10:28 AM 4/23/2004 -0400, you wrote: Dear WSG, This group seems like a great group and will take advantage of the information that I learn through the digest and visiting your website. It is a great group indeed, helpful and friendly people from down under (literally) for us ;o) I have always been interested in Web Standards, and have a special interest in web accessibility. Living in Massachusetts USA, means that I probably will never attend a meeting. Same here, unless I get to Tasmania this summer, might go there for a conference so if it is good in time I might try to attend as it's not far away then, else I live just north of you, Maine, USA Have you ever considered having your meetings online somehow. I realize time may also be a factor, just a thought. Would be a cool thing, but probably somewhat hard to administer on a free basis, but you just never know Regards ~Veine Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
[WSG] Submit Buttons - dont fall in with other input elements...
Why is it that input type="submit" buttons are larger than type="text" inputs... even when you set their fonts the same, the padding the same, the margins the same??? is there anything written about this? thanks! -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://www.neester.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] Org Charts
Does anybody have some good examples of proper HTML and good css for a Org charts. Actually the semantically correct HTML just layers of unordered lists, and the corresponding List Items. I'm just having trouble visualizing how I need to construct the CSS under it to get the visually preferred tree structure. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Org Charts
Great question! I must admit to copping out to a gif on the rare occasions we have had to do this but SVG may be an option. Does anyone know if the SVG plug-ins are pre-installed with browsers (IE in particular) now? I seem to have the adobe plug-ins (I'm on WinXP Pro) but can't remember if I installed it myself. Also what native support for SVG is around in the other browsers? P Does anybody have some good examples of proper HTML and good css for a Org charts. Actually the semantically correct HTML just layers of unordered lists, and the corresponding List Items. I'm just having trouble visualizing how I need to construct the CSS under it to get the visually preferred tree structure. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] MovableType books or tutorials
Comrades Can anyone point me in the direction of decent MT reference material? Tutorials, tips etc. I'm just playing with the application for the first time, looks like I'm in for a few late nights... Malarkey * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] RE: You have subscribed to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Dear WSG, Thank you all for responding. I am still exploring your website and what you have to offer since I discovered you all only this morning. In reply to the individual who talked about the webstandards meetup: I joined a css meetup once, and I think I was the only one that signed up in my area so it never happened. I understand the limitations in setting up an online meeting, but would support this if it could ever happen. If anyone in my area of New England, ever wants to meet, I am game. Take care, Nancy Johnson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of afdesign Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] RE: You have subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome to the WSG Nancy! Online meetings is not something that has been suggested as far as I know but maybe worth looking into if there is enough interest. (Just a reminder that anyone with ideas like this can leave a comment to the member feedback thread over at the discussion room- http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/08.htm) Just so you know by my count there as 9 members in the state of Massachusetts, 6 of whom live in Boston and 1 who lives near Boston. As a co-organiser of the Melbourne Group, that's about as many members as we had on the books when the decision to start a Melbourne Group was made. It just takes one or two people willing to get the thing off the ground. The advantage? Apart from meeting like minded people and networking, you can often solve a problems face to face alot quicker and easier. So if there are any Boston types interested, maybe we can move this thread to the discussion room, so you can chat and get organised. That's how the Brisbane group got off the ground. cheers dez Dear WSG, This group seems like a great group and will take advantage of the information that I learn through the digest and visiting your website. I have always been interested in Web Standards, and have a special interest in web accessibility. Living in Massachusetts USA, means that I probably will never attend a meeting. Have you ever considered having your meetings online somehow. I realize time may also be a factor, just a thought. Nancy Johnson * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] MovableType books or tutorials
Website: Learning Movable Type - http://www.elise.com/mt/ Website: blogdsgn - http://www.blogdsgn.com/ Book: Sams Teach Yourself Movable Type in 24 Hours (Coming Soon) by Molly Holzschlag and Porter Glendinning - http://www.samspublishing.com/title/067232590X And don't forget there's the MT manual cheers dez Also a href=http://www.molly.com/;Molly Holzschlag/a and Porter Glendinning have written a href=http://www.samspublishing.com/title/067232590X;Sams Teach Yourself Movable Type in 24 Hours/a which is available for pre-order. Andy Clarke wrote: Comrades Can anyone point me in the direction of decent MT reference material? Tutorials, tips etc. I'm just playing with the application for the first time, looks like I'm in for a few late nights... Malarkey * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Org Charts
Hello Peter! I also use WinXP since 1 or two months; and whilst i have an analog clock made of svg on my desktop, i know that IE 6.0 hasn?t support for SVG installed yet, i had to make an install form adobe... Opera doesn?t render the clock neither before nor now. BAD NEWS is that what u wanted? Am Sat, 24 Apr 2004 04:12:25 +1000 schrieb Peter Firminger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Great question! I must admit to copping out to a gif on the rare occasions we have had to do this but SVG may be an option. Does anyone know if the SVG plug-ins are pre-installed with browsers (IE in particular) now? I seem to have the adobe plug-ins (I'm on WinXP Pro) but can't remember if I installed it myself. Also what native support for SVG is around in the other browsers? P Does anybody have some good examples of proper HTML and good css for a Org charts. Actually the semantically correct HTML just layers of unordered lists, and the corresponding List Items. I'm just having trouble visualizing how I need to construct the CSS under it to get the visually preferred tree structure. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- DAS online-Lexikon... http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Org Charts
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:57:20 -0400, Peters Micheal A Contr GSI/SCBN wrote: I'm just having trouble visualizing how I need to construct the CSS under it to get the visually preferred tree structure. We discussed this on the CSS-D list ages ago, and were forced to conclude that it couldnt be done reliably with CSS alone :( (Google for the discussion) (We were discussing geneology displays, but the format is pretty close :)) Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Drop down blues ....
http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/ is supposed to be good and XHTML compatible -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Martin Stender wrote: Speaking of which ... I used to use the standard IE 'wysiwyg' editor for my CMS stuff, but moving to XHTML renders that totally useless. It removes quotes in id/class names on elements, translates all elements to upperclass etc. I've been looking into Midas and Mozile ... any thoughts on that, anyone? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Submit Buttons - dont fall in with other input elements...
Chris It's just the way the browser's put together their widgets - try to do the most minimal styling on widgets anyway, take a look at Safari, or input type=file and you'll see what I mean :D There's no such thing as pixel perfect on the web, unless your page is a bitmap. Cheers James Chris Stratford wrote: Why is it that input type=submit buttons are larger than type=text inputs... even when you set their fonts the same, the padding the same, the margins the same??? is there anything written about this? thanks! -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://www.neester.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Submit Buttons - dont fall in with other input elements...
Aww thanks :) Yeah i thought so.. I was just hoping a submit button has default padding or something i wasnt sure about... i cant check what you meant because i dont have safari :) (or a mac) but i will take your word for it :D Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://www.neester.com James Ellis wrote: Chris It's just the way the browser's put together their widgets - try to do the most minimal styling on widgets anyway, take a look at Safari, or input type="file" and you'll see what I mean :D There's no such thing as pixel perfect on the web, unless your page is a bitmap. Cheers James Chris Stratford wrote: Why is it that input type="submit" buttons are larger than type="text" inputs... even when you set their fonts the same, the padding the same, the margins the same??? is there anything written about this? thanks! -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://www.neester.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] Org Charts
Hi all I have no idea what an Org chart is but I guess we are talking about graphing or tree views of some sort. I've done some cool stacked bar graphs in CSS with inline style - but I provide a plain text version as well (given that I use red and green on the bars). Peter F's question asked about the support for SVG in browsers: Gecko based browsers have some good support from Mozilla.org: http://mozilla.org/projects/svg/ Has a really good description of what SVG is and how to turn it on in Mozilla. This is a project not a product at Mozilla.org so it's not a stable build. Possible that we may get SVG enabled Mozilla's soon? There is also a mozdev project called SVG graphs http://svggraphs.mozdev.org/index.html An SVG plugin links and info page at mozdev.org : Windows - http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/en-AU/windows1.html#AdobeSVG Linux - http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/en-AU/linux.html#SVG Mac OSX - http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/OSX.html#SVG Opera has this info : http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=466 Cheers James Peter Firminger wrote: Great question! I must admit to copping out to a gif on the rare occasions we have had to do this but SVG may be an option. Does anyone know if the SVG plug-ins are pre-installed with browsers (IE in particular) now? I seem to have the adobe plug-ins (I'm on WinXP Pro) but can't remember if I installed it myself. Also what native support for SVG is around in the other browsers? P Does anybody have some good examples of proper HTML and good css for a Org charts. Actually the semantically correct HTML just layers of unordered lists, and the corresponding List Items. I'm just having trouble visualizing how I need to construct the CSS under it to get the visually preferred tree structure. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
