Re: [WSG] A discussion leads to an idea - Dynamic CSS!
On 23/04/2004, at 7:20 PM, theGrafixGuy wrote:
I met with a programmer today to actually discuss the idea of a
Portland,
Oregon based WSG - he likes the idea and will talk to others about the
idea.
However, during our ongoing 3 hour conversation over a few pints, the
discussion eventually moved from WSG to web design and then to
experimental
design.
Then an interesting idea hit the table, what is to prevent a person
from
creating a dynamic stylesheet.
Has anyone ever toyed with this idea before and if so what were the
results???
It depends on your definition of dynamic... I've built PHP-driven
stylesheets to serve a stylesheet customised to the browser or user,
but I was concerned about the caching which:
- if it cached, wouldn't be dynamic
- if it didn't cache, would cost bandwidth and performance
It enabled me to do really simple stuff, like store my colour pallet in
PHP variables, allowing for hassle free redesigns and tweaking (body {
background-color: ?=$col1?; ? for example). And more complicated
stuff like testing for certain user-agent strings for tweaking, or even
user-preference based style-sheets and style-sheets to reflect the time
of day, or the weather, or whatever else... the guts of the problem
(which I haven't properly investigated) was caching...
I think a more realistic option would be using PHP to dynamically
*link* to an appropriate STATIC style-sheet (eg ie6.css, or
nighttime.css or winter.css), which would still allow full caching by
the browser.
Now, since I just had my wisdom teeth out last night, I should go back
to the couch :)
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Justin French
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[WSG] Trying to add a back to top link
Hello, I am trying to add a back to top of page link to PHP dynamically generated pages. The header and footers for these page never change so the anchor is in the header and the link in the footer. Header Anchor: a name=top/a HARD CODE link used in the body of the static pages (which I want to pull out to place in the footer!) a href=index.php?main_page=index#top title=Back to Topimg src=images/button_top.gif alt=Back to top width=86 height=20 border=0 class=rollover //a Now my PHP skills are weak but growing stronger, which is why I am asking for the help here. As the pages are long in many cases (requiring two or more page-downs), I desperately want to improve accessibility by including the back to top link on all pages. So what I want to make happen is to is have the a href= tag index.php?main_page=index (or whatever page this happens to be on) filled in by the php and then add the #top at the end so that is it all autonomous and I can put this on ANY and all pages) While I have it working in some pages as a hard coded link, I can't figure out what to place where in regards to the PHP. I am trying basename($PHP_SELF) but am lost now as I am over my head here. Thanks * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] A discussion leads to an idea - Dynamic CSS!
Then an interesting idea hit the table, what is to prevent a person from creating a dynamic stylesheet. Has anyone ever toyed with this idea before and if so what were the results??? I use code to rewrite my CSS. That way a site admin can choose a different option for layout or colours or whatever. The code rewrites the relevant CSS file(s) and the site changes as per the admin's intent. Whilst it is a limited system, the benefits are good and it doesn't have any of the downsides that others have mentioned so far. Works well for me! Cheers, Lachlan Hardy * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link
Have you considered using a href=#top.../a ? --Ben http://www.daemon.com.au/ theGrafixGuy wrote: I am trying to add a back to top of page link to PHP dynamically generated pages. The header and footers for these page never change so the anchor is in the header and the link in the footer. a href=index.php?main_page=index#top title=Back to Topimg src=images/button_top.gif alt=Back to top width=86 height=20 border=0 class=rollover //a * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link
Yes and that goes back to the root index page - as mentioned these pages are dynamic! Brian -Original Message- From: Ben Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 2:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link Have you considered using a href=#top.../a ? --Ben http://www.daemon.com.au/ theGrafixGuy wrote: I am trying to add a back to top of page link to PHP dynamically generated pages. The header and footers for these page never change so the anchor is in the header and the link in the footer. a href=index.php?main_page=index#top title=Back to Topimg src=images/button_top.gif alt=Back to top width=86 height=20 border=0 class=rollover //a * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link
Hi Brian I think this subject is OT, but I think Ben is right; I have a dynamic php-side, and I am using Ben's solution. Regards Anders - Original Message - From: theGrafixGuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link Yes and that goes back to the root index page - as mentioned these pages are dynamic! Brian -Original Message- From: Ben Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 2:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link Have you considered using a href=#top.../a ? --Ben http://www.daemon.com.au/ theGrafixGuy wrote: I am trying to add a back to top of page link to PHP dynamically generated pages. The header and footers for these page never change so the anchor is in the header and the link in the footer. a href=index.php?main_page=index#top title=Back to Topimg src=images/button_top.gif alt=Back to top width=86 height=20 border=0 class=rollover //a * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link
I think I have the right track here if I can figure out how to write it??? I know that one can't stick php in a tag like that:-/ a href=? $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] ?#top -Original Message- From: Anders Ebdrup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 4:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link Hi Brian I think this subject is OT, but I think Ben is right; I have a dynamic php-side, and I am using Ben's solution. Regards Anders - Original Message - From: theGrafixGuy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link Yes and that goes back to the root index page - as mentioned these pages are dynamic! Brian -Original Message- From: Ben Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 2:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link Have you considered using a href=#top.../a ? --Ben http://www.daemon.com.au/ theGrafixGuy wrote: I am trying to add a back to top of page link to PHP dynamically generated pages. The header and footers for these page never change so the anchor is in the header and the link in the footer. a href=index.php?main_page=index#top title=Back to Topimg src=images/button_top.gif alt=Back to top width=86 height=20 border=0 class=rollover //a * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link
On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 04:03:41 -0700, theGrafixGuy wrote: Yes and that goes back to the root index page - as mentioned these pages are dynamic! (This is really OT, but it should be quick and easy -) Have you put a base statement in your HTML? That'll point the #... to the wrong page. If you really want to specify the current page, have you tried $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] ? Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link
El sáb, 24-04-2004 a las 13:41, theGrafixGuy escribió: I think I have the right track here if I can figure out how to write it??? I know that one can't stick php in a tag like that:-/ a href=? $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] ?#top Yes, you can. You are only lacking the echo part a href=? echo $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] ?#top or the shortcut notation a href=?=$_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] ?#top -- Manuel González Noriega Simplelógica, construcción web URL: http://simplelogica.net EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TELEFONO: (+34) 985 22 12 65 Logicola es el weblog de Simplelógica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/ /pThat's right. We said Frontpage./p * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Trying to add... THREAD CLOSED
THIS THREAD IS CLOSED - OFFTOPIC The mail list does not cover: Discussion of server-side scripting beyond that directly involved with Web Standards http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm If you wish to help further, answer Brian (therGaphixGuy) offlist. Thanks Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link
Yes there is a base statement built in to the system. And sorry if it is OT, as I am trying very hard to add accessibility in steps as I can, but I am really stuck here and grasping at straws Essentially, I am trying to figure out how to wrap the URL the PHP or vice versa - as this ain't working casue it ain't written right ;-/ a href=? $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] ?#top Brian -Original Message- From: Lea de Groot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 4:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link On Sat, 24 Apr 2004 04:03:41 -0700, theGrafixGuy wrote: Yes and that goes back to the root index page - as mentioned these pages are dynamic! (This is really OT, but it should be quick and easy -) Have you put a base statement in your HTML? That'll point the #... to the wrong page. If you really want to specify the current page, have you tried $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] ? Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Trying to add a back to top link
Have you considered using a href=#top.../a ? Yes and that goes back to the root index page - as mentioned these pages are dynamic! Are you using the BASE element? #top is a reference to a local fragment, the page shouldn't reload or load another page unless you have set a base URI. ...or am I missing something? chris * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] marquee text
Dont know if this will help you Im new to web standards stuff, but Project VII makes extensions for Dreamweaver, and one of them animates layers. I think the extension is free. What I dont know is if the _javascript_, for which this extension produces is also considered accessible or within web standards The extension can be found on Macromedia Exchange site.
RE: [WSG] MovableType books or tutorials
Movabletype.org has links to tutorials and a link to a webring about it... ByteDreams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Clarke Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] MovableType books or tutorials Comrades Can anyone point me in the direction of decent MT reference material? Tutorials, tips etc. I'm just playing with the application for the first time, looks like I'm in for a few late nights... Malarkey * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re:[WSG] MovableType books or tutorials
I've found http://www.mediatinker.com/blog/archives/007806.html to be a helpful tutorial on figuring out what is what with the default MT Templates, graphically. ByteDreams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Movabletype.org has links to tutorials and a link to a webring about it... ByteDreams -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Clarke Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] MovableType books or tutorials Comrades Can anyone point me in the direction of decent MT reference material? Tutorials, tips etc. I'm just playing with the application for the first time, looks like I'm in for a few late nights... Malarkey * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- Andy King Eggs create chickens so there can be more eggs. http://normlife.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Some light reading...
Fear of web standards ...caused by fear of the unknown, and the feeling of not having enough time and energy to spend on relearning how to do your job http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200404/fear_of_web_standards/ CSS Drop shadows 2 http://www.alistapart.com/articles/cssdrop2/ Stylin' forms: http://meryl.net/informit/ SimpleQuiz ð Part XV: Numbered List Pairs http://www.simplebits.com/archives/2004/04/20/sq.html Lift and separate ... have you ever changed the look of a (commercial) site without touching the HTML? http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/04/15/ Selling usability by design http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/archives/selling_usability_by_design.php SEO and Web Accessibility http://www.bigmouthmedia.com/search_engine_information/optimisation_accessil ility/ Mark Stanton's comments on this SEO article: Does he have anything decent to say in the article? Yes - lots of good stuff the overall message is one more reason to support standards, which is cool with me. Is the main thrust of the article correct? Not really. I think he is stretching the point a little bit using a bit of positive thinking to demonstrate a relationship that doesn't actually exist. Read for yourself and decide... Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
