Re: [WSG] Critique please

2004-07-16 Thread Kyle Barrow
Looks good on Safari and validates in the W3C validator. Not a 
validation issue but more contrast between some or your text and 
background colours will improve accessibility.

Cheers
Kyle
On 2004 Jul 16, , at 14:26, Richard Lake wrote:
Could you critique http://www.pricklypair.co.nz for me please. I've 
aimed to
be standards compliant and accessible but I'm sure there's still some 
work
to do in that area.
This is my first PHP/mySQL site and there's still some work to be done
around the ordering area etc, but it works pretty much the way I'd 
designed
it to.
I'd really welcome your comments.
TIA
Richard
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[WSG] Flash in different browsers

2004-07-16 Thread Gavin Cooney
Hi All,

I have a page with a flash pie chart on it. 
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/testResults.cfm?testID=247560testUUID=C1CDB6E1-C314-A418-C97C52990D47F6EC

It is not showing up in some browsers. What's the best way of placing
this flash chart?

http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81300

Thanks

Gav

PS any other comments on this site? (flash detection is not done yet).
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/
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RE: [WSG] Good radio station sites?

2004-07-16 Thread Michael Kear
Title: FW: [WSG] Good radio station sites?








Thank you Peter, thats
exactly the idea I had in mind. I could design it myself but I think its
an opportunity for a designer starting out in standards/css/xhtml design. Its
a project that doesnt pay anything in money terms. But therell be credit
on the site, and the designer can put it in their portfolio. There is
no restrictions on the design, except for good sense, and the fact that we don't
want to change our logo because its used in lots of places.
So a designer has a pretty wide brief. Its a way for a designer to
learn to design a site that covers a lot of different types of pages, and
using only CSS for styling. On a resume thats going to
look pretty good. A media site, designed to the latest standards.
Looks good to me. 







Not many people have time to take on
probono projects, but I have 3 I look after, as part of my commitment to my
hobbies and a way of adding back to organisations that do a lot for
me. But it also offers me the way to use my skills and learn to do
things where I don't have a client wanting that done right
now. For example, when I needed to learn how to convert
a site from old fashioned tables based layout to CSS based layout, I didnt
have a client ready to do that at the time. But I have these probono
sites, and I picked one for a re-vamp. I needed to learn how to make a
content management system, and didnt have a well-heeled client
ready to build one, so I built one for one of my probono sites.



If this site works out as well as we
hope, were going to be making an issue of it on the station. Our
listenership covers most of the Sydney metro area and we run ads pointing to
the site 8 times a day. Were going to be raising its profile a lot in the
national radio organisation CBAA and other media groups. Were
going to be putting effort into making it a feature of the station.
Our station is one of the oldest community stations in the country  25 years
continuous 24hour a day broadcasting and we are technically very
advanced. For example our sports calling equipment is more advanced
than 2GBs. We might run the station on a shoestring but
the equipment we use is state-of-the-art. Its an all-digital station
and our gear isnt old second hand cast-offs from other stations.
Were one of the few radio stations in the country that can run 3 outside
broadcasts simultaneously with no one back in the studio in town.
(we recently had a group doing crosses from a hospital fundraiser, and calling
the NRL game at Panthers Stadium at the same time as running the station from
the Hawkesbury Show from our OB bus). The station is prepared to
have a go at things.



As to the design brief, the station
management has accepted my idea that we should rebuild our pretty boring site
into something thats a showcase  an example for others to
follow. Weve laid out a pretty ambitious siteplan for the content
were going to have, and I have ambitious plans for how Im going
to build it. I want to use the latest coldfusion techniques, and
use XHTML strict if I can manage it, so the resulting code is right up to
date. And we need a design thats eyecatching, up to date, and
cuts some new ground in media web sites.



I hope someone sees some personal benefit
from committing their time to doing a design for it. Ive
found doing probono work gives me the confidence to say yes I can build
a site like that because with probono I can take risks and try things I wouldnt
be game to try on a clients dime.



I havent had any offers so far
Peter, but if I don't, Ill definitely take you up on it. Thanks for your
offer.



Cheers

Mike Kear

Windsor, NSW, Australia

AFP Webworks

http://afpwebworks.com















From:
Peter Ottery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 16 July 2004 10:52
AM
To: 'Michael Kear'
Subject: FW: [WSG] Good radio
station sites?





Hi
Michael, 
sounds like a really worthwhile
cause and good on you for taking on the challenge! :) 

I'm
guessing (and hoping) you get a few offers from young designers that have some
time on their hands and are willing to contribute some design talent to the
project.

But in
the event that you dont - let me know and I'd be prepared to contribute a
design for it. 

What i
mean is - theres potentially some young and talented kids out there that could
really benefit from adding something like this to their portfolio (and get
something out of the exercise for themselves) but yeah - i know what its like,
and everyone is busy - so if you dont get any offers to help out - let me know
and I'd love to help out.

pete




Peter Ottery 
Head of Design 
f2 Network 

(02) 8596
4450 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

www.f2.com.au 








Re: [WSG] Flash in different browsers

2004-07-16 Thread scott parsons
personally I think you should use an embed tag as provided by macromedia 
when you publish the .swf...
but since you seem to be using hixie's conditionals...
here is the original article from hixie
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064count=1

Gavin Cooney wrote:
Hi All,
I have a page with a flash pie chart on it. 
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/testResults.cfm?testID=247560testUUID=C1CDB6E1-C314-A418-C97C52990D47F6EC

It is not showing up in some browsers. What's the best way of placing
this flash chart?
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81300
Thanks
Gav
PS any other comments on this site? (flash detection is not done yet).
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/
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Re: [WSG] Flash in different browsers

2004-07-16 Thread scott parsons
ooops, hit send too soon...
I was going to go on to say that the only obvious differences were your 
lack of width and height attributes... you could try putting them back in...

s
scott parsons wrote:
personally I think you should use an embed tag as provided by 
macromedia when you publish the .swf...
but since you seem to be using hixie's conditionals...
here is the original article from hixie
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064count=1

Gavin Cooney wrote:
Hi All,
I have a page with a flash pie chart on it. 
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/testResults.cfm?testID=247560testUUID=C1CDB6E1-C314-A418-C97C52990D47F6EC 

It is not showing up in some browsers. What's the best way of placing
this flash chart?
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81300
Thanks
Gav
PS any other comments on this site? (flash detection is not done yet).
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/
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Re: [WSG] Critique please

2004-07-16 Thread Mark Stanton
Hi Richard 

I really like it - maybe three small comments, all very minor:

1) You're using inline styles in a number of places.

2) div id =' footnav' - there is a space in front of a number of
your id attribute values. Not sure how this would affect CSS, JS,
etc..

3) indent is a poor choice for a class name. Describe *why* the data
in presented the way it is, rather than describing the presentation.

9.5 out of 10. Good stuff.

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Re: [WSG] Flash in different browsers

2004-07-16 Thread Gavin Cooney
Thanks Scott,

that worked a treat. 

http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81305

Nice to see Netscape 4 is behaving well as always! 
http://www.browsercam.com/projects/81305/1341243.jpg

Gav

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:50:34 +1000, scott parsons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ooops, hit send too soon...
 I was going to go on to say that the only obvious differences were your
 lack of width and height attributes... you could try putting them back in...
 
 s
 
 
 
 scott parsons wrote:
 
  personally I think you should use an embed tag as provided by
  macromedia when you publish the .swf...
  but since you seem to be using hixie's conditionals...
  here is the original article from hixie
  http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064count=1
 
 
  Gavin Cooney wrote:
 
  Hi All,
 
  I have a page with a flash pie chart on it.
  http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/testResults.cfm?testID=247560testUUID=C1CDB6E1-C314-A418-C97C52990D47F6EC
 
 
  It is not showing up in some browsers. What's the best way of placing
  this flash chart?
 
  http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81300
 
  Thanks
 
  Gav
 
  PS any other comments on this site? (flash detection is not done yet).
  http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/
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[WSG] Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Lea de Groot
Sorry not to report back more promptly, the usual bedlam and madness 
ensues here :)
The Brisbane Meeting this month was a smaller affair than the first 
one, but a lively meeting happened nonetheless. 
Marc's presentation was very well received.
Last month, Tony told us how to make our websites standards compliant. 
This month, Marc told us why we should.
:)
A very interesting and detailed open forum followed - for those who 
were unable to attend, you *really* missed something!

Next meeting should be Wed September 8 - put it in your diary now! :)

warmly,
Lea
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RE: [WSG] Oh, the humanity!

2004-07-16 Thread Chatham, Will

  AMG has posted a response to the criticism of the new design here 
  (amusing):
  
  http://www.gloriousnoise.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1992
 

I wrote them an note when I first learned of the site, and have since
noticed they have taken down the big yellow warning at the top of their
page.  However, this response page they have posted digs them a deeper hole.

As a loosely organized body, maybe we could create a letter to send them
that summarizes everything we have all been saying, explaining their
misperceptions and offering some sage advice.  That might seem a little
presumptory or arrogant of us, but it really shows that we care about seeing
companies make the right decisions when building sites.

Any thoughts?

Will Chatham

oOo
www.willchatham.com
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Re: [WSG] Flash in different browsers

2004-07-16 Thread James Ellis
Gavin, Scott.
Try doing this:
http://www.webqs.com/experiment.php?id=15
apologies for the link links. I stopped working on my site ages ago 
due to other work commitments.

I'm sure you can tweak it to output a markup page based on the insert 
method name here method. Currently it allows you to output a XHTML 
compliant template straight out of Flash MX. Not sure how it works with 
the latest Flash as I haven't done anything in that area for a year or so.
In fact you can output just about any template based on your project 
architecture, really good for teams of pixel pushers. One of the little 
hidden gems in Flash.

The standard output produced by MM for Flash MX is in dire need of 
update as it hasn't really changed since the days of Aftershock - pg 
175  of the Flash 3 manual! (thems were the days).

Cheers
James
scott parsons wrote:
personally I think you should use an embed tag as provided by 
macromedia when you publish the .swf...
but since you seem to be using hixie's conditionals...
here is the original article from hixie
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064count=1

Gavin Cooney wrote:
Hi All,
I have a page with a flash pie chart on it. 
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/testResults.cfm?testID=247560testUUID=C1CDB6E1-C314-A418-C97C52990D47F6EC 

It is not showing up in some browsers. What's the best way of placing
this flash chart?
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81300
Thanks
Gav
PS any other comments on this site? (flash detection is not done yet).
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/
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RE: [WSG] Oh, the humanity!

2004-07-16 Thread Martin J. Lambert
Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen wrote:
 
   This isn't a simple brochure-ware site of static pages.
 
 Why not?


I agree with most of what you wrote, but just wanted to address this one
point.  I used to work for CDNOW before it went under, and can tell you why
it isn't a simple site of static pages - there's WAY too much music out
there, changing MUCH too quickly, to ever hope to keep up with it manually.

That said, there's absolutely no reason why it couldn't be a simple site of
database-driven *templates*, each of which adheres to web standards and is
accessible to all visitors.  I've done it myself, on a site that actually
licensed much of AllMusic's content.

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Re: [WSG] Flash in different browsers

2004-07-16 Thread scott parsons
That looks like some great work, but I always think it is worth noting 
that with flash satay there are issues involved as well, including 
problems with streaming

James Ellis wrote:
Gavin, Scott.
Try doing this:
http://www.webqs.com/experiment.php?id=15
apologies for the link links. I stopped working on my site ages ago 
due to other work commitments.

I'm sure you can tweak it to output a markup page based on the insert 
method name here method. Currently it allows you to output a XHTML 
compliant template straight out of Flash MX. Not sure how it works 
with the latest Flash as I haven't done anything in that area for a 
year or so.
In fact you can output just about any template based on your project 
architecture, really good for teams of pixel pushers. One of the 
little hidden gems in Flash.

The standard output produced by MM for Flash MX is in dire need of 
update as it hasn't really changed since the days of Aftershock - pg 
175  of the Flash 3 manual! (thems were the days).

Cheers
James
scott parsons wrote:
personally I think you should use an embed tag as provided by 
macromedia when you publish the .swf...
but since you seem to be using hixie's conditionals...
here is the original article from hixie
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064count=1

Gavin Cooney wrote:
Hi All,
I have a page with a flash pie chart on it. 
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/testResults.cfm?testID=247560testUUID=C1CDB6E1-C314-A418-C97C52990D47F6EC 

It is not showing up in some browsers. What's the best way of placing
this flash chart?
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=81300
Thanks
Gav
PS any other comments on this site? (flash detection is not done yet).
http://www4.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/
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[WSG] Mac IE 5.2 and horizontally presented lis

2004-07-16 Thread Scott Reston

I'm in the process of redesigning my company's site using a non-tabled layout. For the 
most part, things are going well (if not slowly) as I hone my CSS skills (thanks! to 
everyone on-list that's helped me out so far).

I'm running into a problem with the presentation of my primary navigation in Mac IE 
5.2. I'm pretty confident that I should be able to get this to work (the examples i've 
learned from check out just fine doing a similar effect).

I'm looking for some help with:
http://www.capstrat.com/development/cs2004/template4.html

the div in question is #navigation. 

i've essentially got:
ul
litop-level label
ul
lisub-item/li
lisub-item/li
/ul
/li
lianother top-level label/li
/ul

the li's in the top-level should display horizontally, with the subs vertically below 
them.
Is there anyone that might be able to kick me in the right direction? i've built from 
the list tutorials at ALA and Maxdesign.com


correct:
http://www.browsercam.com/projects/81363/1343480.jpg


not so correct:
http://www.browsercam.com/projects/81363/1343476.jpg


scott reston
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[WSG] What to do when an External Link won't Validate?

2004-07-16 Thread Shane Helm
I have a site I am working on.  All the pages I've created validate 
except:
http://sonze.com/isl/res1.html

An external link to another site doesn't validate (line 40).  I get 
several errors.  Is there anything I can do to make the page validate 
or is it a lost cause since I don't control the external site I'm 
linking to?

Thank you in advance.
Shane Helm
{ sonzeDesignStudio
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Re: [WSG] Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Ern Marshall
Could some one please unsub me from this group...thank you very much. I 
have enjoyed my time here
Ern Marshall

Lea de Groot wrote:
Sorry not to report back more promptly, the usual bedlam and madness 
ensues here :)
The Brisbane Meeting this month was a smaller affair than the first 
one, but a lively meeting happened nonetheless. 
Marc's presentation was very well received.
Last month, Tony told us how to make our websites standards compliant. 
This month, Marc told us why we should.
:)
A very interesting and detailed open forum followed - for those who 
were unable to attend, you *really* missed something!

Next meeting should be Wed September 8 - put it in your diary now! :)
warmly,
Lea
 

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In Vietnam we have lived hours of fraternal, warm and exalting nobility. Here for a 
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It is hard to return to servitude.
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Re: [WSG] What to do when an External Link won't Validate?

2004-07-16 Thread Sage Olson
You need to encode your ampersands as amp;
For example, this:
http://domain.com/foo.php?barcar
Should be changed to this:
http://domain.com/foo.php?baramp;car
-Sage
On Jul 16, 2004, at 3:48 PM, Shane Helm wrote:
I have a site I am working on.  All the pages I've created validate 
except:
http://sonze.com/isl/res1.html

An external link to another site doesn't validate (line 40).  I get 
several errors.  Is there anything I can do to make the page validate 
or is it a lost cause since I don't control the external site I'm 
linking to?

Thank you in advance.
Shane Helm
{ sonzeDesignStudio
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Re: [WSG] Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
From: Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A very interesting and detailed open forum followed - for those who 
were unable to attend, you *really* missed something!

Next meeting should be Wed September 8 - put it in your diary now! :)
And what do we do if we are in New Zealand?
Can you have a meeting here and let us join?
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http://www.t94xr.net.nz/
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Re: [WSG] What to do when an External Link won't Validate?

2004-07-16 Thread Amit Karmakar
Shane, 

You can create TinyUrls for the long list of links.
More info here: http://tinyurl.com/

Or you can also go to Dan Benjamin's excellent URL cleaner
http://automaticlabs.com/products/urlcleaner/

All the best.

Regards,
Amit Karmakar
www.karmakars.com


On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:48:06 -0600, Shane Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a site I am working on.  All the pages I've created validate
 except:
 http://sonze.com/isl/res1.html
 
 An external link to another site doesn't validate (line 40).  I get
 several errors.  Is there anything I can do to make the page validate
 or is it a lost cause since I don't control the external site I'm
 linking to?
 
 Thank you in advance.
 
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Re: [WSG] Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Lea de Groot
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:22:24 +1200, t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote:
 And what do we do if we are in New Zealand?
 Can you have a meeting here and let us join?

Nothing stopping you from starting your own meetings - whats your 
location in New Zealand and we'll look at how many members are in your 
location :)
(Or you could book a ticket for September ;))

Lea
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[WSG] Meetings in new cities

2004-07-16 Thread Peter Firminger
Hi all,

If you want to see how many people are in your area (and if you have over
ten you can probably start a meeting group) please log into the site, scroll
down on the member home page to Country/Member count and click View Details
(or just go to http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/login_view.cfm )

Scroll down about 2/3 of the page and you'll see City totals.

Check your city and if you have a good number of people, let us know
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and we can contact the people in your area to see if there
is any interest.

Perth and Canberra, we'll be onto you soon. London and New York are also
candidates for our first non-Australian meeting groups.

P


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[WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Lea de Groot
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:28:22 -0700, Jim Barricks wrote:
 And what about Marina Del Rey, CA. :-)

Is CA California or Canada?
Oh, Looks like California

Hmmm... we have 215 members in the USA, but haven't asked about 
location at any finer granulation.
Hands up if you're in California!
(and, on the assumption that CA state is a moderately large place - 
particularly hands up whose in the general  Marina Del Rey area?)

warmly,
Lea
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Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Jim Barricks
At 08:40 PM 7/16/2004,Lea de Groot, your nimble fingers typed...
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 17:28:22 -0700, Jim Barricks wrote:
 And what about Marina Del Rey, CA. :-)
Is CA California or Canada?
Oh, Looks like California
Hmmm... we have 215 members in the USA, but haven't asked about
location at any finer granulation.
Hands up if you're in California!
(and, on the assumption that CA state is a moderately large place -
particularly hands up whose in the general  Marina Del Rey area?)
warmly,
Lea
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Hi Lea,
Marina Del Rey, CA is a suburb of Los Angeles, California. Paradise!!! :-)
Best,
Jim Barricks
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RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Michael Kear
Ah yes,  Los Angeles, Paradise.  At least you can SEE the air they make you
breathe.  g

Cheers
Mike Kear


Hi Lea,

Marina Del Rey, CA is a suburb of Los Angeles, California. Paradise!!! :-)

Best,
Jim Barricks


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RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report

2004-07-16 Thread Peter Firminger

 Marina Del Rey, CA is a suburb of Los Angeles, California.
 Paradise!!! :-)

 Best,
 Jim Barricks

Might be best to list yourself as Los Angeles then, or is it really too far
spread? I've only seen the airport :)

This is why we ask for the general city rather than suburbs or sattelite
cities. I suspect there are some pretty close to Boston that list their
city/suburb locally as well (Cambridge etc.).

If you're interested in a meeting in your area, it might be a good idea to
change your location to one that shows the closet major city you're prepared
to travel to for a meeting.

Oh, and please be neat, check the list to see the way others have entered
the state etc. Use proper capitalisation. US states should be your two
letter code (Uppercase). I keep an eye on it and adjust accordingly but it's
time consuming. Also, check the spelling of your country. Some are entered
in the local version and some in the English dirivitave (e.g. Brasil instead
of Brazil, Espana instead of Spain).

P


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Re: [WSG] Critique please

2004-07-16 Thread Neerav
Richard
Not bad, If you hadnt told me I wouldnt have known it was a first attempt.
The only 3 problems I found were:
1. http://www.pricklypair.co.nz/contactus.php lets me enter the fullstop 
character for all fields, you need to validate to at least check for an 
@ sign

2. The white bird of paradise photo 
http://pricklypair.co.nz/images/strelnic.jpg is missing

3. When a page/image is not found, a standard 404 error is displayed.
You can customize your server's error message so your users are not 
struck with this unhelpful error by creating a custom 404 error page eg: 
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2003/02/13/davidsklar.html

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Richard Lake wrote:
Could you critique http://www.pricklypair.co.nz for me please. I've aimed to
be standards compliant and accessible but I'm sure there's still some work
to do in that area.
This is my first PHP/mySQL site and there's still some work to be done
around the ordering area etc, but it works pretty much the way I'd designed
it to.
I'd really welcome your comments.
TIA
Richard
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