ADMIN: THREAD CLOSED Re: [WSG] [OT] Monospaced Unicode Font

[Lea de Groot]

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:31:11 +0700, Peter A. Shevtsov wrote:
> Sorry to be a bit off-topic.
> I'm looking for a free monospaced unicode font which supports CJK 
> (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) characters as well as Latin, Greek and 
> Cyrillic.

A bit
This is completely off topic.
Please direct any replies back to Peter, not the list.

Guys, we've got a few of these 
absolutely-nothing-to-do-with-web-standards posts sneaking in again.
Can we find more appropriate venues, please?

Thanks,
Lea
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[WSG] CSS - select list

[Zaac Woodhead]

Title: Message




Is it possible to apply css to a select drop 
down/multiple select list.
Have a design on my desk with a fully 
formatted selectl list - including the arrows, etc. I know it does not meet standards, but 
is this possbile?
 


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RE: [WSG] Absolute positioning vs floats

[Anura . Samara]

Thanks everyone for your thoughts on positioning vs float... except of
course that opinion is divided! As usual, its a matter of finding the best
fit for what I want to achieve.

I think I might do a new version of the site using floats over the weekend,
just to see if it makes a difference. My real reason for avoiding floats is
that I always seem to come unstuck when defining the width of various divs,
and end up with odd multi-pixel spaces all over the place - particularly
when there are margins, and a mix of fluid and liquid elements.

Then again, I'm quite happy with what I have no except for the fact that
Opera dies at above 200% zoom.

Thanks again. I've only been lurking here for a couple of weeks but all the
advice I've seen posted has been great.

AS


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RE: [WSG] Some updates on WE04 and free briefing session

[Hill, Tim]

What about the people who signed up before? Don't we get a free drink
with dan cederholm and his equally amazing web standards book? Can we
also get a signed photo from the event holders? Cameron was mentioning
that bikini contest... 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Friday, 27 August 2004 12:06 AM
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Subject: [WSG] Some updates on WE04 and free briefing session

Hi all, 

First of all, the "Free Briefing for Education and Government" next
Thursday night is all but full. We have over 70 people coming to this
event which is absolutely amazing.

We're really pleased that interest in web standards and accessibility
has spread throughout Australia over the last 12 months. In this
context, WE04 should be a great event!

There's one thing that kind of mystifies us though: although we've had
more than enough people sign up already to make WE04 happen, we haven't
actually had a lot of WSG members. Our only guess is that you guys are
cagey types who won't sign up till you absolutely have to.

So, we've come up with some incentives to give you all a bit of a prod
along, and make sure you don't miss out. We're announcing this here now,
and then a few other places over the next 24 hrs, so if you get it
together and register quickly you could win...

The Loot 

The first 10 individuals to sign up after this announcement goes out
will get a copy of Dan Cederholm's fantastic new book "Web Standards
Solutions".

The first 10 groups of 4 or more from the same company who sign up will
get a 10 user site license for XStandards, the most advanced standards
based XHTML WYSIWYG editor available. So, if you were thinking of
getting a few people from your team involved, make sure you get 4 and
you'll get a 10 seat license for this great tool as a bonus - if you are
quick!

WE04 - the info

When : 30 September, 1st October
Where : UTS, Sydney
Who : Joe Clarke, Dave Shea, Doug Bowman, Nigel MacFarlane from the W3C,
Bruce Macguire and a range of local talent.
How much : $AU750, including all refreshments
More:  http://we04.com

Thanks
Russ

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[WSG] [OT] Monospaced Unicode Font

[Peter A. Shevtsov]

Hello List,
Sorry to be a bit off-topic.
I'm looking for a free monospaced unicode font which supports CJK 
(Chinese, Japanese, Korean) characters as well as Latin, Greek and Cyrillic.

Thanks!
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RE: [WSG] GeoURL/Seach engine localisation

[Joshua Street]

Yep, that's what it stands for... more of a programmers joke than
anything else, methinks.  It is a standard "of sorts" for detailing
lat/long, specifically for locating blog-sites whose authors are
geographically nearby.

I'm sure it could be used for postage rates and other things, as you
say, but people don't seem to be aware of it or bothering to use it. 
It's an interesting idea, even if existing technologies don't take
advantage of it.

And, of course, as an added bonus, it has a fun acronym ;)

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On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 14:04, Barry Beattie wrote:
> 
> 
> this is going to sound even more OT but ...
> ICBM: Inter-contental Balistic Missile, yes? 
> 
> or is it a standard of sorts for detailing lat/long? (I'm thinking of
> uses for postage rates, distances, etc ...)
> 
> just a thought...
> cheers
> barry.b
> 
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Joshua Street
> Sent: Friday, 27 August 2004 1:38 PM
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> Subject: [WSG] GeoURL/Seach engine localisation
> 
> This is something which has been bugging me for a few days, so I'm
> asking here... it's not standards as such, but it is accessibility
> related to a vague extent ;)
> 
> GeoURL is still not functioning (http://geourl.org), but the meta tags
> which are used to specify location are as follows:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I was wondering if search engines (Google, I'm looking at you) can/do
> make use of this "ICBM" data for localisation?  I know that it works on
> IP blocks, and possibly other data, but why not this as well?  Or do
> search engines use this information already?
> 
> And if so, why aren't more people using it to get targeted traffic?
> 
> This is primarily a 'bloging thing, of course, but I see no reason why
> it shouldn't be more widely applied.
> 
> Just curious... I'm hoping this isn't too far off topic.
> 
> Joshua Street
> 
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Re: [WSG] Re: PHP and XHTML 1.0 Strict

[Mordechai Peller]

east wrote:
There is an issue with session generation through a web form and 
validation. Automatically creating a session that is to be passed 
through a POST creates a hidden input field directly after the first 
form tag.  Since in XHTML, a  requires that a block level 
element (like fieldset) enclose it's content, the auto session id 
creation violates this, and your page won't validate.
Here's how to fix it: http://martin.f2o.org/php/session 
But that's still under the control of the programmer. It is the 
programmers responsibility to make sure the settings are correct. It is 
true with many products that the default setting are geared to the 
lowest common denominator.
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RE: [WSG] GeoURL/Seach engine localisation

[Barry Beattie]

this is going to sound even more OT but ...
ICBM: Inter-contental Balistic Missile, yes? 

or is it a standard of sorts for detailing lat/long? (I'm thinking of
uses for postage rates, distances, etc ...)

just a thought...
cheers
barry.b

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Subject: [WSG] GeoURL/Seach engine localisation

This is something which has been bugging me for a few days, so I'm
asking here... it's not standards as such, but it is accessibility
related to a vague extent ;)

GeoURL is still not functioning (http://geourl.org), but the meta tags
which are used to specify location are as follows:




I was wondering if search engines (Google, I'm looking at you) can/do
make use of this "ICBM" data for localisation?  I know that it works on
IP blocks, and possibly other data, but why not this as well?  Or do
search engines use this information already?

And if so, why aren't more people using it to get targeted traffic?

This is primarily a 'bloging thing, of course, but I see no reason why
it shouldn't be more widely applied.

Just curious... I'm hoping this isn't too far off topic.

Joshua Street

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[WSG] GeoURL/Seach engine localisation

[Joshua Street]

This is something which has been bugging me for a few days, so I'm
asking here... it's not standards as such, but it is accessibility
related to a vague extent ;)

GeoURL is still not functioning (http://geourl.org), but the meta tags
which are used to specify location are as follows:




I was wondering if search engines (Google, I'm looking at you) can/do
make use of this "ICBM" data for localisation?  I know that it works on
IP blocks, and possibly other data, but why not this as well?  Or do
search engines use this information already?

And if so, why aren't more people using it to get targeted traffic?

This is primarily a 'bloging thing, of course, but I see no reason why
it shouldn't be more widely applied.

Just curious... I'm hoping this isn't too far off topic.

Joshua Street

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Re: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Vlad Alexander \(XStandard\)]

Hi Simon,



I am on the XStandard dev team. I am not going to do a sales pitch on this
list but I will say that XStandard was designed for the requirements you
described. There are no font-selectors or color-pickers to hide because
these tools create non-standards compliant markup, hence these tools are not
part of the XStandard. Check out this article to see what XStandard does to
make markup accessible and standards-compliant:



http://xstandard.com/page.asp?p=58E6C3F7-E5DF-414F-8AA5-4C8BD2BEFE2A



Also, you might want to validate the Web sites of WYSIWYG editor vendors to
see if their sites validate:



http://validator.w3.org



Regards,

-Vlad

XStandard Development Team

http://xstandard.com

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From: "Simon Chalmers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:32 PM
Subject: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?


> I recently spent heaps of time building a site using css and
> standards-compliant HTML pages.  Now I need to hand back content editing
> to a pool of "unwashed" users. They like changing fonts, adding bright
> colours, bold, underline, centering etc whenever they get the chance.
>
> Ideally I'd like to be able to give them an HTML form to edit from,
> which contains a cut-down HTML WISIWIG editor that allows them to add
> only:
> - bold block of text (which I can access & render as "" ),
> - plain text (which I can access & render as "",
> - links
>
> There were posts on this mailing list a week or 2 back re HTML WISIWIG
> editors, but most give away too much control to the user and produce
> non-css-based HTML.
>
> Its a big site (130,000+ pages) and I can't expect to maintain it all
> myself. What do others in this situation do?
>
>
> Simon Chalmers
> Analyst/Programmer
>
> Level 8, ITS
> Parliament House
> Macquarie Street
> SYDNEY NSW 2000
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Re: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Joshua Street]

Someone posted a list of WYSIWYG editors from their bookmarks folder a
few days back (Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:34:25 -0700 (PDT), according to my
email client) - our development team has been looking at implementing
one for a while now, so this was of some interest.

Out of the 8 listed, the one which appealed to us most (and was free!)
was this one: http://www.kevinroth.com/rte/demo.htm .

Of course, Xstandard is supposed to be great, but (except for the lite
version) costs money -- it's cheaper to go with a "lesser" solution and
customise it into an application we're happy with, rather than pay for a
non-custom solution which makes us more dependent on external providers.

With 130,000+ pages, developing a custom app surely isn't out of the
question?  Or licensing an application such as Xstandard?

The original list of editors has been reproduced below for
convenience...

On Tuesday, 24 Aug at 07:34, Krassy wrote:
> Here's a list of WYSIWYG editors out of my bookmarks
> folder.
> 
> XHTML WYSIWYG Editors:
> 
> (1) Xstandard
> http://www.telerik.com/Default.aspx?PageId=1586
> 
> (2) r.a.d. Editor - The granddaddy of them all. Here's
> a list of only a few of the features:
> * Cross-browser support - IE, Netscape, Mozilla.
> * XHTML compliant.
> * Find and Replace in Design- and HTML-mode.
> * Spell checking with the MS Word dictionaries plus
> Multilingual spell checker(19 languages).
> * Easy localization through XML.
> * Full table editing, Word-like table builder.
> * Document uploader (PDF, DOC, CHM, etc.)
> * Enhanced image dialog, thumbnail generator
> ...etc. 
> The list never ends.
> http://www.telerik.com/Default.aspx?PageId=1586
> 
> 
> WYSIWYG editors I've used or toyed around with:
> 
> (1) ActiveEdit
> * Compatible with IE4+, Netscape 6.2+, and Mozilla
> 1.0+ and works with Mac OS X Safari Browser.
> * Comes with built-in spell checker.
> http://www.cfdev.com/activedit/
> 
> (2) Cross-browser Rich Text Editor
> * Compatible with IE5+/Mozilla 1.3+/Mozilla
> Firebird/Firefox 0.6.1.
> * Comes with ASP/PHP/HTML demos.
> * Supports multiple WYSIWYG editor instances on one
> page
> http://www.kevinroth.com/rte/demo.htm
> 
> (3) FCK Editor
> * Compatible with IE 5+, Mozilla and Netscape
> http://www.fckeditor.net/
> 
> (4) Mishoo HTMLArea
> * Compatible with IE 5.5+ and Mozilla 1.3
> http://dynarch.com/mishoo/htmlarea.epl
> 
> (5) InteractiveTools HTMLArea
> * Compatible with IE 5.5+ (Windows)/Mozilla 1.3 (all
> OS)
> http://www.interactivetools.com/products/htmlarea/
> 
> (6) KUPU
> * Compatible with Netscape, Mozilla and IE
> http://kupu.oscom.org/
> 
> 
> WYSIWYG editors listing:
> 
> (1) http://www.bris.ac.uk/is/projects/cms/ttw/ttw.html
> (2)
> http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Internet/Authoring/HTML/WYSIWYG_Editors/
> 
> 
> WYSIWYG editors research notes:
> 
> (1) http://www.darrelaustin.com/stuff/htmleditors.html
> (2) My notes. See above :)
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> - Krassy
> 
> 
> =
> Krassy Lyakov
> 
> 
> web: http://www.krassy.com/
> blog: http://www.krassycandoit.com/blah/

Hope that helps...

On Fri, 2004-08-27 at 11:32, Simon Chalmers wrote:
> I recently spent heaps of time building a site using css and
> standards-compliant HTML pages.  Now I need to hand back content editing
> to a pool of "unwashed" users. They like changing fonts, adding bright
> colours, bold, underline, centering etc whenever they get the chance. 
> 
> Ideally I'd like to be able to give them an HTML form to edit from,
> which contains a cut-down HTML WISIWIG editor that allows them to add
> only:
> - bold block of text (which I can access & render as "" ), 
> - plain text (which I can access & render as "",  
> - links
> 
> There were posts on this mailing list a week or 2 back re HTML WISIWIG
> editors, but most give away too much control to the user and produce
> non-css-based HTML. 
> 
> Its a big site (130,000+ pages) and I can't expect to maintain it all
> myself. What do others in this situation do?
> 
> 
> Simon Chalmers
> Analyst/Programmer
> 
> Level 8, ITS
> Parliament House
> Macquarie Street
> SYDNEY NSW 2000
> 
> Ph: 02 9230 2943
> Fax: 02 9230 2358
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Re: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Justin French]

On 27/08/2004, at 11:32 AM, Simon Chalmers wrote:
There were posts on this mailing list a week or 2 back re HTML WISIWIG
editors, but most give away too much control to the user and produce
non-css-based HTML.
Most of them are customisable to cut-down the features to only what you 
want to allow.

There's also Textile as an option .
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Re: [WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Anura . Samara]

Well, something like HTMLArea allows you to customise the toolbar, so that
you can remove functionality that you don't want the unwashed to have.

The problem is that I recall it doesn't produce 100% standards-compliant
code

AS



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Re: [WSG] RE: PHP, FORMS and XHTML validation

[Patrick H. Lauke]

James Ellis wrote:
There is a setting in your php.ini file to turn off auto propagation of 
your session id's via URLs (enable_trans_sid I believe). This is good 
for validation (if you are having & problems in URLs) and very good 
for security.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but: without trans_sid, any browser that does 
not support cookies (e.g. lynx and co) will not be able to keep a 
session alive. With regards to accessbility, I'd shy away from this (of 
course, if all you're doing is storing information for non 
mission-critical fluff like stylesheet switcher info and similar, this 
is not a big deal).
Same thing if users are rejecting the cookie (either knowingly or 
because of some draconian IT department's settings on their browser).

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Re: [WSG] list of well constructed websites

[Nick Lo]

http://www.stylegala.com
motivated by the recent email about http://www.chevrolet.com  is 
there an up to date list of well constructed websites that use CSS. - 
Roly
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[WSG] Restricted HTML Editor?

[Simon Chalmers]

I recently spent heaps of time building a site using css and
standards-compliant HTML pages.  Now I need to hand back content editing
to a pool of "unwashed" users. They like changing fonts, adding bright
colours, bold, underline, centering etc whenever they get the chance. 

Ideally I'd like to be able to give them an HTML form to edit from,
which contains a cut-down HTML WISIWIG editor that allows them to add
only:
- bold block of text (which I can access & render as "" ), 
- plain text (which I can access & render as "",  
- links

There were posts on this mailing list a week or 2 back re HTML WISIWIG
editors, but most give away too much control to the user and produce
non-css-based HTML. 

Its a big site (130,000+ pages) and I can't expect to maintain it all
myself. What do others in this situation do?


Simon Chalmers
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Re: [WSG] RE: PHP, FORMS and XHTML validation

[James Ellis]

Steven
There is a setting in your php.ini file to turn off auto propagation of 
your session id's via URLs (enable_trans_sid I believe). This is good 
for validation (if you are having & problems in URLs) and very good 
for security.

I think there was a thread on this about a week ago (regarding turning 
the query string glue from & to &

Cheers
James
Steven Clark wrote:
Well first I'm a goose cos I never turned sessions back on (so the test was 
flawed but then I was tired so it evened out I guess hehe).

   re:   http://www.blog.lindenlangdon.com
a) is proven that the change from relative to absolute url did nothing to 
cure the problem - even though at one point PHP had been writing the session 
stuff into relative URLs

b) is proven and working properly with the following fixes
  # as suggested I used the correct  tags around the form 
contents
  # as suggested by Patrick and others I inserted
  
ini_set('url_rewriter.tags',"a=href,area=href,frame=src,fieldset=");
 at the top of my pages before session_start();

Thanx again everyone, saved my bacon again (Oh I better change my last blog 
:) OOPS! )

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[WSG] RE: PHP, FORMS and XHTML validation

[Steven Clark]

Well first I'm a goose cos I never turned sessions back on (so the test was 
flawed but then I was tired so it evened out I guess hehe).

  re:   http://www.blog.lindenlangdon.com
a) is proven that the change from relative to absolute url did nothing to 
cure the problem - even though at one point PHP had been writing the session 
stuff into relative URLs

b) is proven and working properly with the following fixes
 # as suggested I used the correct  tags around the form 
contents
 # as suggested by Patrick and others I inserted
 
ini_set('url_rewriter.tags',"a=href,area=href,frame=src,fieldset=");
at the top of my pages before session_start();

Thanx again everyone, saved my bacon again (Oh I better change my last blog 
:) OOPS! )

Steven Clark
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www.blog.nortypig.com
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[WSG] Some updates on WE04 and free briefing session

[russ - maxdesign]

Hi all, 

First of all, the "Free Briefing for Education and Government" next Thursday
night is all but full. We have over 70 people coming to this event which is
absolutely amazing.

We're really pleased that interest in web standards and accessibility has
spread throughout Australia over the last 12 months. In this context, WE04
should be a great event!

There's one thing that kind of mystifies us though: although we've had more
than enough people sign up already to make WE04 happen, we haven't actually
had a lot of WSG members. Our only guess is that you guys are cagey types
who won't sign up till you absolutely have to.

So, we've come up with some incentives to give you all a bit of a prod
along, and make sure you don't miss out. We're announcing this here now, and
then a few other places over the next 24 hrs, so if you get it together and
register quickly you could win...

The Loot 

The first 10 individuals to sign up after this announcement goes out will
get a copy of Dan Cederholm's fantastic new book "Web Standards Solutions".

The first 10 groups of 4 or more from the same company who sign up will get
a 10 user site license for XStandards, the most advanced standards based
XHTML WYSIWYG editor available. So, if you were thinking of getting a few
people from your team involved, make sure you get 4 and you'll get a 10 seat
license for this great tool as a bonus - if you are quick!

WE04 - the info

When : 30 September, 1st October
Where : UTS, Sydney
Who : Joe Clarke, Dave Shea, Doug Bowman, Nigel MacFarlane from the W3C,
Bruce Macguire and a range of local talent.
How much : $AU750, including all refreshments
More:  http://we04.com

Thanks
Russ

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