Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] Site review requests and new Brisbane organiser
Jack, I use both PC and Mac. IE 6 on PC and IE 5 on Mac are different in the way they render identical pages. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 23, 2005, at 7:48 AM, John Horner wrote: Can I add one more thing to the site review thing? I often see people asking for their site to be checked on on a Mac, which doesn't really make much sense if you think about it. I can test it for you in the very latest build of FireFox, but that probably isn't what you mean... There are: * browsers which are pretty much identical on Mac and other platforms -- if you've got a problem with Netscape 4 on PC you've almost certainly got it on Mac too * browsers which only exist on Mac, for instance Safari * browsers which have the same names on Mac and PC, for instance IE5, but which are radically different browsers -- don't assume for a second if it works in IE5 on PC it works in IE5 on a Mac so when you ask people to test a site because apparently it doesn't work on a Mac, it really helps to know what browser is being used by the person reporting the problem. Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 3488 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] accessible ways to avoid spam
I'm wondering if any of you have any tips on creative ways to keep spambots from harvesting email addresses on you page, and still keep then accessable to diabled people and text-browsers. Here's my thoughts If you only need to protect a small number of email addresses, there's another approach: throwaway email addresses. I use www.sneakemail.com email addresses on various sites (not to mention email lists with public archives)... when an email address gets too much spam, I just kill it off. The real email addresses are never visible, so they can't be harvested. For the user, the only downside is the email address looks a bit odd. It's not suitable for long-term contacts, but then it shouldn't need to be used more than a couple of times before that relationship is established. Of course you can protect the email address using encoding tricks and forms, etc; it still makes a good fallback position to be able to get rid of the email address. Just a thought, anyway :) h -- --- http://cheshrkat.blogspot.com/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Barclays Bank goes XHTML / CSS
Good news, Barclays just went standards with their new website. Congrats to them! Some work is still needed to fix all the validation errors, but at least they are try! I would off course help them out if they give me a shout. I hope more banks will follow their example soon. http://www.barclays.co.uk/ Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 This e-mail message is confidential and intended solely for the person to whom or the entity to which it is addressed. All the contents and any attachments remain the property of Catics Ltd unless so stated. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from reading, copying, using or disclosing this message to others. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail or by telephoning +27 21 9827805 and thereafter delete the message. Catics Ltd does not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 2005/02/22 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Barclays Bank goes XHTML / CSS
Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Good news, Barclays just went standards with their new website. Congrats to them! Some work is still needed to fix all the validation errors, but at least they are try! I would off course help them out if they give me a shout. I hope more banks will follow their example soon. http://www.barclays.co.uk/ Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 This e-mail message is confidential and intended solely for the person to whom or the entity to which it is addressed. All the contents and any attachments remain the property of Catics Ltd unless so stated. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from reading, copying, using or disclosing this message to others. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail or by telephoning +27 21 9827805 and thereafter delete the message. Catics Ltd does not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. Looking good :-) But there are also some other things that look quite unnecessary like for example these padding9 class divs div class=padding9 ... /div or the footer clearing: br class=clearboth / div class=hrBottomhr //div But apart from that (and the use of the pipe instead of a border or background image in the header menu ;-) ) it really looks good IMO Congratulations :-) MfG, Horst Gutmann ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] systemnames in CSS?
You can get an overview how it works in WestCiv's CSS Tutorial here: http://westciv.com/style_master/academy/css_tutorial/properties/values.html#color -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: alphanumeric.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] systemnames in CSS?
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:30:53 -, designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: color : windowtext; I understand (from my not very useful trawl of Google) that these are systemnames. What's this all about? Would it be useful, and if so, when? I use it for SAMP tag to fake user's window color and font. It works perfectly with Firebar (http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=node/view/7135). It might be useful for custom form gadgets (slider). Are they standards compliant? Yes. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/ui.html#system-colors -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] systemnames in CSS?
It might be useful for custom form gadgets (slider). Or WYSIWYG and similar interfaces. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: alphanumeric.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] support for :after
Hi, If I remember properly css2 was comming out with a :after that was primarily inteded for clearing without having to add markup. What I was wondering is what browsers (if any) support the property. -Alan Trick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] support for :after
Alan Trick wrote: Hi, If I remember properly css2 was comming out with a :after that was primarily inteded for clearing without having to add markup. What I was wondering is what browsers (if any) support the property. -Alan Trick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** According to quirksmode.org Opera7, Safari and Mozilla should support it: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/beforeafter.html ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] name that font
I am not very font savvy but does anyone happen to know what Font is this script font on the nav horizontal section of this page by Imaging, Print and Interactive. http://www.tukaiz.com/home.htm I would be eternally grateful. Thanks. -- Carmelyne Thompson Web Architect/Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.intricately.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] Site review requests and new Brisbane organiser
It's due to the changes made in IE6 and IE7, and the stoppage of IE in Mac's. On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:04:20 +0300, Will Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, I use both PC and Mac. IE 6 on PC and IE 5 on Mac are different in the way they render identical pages. Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Feb 23, 2005, at 7:48 AM, John Horner wrote: Can I add one more thing to the site review thing? I often see people asking for their site to be checked on on a Mac, which doesn't really make much sense if you think about it. I can test it for you in the very latest build of FireFox, but that probably isn't what you mean... There are: * browsers which are pretty much identical on Mac and other platforms -- if you've got a problem with Netscape 4 on PC you've almost certainly got it on Mac too * browsers which only exist on Mac, for instance Safari * browsers which have the same names on Mac and PC, for instance IE5, but which are radically different browsers -- don't assume for a second if it works in IE5 on PC it works in IE5 on a Mac so when you ask people to test a site because apparently it doesn't work on a Mac, it really helps to know what browser is being used by the person reporting the problem. Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 3488 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake Co-Owner of StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk http://www.spikeradio.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site review
Yeah, and will that work with all browsers? On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:30:15 +1100, Johnno Shadbolt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The work is a bit special though because I am using pure XML, somehow turned to XHTML via XSL. I'm not sure that using XML for a complete website is very wise, considering we already have the same sort of features in XHTML coupled with CSS. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake Co-Owner of StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk http://www.spikeradio.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] name that font
oops wrong list sigh my apologies all. please ignore my previous post. sorry admin. -- Carmelyne Thompson Web Architect/Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.intricately.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site review
I got a MYSQL error yesterday, I am not sure if you want to check this. I also don't know if it has been reported yet... -- Anthony Timberlake Co-Owner of StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk http://www.spikeradio.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] systemnames in CSS?
Thank you (all). Does this mean that, if I emonlyem use systemcolors on a site, the site will match the decor of the PC in question, and, appear differently depending upon how the machine is set, or are the system colours 'constant'. In other words, can I make a site be a good match for the users preferences on his machine, globally. Forgive my ignorance on this, but it seems implicit in what has been said. What a great way to make folk like your site's colour scheme if so! :-) Thanks, Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk - Original Message - From: Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] systemnames in CSS? You can get an overview how it works in WestCiv's CSS Tutorial here: http://westciv.com/style_master/academy/css_tutorial/properties/values.html #color -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: alphanumeric.cz | janbrasna.com Stop IE! - http://www.stopie.com/ | http://browsehappy.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] table background images with CSS
I've finally put the site up where it can be seen. Please don't be too
harsh...it's fairly basic, but it serves my client well (it's also
missing a real logo, etc). Anyway, enough excuses. :)
To repeat my question, I have an image of a bass player that I want on
the right side of the table, starting at the top. I have an ID
(layout) for the table itself, I have the following in my CSS:
#layout {
border: 2px solid #000;
background: url('images/bass.png') no-repeat right top;
}
However, it's not showing up. Like I said, I'm sure it's some small
oversight on my part. Thanks for the assistance.
http://www.drzeus.net/clients/stevierays/
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Re: [WSG] table background images with CSS
Hi John However, it's not showing up. Like I said, I'm sure it's some small oversight on my part. Thanks for the assistance. http://www.drzeus.net/clients/stevierays/ Fundamental issue, which was already hinted at by John D Wells: the table has a background image but the cells all have a background colo(u)r that obscures it. It's like taking a photograph as a canvas for a painting. Would you see the photo or the painting? One way to fix the problem (whether you use tables or divs) is to put the image in the foreground, use positioning and z-index (with a transparent gif or PNG so the table cell background colours show through). Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site review
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:16:55 +0100, Pat Boens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to Web Standards and I would like to know whether what I have done so far seems correct for the gurus. Can you have a review of the following site, which I derived from http://www.alistapart.com. The work is a bit special though because I am using pure XML, somehow turned to XHTML via XSL. What I know already is that the site does not look exactly the same in IE and in FireFox. Any recommendation is of course welcome. I know from nothing about what you're doing, or why you're doing it. I would suggest visiting this site for a wealth of information on CSS layouts, and using CSS to layout pages, among other things.. Thanks, Pat Site: http://www.fastwrite.com/vHosts/SimpleGray/index.xml Regards, David -- de gustibus non est disputandum http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] name that font
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:09:30 -0600, Carmelyne Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not very font savvy but does anyone happen to know what Font is this script font on the nav horizontal section of this page by Imaging, Print and Interactive. http://www.tukaiz.com/home.htm I would be eternally grateful. Thanks. See: http://www.myfonts.com/WhatTheFont/ David -- de gustibus non est disputandum http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] table background images with CSS
That's it. Thanks to you and John. Now I have to make it more transparent on that red background. :) ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter on 2/23/2005 3:49 PM Bert Doorn said the following: Hi John However, it's not showing up. Like I said, I'm sure it's some small oversight on my part. Thanks for the assistance. http://www.drzeus.net/clients/stevierays/ Fundamental issue, which was already hinted at by John D Wells: the table has a background image but the cells all have a background colo(u)r that obscures it. It's like taking a photograph as a canvas for a painting. Would you see the photo or the painting? One way to fix the problem (whether you use tables or divs) is to put the image in the foreground, use positioning and z-index (with a transparent gif or PNG so the table cell background colours show through). Regards ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site review built for accessibility
I hope I am not off topic again. Last night a web site I built using CSS and mostly HTML (or is it XML) and a bit of PHP was officially launched. I tried to keep to webstandards and would like some feed back after throwing everything at the site including the kitchen sink. The URL is www.asic.bc.cx. If this is off topic, please forward feedback to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Web page: http://members.shaw.ca/dabneyadfm Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] innerHTML and javascript
I was just wondering if there was any plans to put the innerHTML property into the DOM specs at some point seeing as how it is a very useful property and most browsers support it anyway. -Alan Trick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site review built for accessibility
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:25:37 -0800, InfoForce Services
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hope I am not off topic again. Last night a web site I built using
CSS
and mostly HTML (or is it XML) and a bit of PHP was officially launched.
I tried to keep to webstandards and would like some feed back after
throwing...
Angus,
Nit-picking stuff:
The alt text for the logo is rather long, and is dropping over and
partially covering the content text in FF, with images disabled; and
in Opera it stretches horizontally in one long line into the white
background, making that part unreadable. Perhaps shortening to this might
work: Advocates for Sight Impaired Consumers includes the acronym ASIC
with a white cane.
Also try changing the background color on html {...} to #000.
Might be better to change the font size on the body from 1.2em to 120%. Or
100.01% on the body, and *increase* the font-sizes on the individual
elements. Using em on the body is making IE go a little goofy when zoomed.
There's a couple of little, easy to fix errors on the CSS file.
Nice job.
David
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Re: [WSG] innerHTML and javascript
Hi Alan I doubt it, even though it is probable the fastest method, it goes against the node-centric ways of the W3C DOM. Even though it isn't in the W3C DOM spec, the browser manufacturers have still implemented it, so it'll still work cross browser. Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au From: Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:08:46 -0500 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] innerHTML and javascript I was just wondering if there was any plans to put the innerHTML property into the DOM specs at some point seeing as how it is a very useful property and most browsers support it anyway. -Alan Trick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] [ADMIN] Site review requests and new Brisbane organiser
I use both PC and Mac. IE 6 on PC and IE 5 on Mac are different in the way they render identical pages. That's what I said! Perhaps I didn't express it very well. There is almost no similarity at all between Mac IE and Windows Explorer browsers, except maybe way *way* down there's a bit of old code from Mosaic or something. They have the same name and number, but to all intents and purposes they are entirely different browsers, especially when it comes to scripting, the DOM, and CSS support. Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 3488 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] z-index problem
Hi
I've got a 3-column page with footer:
#header {
position: relative;
background-color: #33ccff;
background-image: url(crest_banner1.jpg);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
height: 100px;
border-bottom: 1px solid #fff;
z-index: 190;
}
#header_text {
font-size: 400%;
margin-left: 80px;
}
#more {
font-size: 90%;
}
#leftcol {
clear: both;
float: left;
width: 30%;
margin-left: 0px;
margin-top: 0px;
margin-right: 10px;
background-color: #fff;
background-image: url(background.jpg);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
padding: 2em 10px 20px 10px;
border-right: 1px solid #0a57a4;
}
#rightcol {
position: absolute;
left: 68%;
top: 130px;
width: 30%;
padding-left: 10px;
padding-right: -10px;
margin-top: -2px;
margin-left: 10px;
z-index: 3;
padding: 2em 10px 10px 10px;
background-color: #fff;
background-image: url(background.jpg);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
border-left: 1px solid #0a57a4;
}
#leftmenu {
font-size: 80%;
}
#content {
margin: 0px 32% 0px 32%;
padding: 10px 10px 10px 10px;
color: #000;
background-color: #fff;
z-index: 100;
}
#hnav {
position: relative;
background-color: #ffa615;
background-image: url(bluebox.gif);
background-repeat: repeat-y;
color: #fff;
height:1.6em;
border-bottom: 1px solid #fff;
z-index: 200;
}
#footer {
z-index: 4;
clear: both;
width: 100%;
margin: -1px 0 0 0;
text-align: center;
font-family: Verdana;
font-size: 11px;
padding: 3px;
border-top: 1px solid #333;
border-bottom: 1px solid #333;
color: #fff;
background-color: #0a57a4;
background-image: url(bar.jpg);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
}
which works ok, excepting that the rightcol sometimes goes over the top of the
footer (ie when text is resized larger), despite having a lower z-index. Any
thoughts why this is happening and how to fix it?
TIA
Robin Gallagher
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