Re: [WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense
Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the
parent of the element via the Holly hack.
What does that mean? You want to give a height:0 to the parent
element? I don't get it...
-Nate
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Ingo Chao wrote:
tee schrieb:
Here is the url:
http://clients.lotusseeds.com/dojoprocedures.html
Another page that is using the #preamble is 'Karate overview'.
There should have a fist image next to 'Dojo' and 'Karate overview', but
it's not there in PC IE 5.5/6.
Sense? We still speak of IE, don't we?
Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the
parent of the element via the Holly hack.
/* \*/
* html #preamble,
* html #supportingText,
* html #explanation,
* html #furtherExplanation,
* html #schools {_height:0; }
/* */
Ingo
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Re: [WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense
Nathan Rutman schrieb: Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the parent of the element via the Holly hack. What does that mean? You want to give a height:0 to the parent element? I don't get it... Holly Bergevin's hack is described in detail here: http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=2cid=C37E0 The intention of this hack is not to give whatever height to the container, but to let the block gain layout. Layout can only be described roughly as a IE-Win proprietary undocumented concept to establish a rectangular rendering entity that is responsible for drawing its own content. Explorer's dimensional bugs are related to the presence or absence of layout: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html Note: I don't know if this hack fixes the bug in tee's page, it does on a local simplified copy, though. You mentioned the dependence on some characters more or less, and I can confirm this. Sometimes these characters more or less shift the wrapping of the content just by some microns, i.e. lines do not end with italicised content, or the wrapping content next to a float leaves a single line blank near to the last bottom line of the float, and so on. Or a tight fitting of the related containers induces more problems like duplicated last characters. Would be interesting to see your minimalized bug test page. Ingo ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense
Oh, that IS interesting! And very helpful. Thanks for sharing! -Nate Ingo Chao wrote: Nathan Rutman schrieb: Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the parent of the element via the Holly hack. What does that mean? You want to give a height:0 to the parent element? I don't get it... Holly Bergevin's hack is described in detail here: http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=2cid=C37E0 The intention of this hack is not to give whatever height to the container, but to let the block gain layout. Layout can only be described roughly as a IE-Win proprietary undocumented concept to establish a rectangular rendering entity that is responsible for drawing its own content. Explorer's dimensional bugs are related to the presence or absence of layout: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html Note: I don't know if this hack fixes the bug in tee's page, it does on a local simplified copy, though. You mentioned the dependence on some characters more or less, and I can confirm this. Sometimes these characters more or less shift the wrapping of the content just by some microns, i.e. lines do not end with italicised content, or the wrapping content next to a float leaves a single line blank near to the last bottom line of the float, and so on. Or a tight fitting of the related containers induces more problems like duplicated last characters. Would be interesting to see your minimalized bug test page. Ingo ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] problems with aligning of thumbnails
It may be because your img elements in the gallery section aren't
closed, and you're using strict XHTML. Try changing the imgs to
img /s and see if that fixes anything.
On 7/6/05, Bruce Gilbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am *trying* to get my thumbnail images to align center to their
respective backgrounds and also to change border color on mouseover
and I am not able to accomplish either one at the moment.
The page in question is http://inspired-evolution.com/Graphics.php
and CSS can be found at http://inspired-evolution.com/Gilbert.css
pertinent CSS is:
dl.gallery
{
border: 1px solid #33;
background-color: #b0c4de;
width: 175px;
float:left;
text-align:center;
margin-left:3em;
}
.gallery dt { font-weight: bold; font-color:#66;padding:0; margin:0}
.gallery dt img
{
border: 1px solid #66;
width: 144px;
height: 144px;
}
.gallery dt img.ams
{
border: 1px solid #66;
width: 144px;
height: 79px;
}
.gallery dt img a:link
{
border: 1px solid #66;
}
.gallery dt img a:visited
{
border: 1px solid #66;
}
.gallery dt img a:hover
{
border: 2px solid #33;
}
.gallery dt img a:active
{
border: 1px solid #33;
}
.gallery dd
{
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
any assistance is greatly appreciative!
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[WSG] IE vs MF ~ Image padding, bullets numbers missing
Hello, I cannot seem to reconcile the following problems. (1) The sponsor placeholder images on the right have 2px bottom gap (which I have specified) in Firefox. In IE, there is more than 2px. (2) Similarly there is an extra slight gap between the logo above the navbar and the actual navbar that doesn't exist if Firefox. (3) The bullets and numbers in the lists show up just fine in Firefox. In IE, they are not to be seen. Help anyone? http://www.neln.org/dev/template.shtml http://www.neln.org/dev/css/styles.css Thanks as always, White Ash ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] are underscores a problem
Drake, Ted C. wrote: But then I thought I should check to see if there would be any problems using an underscore in an id or class. Is it one of the legal characters? Don't know about 'legal', but I have had problems with certain browsers in the past ignoring css rules applied to classes and/or ids with underscores in their names. Early version/s of Safari come to mind; there may be others - and the issue may have been fixed in later releases. If I sound vague, it's because I fixed the problem by never again using underscores in id/class names, so I haven't tested for it lately... HTH N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] are underscores a problem
That said, I was asked if we could modify some id and class names to go from nav1sub1 to nav1_sub1 . I told them my preference would be nav1- sub1. But then I thought I should check to see if there would be any problems using an underscore in an id or class. Is it one of the legal characters? This topic came up a month ago. Read the archived thread for more info. Underscores were illegal in CSS 2.0, but legalized in 2.1 since every browser except Netscape 4 violated that rule. Since 2.1 is a refinement of 2.0, 2.1 completely replaces 2.0 -- that is, there is no such thing as conforming to CSS 2.0, like you could conform to both HTML 4 and XHTML 1. Hyphens are not forbidden, but are frowned on since they caused minor problems with some versions of Javascript interacting with IDs. I don't remember the specifics. If you need to support Netscape Navigator 4.x, do not put underscores in your IDs or class names. -- Ben Curtis : webwright bivia : a personal web studio http://www.bivia.com v: (818) 507-6613 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] are underscores a problem
Does that mean the best way to go fro ID, Class Names, Variables, etc... is interCaps (also known as CamelCase or lowerCamelCase) ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamelCase R - Original Message - From: Ben Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] are underscores a problem That said, I was asked if we could modify some id and class names to go from nav1sub1 to nav1_sub1 . I told them my preference would be nav1- sub1. But then I thought I should check to see if there would be any problems using an underscore in an id or class. Is it one of the legal characters? This topic came up a month ago. Read the archived thread for more info. Underscores were illegal in CSS 2.0, but legalized in 2.1 since every browser except Netscape 4 violated that rule. Since 2.1 is a refinement of 2.0, 2.1 completely replaces 2.0 -- that is, there is no such thing as conforming to CSS 2.0, like you could conform to both HTML 4 and XHTML 1. Hyphens are not forbidden, but are frowned on since they caused minor problems with some versions of Javascript interacting with IDs. I don't remember the specifics. If you need to support Netscape Navigator 4.x, do not put underscores in your IDs or class names. -- Ben Curtis : webwright bivia : a personal web studio http://www.bivia.com v: (818) 507-6613 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] are underscores a problem
Richard Czeiger wrote: Does that mean the best way to go fro ID, Class Names, Variables, etc... is interCaps (also known as CamelCase or lowerCamelCase) ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CamelCase R I've adopted lowerCamelCase for nearly everything of my programming guideline except when dealing with databases (in which I use all lower with typical underscores) and class names in Java. As programmed other languages before CSS. Plus lowerCamelCase makes it easier to read than a something named with a ton of underscores. An example from today's work (non-CSS): errorHandler.invalidPropertyName vs error_handler.invalid_property_name Best, .Peter -- Peter J. Farrell :: Maestro Publishing blog:: http://blog.maestropublishing.com email :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Create boilerplate beans! Check out the Mach-II Bean Creator - free download. http://blog.maestropublishing.com/mach-ii_beaner.htm ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE vs MF ~ Image padding, bullets numbers missing
G'day (1) The sponsor placeholder images on the right have 2px bottom gap (which I have specified) in Firefox. In IE, there is more than 2px. I suggest you make an attempt at standards compliant before (x)html before asking for help on this list. There were 65 validation errors when I looked at the page. However... Removing the whitespace between the div and the link probably will probably fix issue #1. And as it's a list of sponsors so rather than using a div, I'd actually use a ul or ol (and keep all the content of each li on one line in the source). (2) Similarly there is an extra slight gap between the logo above the navbar and the actual navbar that doesn't exist if Firefox. Could be the whitespace issue again, or margin/padding on one of the elements in that part of the layout. (3) The bullets and numbers in the lists show up just fine in Firefox. In IE, they are not to be seen. I'd say the use of list-style-image may be an issue, though I can't be sure. May be better to use a background-image on the li instead and give them padding. http://www.neln.org/dev/template.shtml http://www.neln.org/dev/css/styles.css But I still recommend fixing the 65 validation errors... Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense
Hi, Ingo, thank you very much. IT WORKS!
Sense? We still speak of IE, don't we?
Well, the reason I thought it wasn't make sense was because I grouped all h3
together therefore the background image should either show or not, to all.
It just proves again, I have so much to learn.
tee
Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the parent
of the element via the Holly hack.
/* \*/
* html #preamble,
* html #supportingText,
* html #explanation,
* html #furtherExplanation,
* html #schools {_height:0; }
/* */
Ingo
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Re: [WSG] Strange IE behavious that doesn't make sense
Hi Nathan, thanks for bringing up the question to Ingo, otherwise I might just happily copy his code without asking why. Now I am going back to read the article second time. tee Nathan Rutman schrieb: Whenever a background is disappearing, try to give layout to the parent of the element via the Holly hack. What does that mean? You want to give a height:0 to the parent element? I don't get it... Holly Bergevin's hack is described in detail here: http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=2cid=C37E0 The intention of this hack is not to give whatever height to the container, but to let the block gain layout. Layout can only be described roughly as a IE-Win proprietary undocumented concept to establish a rectangular rendering entity that is responsible for drawing its own content. Explorer's dimensional bugs are related to the presence or absence of layout: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer.html Note: I don't know if this hack fixes the bug in tee's page, it does on a local simplified copy, though. You mentioned the dependence on some characters more or less, and I can confirm this. Sometimes these characters more or less shift the wrapping of the content just by some microns, i.e. lines do not end with italicised content, or the wrapping content next to a float leaves a single line blank near to the last bottom line of the float, and so on. Or a tight fitting of the related containers induces more problems like duplicated last characters. Would be interesting to see your minimalized bug test page. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
